Mahinmi and Scola to meet

[MannyIsGod]

Has Mr. Body ever posted a legit point? You know when you're arguing big men with Ploto on your side something is wrong. Very wrong.

[timvp]

Timvp, You admitted that Garbajosa plays barely 25% of his time at SF, the rest plays PF or even Center at Toronto, and he does pretty well, being rookie of the month lately (even not being a great rebounder).....

I said less than 25%.

And the EC rookie of the month has more to do with all the other rookies sucking and Garbajosa being older than it does to him actually being good. As a whole this season, Garbajosa has sucked.

Do you consider Garbajosa would do worse¨than Oberto or Elson at Spurs for going aside Tim?

Yes, much worse. He's a bad shooter and can't rebound. The Spurs are a bad rebounding team as it is and Garbajosa would make them way worse.

Why then so many aversion for a player 3 year younger, more fundamentally sound, stronger, faster and more athletic (Garbo not even in his most wet dreams would have gotten the HUGE block Scola got on Jermaine, for just one small example), that is likeley to be 1/2 inch taller?

My aversion is making him the highest paid second rounder in NBA history. If he'd come over for a V-Span type deal, I'd be all for it.

Also, why a legit 6'9" would be 'undersized' for NBA PF? what is the % of NBA PF taller than that?

Most scouts say Scola is closer to 6-foot-8, has short arms and isn't much of an athlete. That makes him undersized. You can be 6-foot-8 and play power forward, but you usually either need to have a huge wingspan or be a super athlete. Scola doesn't fit into either category.

Will u answer Timvp?

Yes.

[ArgSpursFan]

Charles Barkley was a PF for many years ,and he is 6.8.
I belive in Scola.
Charles Smith was 6.9 and He was a of a player on his prime years in NY.

[Bruno]

BTW, being rookie of the month in December isn't exactly the sign of being a good player. I remember two years ago a player who has won it (in the west) and ...

[MannyIsGod]

Charles Barkley was a PF for many years ,and he is 6.8.
I belive in Scola.
Charles Smith was 6.9 and He was a of a player on his prime years in NY.

@ using a Charles Smith comparison to try to convince Spurs fans. I think you just made Timvp's point for him.

And Scola is nowhere near the talent Barkely was.

[AFBlue]

WHO IS THE BETTER OPTION FOR NEXT YEAR AND AT WHAT COST?!?!?! I still haven't heard anything on this. Roll the dice on Scola...I sincerely doubt he's equal or worse than Elson/Oberto and any PF the Spurs might be able to pick up in the offseason.

[JPB]

He would definitely be an upgrade. Now that's a question of money.

[timvp]

WHO IS THE BETTER OPTION FOR NEXT YEAR AND AT WHAT COST?!?!?! I still haven't heard anything on this. Roll the dice on Scola...I sincerely doubt he's equal or worse than Elson/Oberto and any PF the Spurs might be able to pick up in the offseason.

We'll have to wait to see what options are picked up and whether any players are bought out. It's tough to tell in February what players are going to be available in August.

For the money Scola wanted, the Spurs could have had players like Reggie Evans and Trevor Ariza this summer. They decided instead to go with Francisco Elson.

Next summer if there is nothing available on the market and players like Mahinmi and Butler don't look promising, I'd be all for going after Scola. But I'm not going to pull a Mr. Body and say the Spurs should offer a blank check to any international bigman who has a highlight reel made in his honor.

[Dartherus]

Most scouts say Scola is closer to 6-foot-8, has short arms and isn't much of an athlete.

Most scouts? who? what I say if what I personally saw listed in printed paper after training camps. Another way to see is seeing him IN LIVE ACTION, side by side with Garbajosa, he seemed slightly taller, side by side with Oberto, he seemed the same size, and his arms are long, I'd bet, from seeing him in court, that his wingpan is claerly bigger than his height....

Again, not trying to discredit the scouts who could have said that he's 6'8", just posting my PERSONAL experience of seeing him in videos and in live games. You can also confirm that for yourself watching the games (that he isn't undersized at all and he IS atheltic, depsite in euro games he DOESN'T USE athleticism a lot, but it's because of his style, not because he can't), instead of relying in a written report.

[AFBlue]

We'll have to wait to see what options are picked up and whether any players are bought out. It's tough to tell in February what players are going to be available in August.

For the money Scola wanted, the Spurs could have had players like Reggie Evans and Trevor Ariza this summer. They decided instead to go with Francisco Elson.

Next summer if there is nothing available on the market and players like Mahinmi and Butler don't look promising, I'd be all for going after Scola. But I'm not going to pull a Mr. Body and say the Spurs should offer a blank check to any international bigman who has a highlight reel made in his honor.

It's not that tough...there's a listing of free agents and potential free agents on ESPNs website....a team-by-team breakdown. I understand that we're unsure of the "restricted" or "option" players, but I'd be willing to say that none of them will match up.

I'm also for the Spurs being fiscally responsible, but the $5.2M should get spent with the real problems the Spurs have, and the bigger issue is that the Spurs would practically give Scola (who COULD be the starting PF next year) to another team, because he has little to no trade value and it only gets lower as he gets older...

[Kori Ellis]

You can also confirm that for yourself watching the games (that he isn't undersized at all and he IS atheltic, depsite in euro games he DOESN'T USE athleticism a lot, but it's because of his style, not because he can't), instead of relying in a written report.

Just FYI, we've all watched Scola play. Tons of Euroleague games are broadcast here.

[ArgSpursFan]

@ using a Charles Smith comparison to try to convince Spurs fans. I think you just made Timvp's point for him.

And Scola is nowhere near the talent Barkely was.

you´re right,He may be able to do more for the spurs tham what Charles Smith did.
And by the way,who honestly though that manu was gonna become what he is for the spurs when they drafted him in 1999??
So stop the Scola´s downplaying thread and get more real dude.
ohh, I forgot we have Matt Bonner now,we don´t need Scola.hahahaha

[AFBlue]

We'll have to wait to see what options are picked up and whether any players are bought out. It's tough to tell in February what players are going to be available in August.

For the money Scola wanted, the Spurs could have had players like Reggie Evans and Trevor Ariza this summer. They decided instead to go with Francisco Elson.

Next summer if there is nothing available on the market and players like Mahinmi and Butler don't look promising, I'd be all for going after Scola. But I'm not going to pull a Mr. Body and say the Spurs should offer a blank check to any international bigman who has a highlight reel made in his honor.

Here, I'll help you out...

I took the liberty of editing out all non-bigs...

Updated: Feb. 2, 2007, 9:59 AM ET
2007 NBA Free Agent List

ESPN.com has the complete list of free agents, along with players who have various contract provisions to guarantee all or part of their salary for next season.

Key: ETO = Early Termination Option, P = Player Option, T = Team Option

Atlanta Hawks

Restricted: Esteban Batista

Unrestricted: Stanislav Medvedenko

Boston Celtics

Unrestricted: Michael Olowokandi

Charlotte Bobcats

Restricted: Ryan Hollins (T)

Unrestricted: Primoz Brezec (P), Jake Voskuhl (P)
Chicago Bulls

Restricted: Martynas Andriuskevicius, Andres Nocioni, Mike Sweetney

Unrestricted: Malik Allen, P.J. Brown

Cleveland Cavaliers

Restricted: Anderson Varejao

Unrestricted: Scot Pollard

Dallas Mavericks

Restricted: None

Unrestricted: Austin Croshere, DeSagana Diop (T),

Denver Nuggets

Restricted: None

Unrestricted: Eduardo Najera (ETO), Jamal Sampson

Detroit Pistons

Unrestricted: Dale Davis, Antonio McDyess (P), Chris Webber

Golden State Warriors

Restricted: Zarko Cabarkapa,

Houston Rockets

Unrestricted: Dikembe Mutombo

Indiana Pacers

Restricted: Maceo Baston (P)

Los Angeles Lakers

Unrestricted: Chris Mihm

Memphis Grizzlies

Restricted: Lawrence Roberts

Unrestricted: Jake Tsakalidis

Miami Heat

Restricted: Earl Barron

Unrestricted: Michael Doleac (P),

Milwaukee Bucks

Unrestricted: Brian Skinner (T)

Minnesota Timberwolves

Unrestricted: Eddie Griffin (P)

New Jersey Nets

Unrestricted: Mikki Moore

New Orleans Hornets

Restricted: Brandon Bass

Unrestricted: Marc Jackson

New York Knicks

Unrestricted: Kelvin Cato, Malik Rose (ETO)

Orlando Magic

Restricted: Darko Milicic

Unrestricted: Pat Garrity (ETO), Bo Outlaw

Philadelphia 76ers

Restricted: Shavlik Randolph (P)

Unrestricted: Alan Henderson, Joe Smith

Phoenix Suns

Restricted: Pat Burke

Unrestricted: Sean Marks, Kurt Thomas (P)

Portland Trail Blazers

Unrestricted: Jamaal Magloire,

Sacramento Kings

Unrestricted: Vitaly Potapenko, Corliss Williamson

Seattle SuperSonics

Unrestricted: Danny Fortson

Toronto Raptors

Restricted: Pape Sow

Utah Jazz

Unrestricted: Rafael Araujo

Washington Wizards



Unrestricted: Calvin Booth, Michael Ruffin

[Mr. Body]

But I'm not going to pull a Mr. Body and say the Spurs should offer a blank check to any international bigman who has a highlight reel made in his honor.

When did I say this? Don't tell me you've gone AHF-level re ed all a sudden. Classic. Quote the myths of a fuzzy-headed mental defective. Very smart, timvp. You've gotten completely obliterated in this thread.

[timvp]

When did I say this? Don't tell me you've gone AHF-level re ed all a sudden. Classic. Quote the myths of a fuzzy-headed mental defective. Very smart, timvp. You've gotten completely obliterated in this thread.

Says the guy who gets so owned he can't even reply to my posts.

You wanted to give big money to Javtokas. You want to give big money to Scola. Add it up.

The only people agreeing with your warped views are Argentina homers and Raptor fans who used to be Spurs fans until the Spurs let traded Rasho.

[T Park]

[ChumpDumper]

I say invite Scola and Fizer to summer league and let God sort it out.

[AFBlue]

The only people agreeing with your warped views are Argentina homers and Raptor fans who used to be Spurs fans until the Spurs let traded Rasho.

Umm...I'm neither, but I agree with Mr. Body more for lack of options than my insistance that Scola will be dominant.

Did you check the list?

Varajao peaked my interest, but God only knows how much the Spurs would have to overpay for an energy guy...since he's restricted. See anyone else?

[Mr. Body]

Says the guy who gets so owned he can't even reply to my posts.

You wanted to give big money to Javtokas. You want to give big money to Scola. Add it up.

The only people agreeing with your warped views are Argentina homers and Raptor fans who used to be Spurs fans until the Spurs let traded Rasho.

When didn't I reply to your posts? If I missed something, it might be because I have a life.

I advocated about $2M for Javtokas at the most. This was during the risky move for both Elson and Butler. I didn't think Elson was that good and Javtokas was prepared to play for us. I did think Butler was good. Was wrong about that. The 'big money' I'm advocating for Scola is $3M/yr for 3 years. That's hardly big money. It was AHF who started this 'blank check' business which you've apparently picked up like an STD.

I think you've wrapped your puffy lips around AHF's flaccid one too many times, or he's contained your tiny penis beneath the huge sheafs of his flabby ass one too many times while discussing your bizarre fantasies about what happens on this board. I want none of it. You're usually a smart guy, but you're being incredibly stupid here.

So kiss my ass. I'll see you on some other thread where you're not an idiot.

[timvp]

When didn't I reply to your posts?

Try reading the thread. Maybe then the forum wouldn't have to continually keep correcting you.

It gets old.

If I missed something, it might be because I have a life.

So much of a life that you have over 500 posts on the 12th man of some scrub Greek team.

I advocated about $2M for Javtokas at the most.

BS.

You had a melt down and were whining for weeks that the Spurs should have given Javtokas the money they gave Elson. All because you watched a highlight reel.

So not only do you want the Spurs to make Scola the highest paid second round draft pick of all time, you want the Spurs to make Javtokas the second highest paid second round draft pick of all time.

There's a reason why everything you post about never happens.

This was during the risky move for both Elson and Butler. I didn't think Elson was that good and Javtokas was prepared to play for us. I did think Butler was good. Was wrong about that.

More classic flip flopping. You loved Javtokas. Now that he's not playing, you act like he doesn't exist.

You were high on Butler. Now that he's not playing, you act like he sucks.

Grow a spine. If you actually have a take somewhere in your posts, stick by it.

The 'big money' I'm advocating for Scola is $3M/yr for 3 years. That's hardly big money.

Again, that'd make him the highest paid second round draft pick of all-time.

It was AHF who started this 'blank check' business which you've apparently picked up like an STD.

Must have been a lucky guess, because I avoid reading your posts when you enter meltdown stage. Then again, you are the main advocate for making Scola and Javtokas the two richest second round draft picks ever.

When in reality, Scola is worth in the neighborhood of 3-years, $6M and Javtokas is worth a minimum contract. The Spurs obviously agree with my stance. I don't know anyone who agrees with your take.

I think you've wrapped your puffy lips around AHF's flaccid one too many times, or he's contained your tiny penis beneath the huge sheafs of his flabby ass one too many times while discussing your bizarre fantasies about what happens on this board.

sexual meltdown in progress. You're the one coming in here trying to say I'm owned when Garbajosa shot 32% in his breakout month. I say the words "blank check" and you breakout in some hardcore gay porn fantasy.

Relax.

I want none of it. You're usually a smart guy, but you're being incredibly stupid here.

So kiss my ass. I'll see you on some other thread where you're not an idiot.

I'm being incredibly stupid because I agree with the Spurs about not making Scola and Javtokas the two richest second round draft picks in NBA history? You fail to even grasp the concept that there is a difference between the market value of a second round pick and a free agent, so you aren't going to see where the Spurs are coming from unless you do.

When the subject isn't international bigmen, you usually have pretty good points. But you might want to brush up on the facts in this thread if you want to bring an actual take.

Thanks.

[SequSpur]

i'm tired of people talking to sequ and then turn around and steal sequ's philosophy...

pisses me off.

[Josepatches]

International players like Scola would never be second round of the draft if they did not have contract with european teams.This contract does that some FIBA players are second round because NBA teams cannot incorporate them to the roster until they finish his contract or they can pay to the teams where they play enough money to make these teams let them go to the NBA.If you want them and they are free then you have to pay by their talent,not the position of the draft because some Euro teams can offer him two much money too.

[Pugglekicker_21]

i would really like to see scola in a spurs uni, buts its not happening for a while.

[Josepatches]

you´re right,He may be able to do more for the spurs tham what Charles Smith did.

Charles Smith is playing pretty good in Europe and I'm pretty sure that he could play in the NBA but...It's the same than Anthony Parker.He didn't have many chances to play in his first years in the NBA and he went to Europa.Now he is an important player in Toronto.There are many US players in Europe (where they are stars) with enough talent to play in the NBA but NBA teams choose european players worse than them to play in the NBA.Amazing but we are lucky here

And by the way,who honestly though that manu was gonna become what he is for the spurs when they drafted him in 1999??

I did.Even I thought that he could be more important than what he was in his first years

[ArgSpursFan]

International players like Scola would never be second round of the draft if they did not have contract with european teams.This contract does that some FIBA players are second round because NBA teams cannot incorporate them to the roster until they finish his contract or they can pay to the teams where they play enough money to make these teams let them go to the NBA.If you want them and they are free then you have to pay by their talent,not the position of the draft because some Euro teams can offer him two much money too.

Finally,Somebody with some commun sence in this board.
(Besides me)