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I would bet that one of the local TV stations will have something at 10. You guys down in SA let us know if they do, OK?
I see what he's saying, but there wasn't anything occurring on the floor at that time to suggest that tempers were flaring or that a fight might occur if Tim acted out.
The Terry/Bowen thing happened much earlier in the 3rd and there wasn't anything brewing after that.
I would bet that one of the local TV stations will have something at 10. You guys down in SA let us know if they do, OK?
They just showed a breif recap of it for the first time on ESPN. No post game quotes or anything. Just the fact that Duncan got ejected and then some 4th quarter highlights. Probably will be all over the news tommorow.
They showed the replay of Duncan emphatically yelling NO! to Mic e Tofoya as he was leaving with security...very weird to see it again. This was very un-Duncan like. And now that I just saw the replays again, it looks even more ridiculous that he was ejected. First off, the game was still going on in progress and Crawford was simply looking at the bench almost waiting for a Duncan reaction and excuse to toss him, it seemed.
My take is, Joe was saying, "Do you want a fight?" i.e. do you want to keep this imbroglio going. From what Duncan said after the game, his answer seems to be "yes".
Anyway, I guess I'll re-post my theory about how this went down, just for your collective amusement:
Duncan is out there constantly whining to the refs all game, like he always does--but not being a dummy, he's careful to stay away from Hair Trigger Joe. To Crawford, who's a big ref's rights guy, this probably looks like Duncan is trying to bully the younger officials into free calls.
So, in the 4th quarter, Joe finally tells Duncan to STFU. Duncan goes to the bench for his rest, but still has a few words for one of the other officials as said official runs by him...and Joe catches him doing it. Technical #1--"I told you to STFU".
Now, Duncan is pissed off, because he's too good to be treated like that (see Bowen--"as a former MVP..."). So, he figures he'll go after Joe and try and get him in trouble. Duncan already got T'd for talking from the bench, so he figures he'll just laugh at Joe when Joe can hear it--no way Joe can (or is supposed to) throw him out over that, right? Obviously, Joe has other ideas...and there's Technical #2.
Cuban's blog will call for Duncan to be suspended for the rest of the year.
ESPN will be okay with that.
you are correct, referees are there to officiate the game, not dictate its outcome, it shows some 'sort' of bias. No matter who is on the receiving end of the bias, it was bad officiating. Teams need to be allowed to play, not get bailed out. No matter what team is on the receiving side of the bail out.
Hi Guys,
Missed the game, but saw a thread on lakersground.net about this http://forums.lakersground.net/viewt...40347&start=50
and thought I would post my two cents.
Joey Crawford is corrupt and a criminal. He has been a fixture at #1 on the LakerLanny Circle of 7 Fixer list for many years now.
Simply put, he has personal agendas (or even league agendas, who knows) and he executes them during the game.
On National TV or big games, he is even worse with his "act" which involves essentially deciding which team/players he wants to succeed and then making sure it happens through the use of one-sided, biased "officiating"
Joey Crawford and Stern's other group of fixers (and if you don't think the NBA is fixed, you are very naive) is why the general sporting public is rapidly losing interest in the American Professional version of the sport.
The NBA's #1 problem is the league office and officials. They need to fix that or run the risk of becoming as marginalized as hockey within 10 years.
Seriously, I've never seen anything like this in NBA history. Unless you are talking about a repeat offender (Rasheed, Vernon Maxwell, etc.), this kind of thing never happens.
I don't know if it was mentioned anywhere in this thread, but the thing that started it all was when Crawford blew an OBVIOUS foul on Dirk when Duncan got hit on a jumper. That pissed Duncan off and started the ball rolling.
But bottomline is Crawford was totally out of line. Either technical foul could have been called on the Spurs bench instead of Duncan. He could have given Duncan a warning before throwing him out.
Although really, it shouldn't have even been a warning. Laughing and clapping on the bench sarcastically isn't a technical foul in Game 3 of the regular season for Beno Udrih, much less Tim Duncan in a game with playoff ramifications.
Crawford went overboard and I hope the NBA takes a look at it. I'd be saying the same thing if it happened to Dirk or whoever else on the Mavs. You don't decide a game in the third quarter because your feelings got hurt.
I think what happened was Crawford blew three calls in a row (the one on Dirk and the two that led to free throws at the other end), Crawford knew he blew the calls and just lost control. But he should be held accountable to his actions.
If Crawford refs a Spurs playoff game, that'll be a travesty for everyone involved. It'd be the main plot of the game and Crawford and Duncan would both be put into no-win situations.
A couple questions for those of you who monitor the who's who of refs more closely than I do:
1) What Spurs games did Crawford ref in the playoffs last year? Any other notable ones from year's past? I remember some horrible calls dating back to the Jazz series back in the day, but can't remember exactly which games he reffed in recent times.
2) I know Cuban keeps track of the Mavs' record with particular refs on the court. Like, for example, Dan Crawford supposedly is the Mav Killer -- Dallas is supposedly like 1-12 with Dan Crawford reffing a game. Anyone know if the Mavs are exceptionally good with the other Crawford on the court?
Just curious
I have a feeling that this will end a lot worse for Joey than it will for Tim. Considering Tim has only been ejected from 2 games in his career and Crawfords statements don't seem to be validated by video evidence. If they find proof that he did in fact say "do you want to fight?" This could end very bad for him.
One report (from a news site, not the forum), said Joey Crawford refereed the last Spurs loss, and T'ed up Tim during that game too.
The NBA has a major loose cannon in Joey Crawford.
As of 2005, they were 5-3 in the playoffs when Joe Crawford officiated:2) I know Cuban keeps track of the Mavs' record with particular refs on the court. Like, for example, Dan Crawford supposedly is the Mav Killer -- Dallas is supposedly like 1-12 with Dan Crawford reffing a game. Anyone know if the Mavs are exceptionally good with the other Crawford on the court?
Just curious
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Yea I saw that some where else. I also heard this on NBA radio on Sirius. It sounds like there is somthing about Tim that Joey just does not like.
In the 2006 playoffs, Crawford had Game 5 of the Sacramento series (along with Derrick Stafford and James Capers) and Game 3 of the Dallas series (along with Bill Spooner and Joe Derosa).A couple questions for those of you who monitor the who's who of refs more closely than I do:
1) What Spurs games did Crawford ref in the playoffs last year? Any other notable ones from year's past? I remember some horrible calls dating back to the Jazz series back in the day, but can't remember exactly which games he reffed in recent times.
2) I know Cuban keeps track of the Mavs' record with particular refs on the court. Like, for example, Dan Crawford supposedly is the Mav Killer -- Dallas is supposedly like 1-12 with Dan Crawford reffing a game. Anyone know if the Mavs are exceptionally good with the other Crawford on the court?
Just curious
Going backwards a bit, I can't remember Joey Crawford ever really being a problem for the Spurs in the playoffs.
I'll look at question #2.
Personally I think this has more to do with a certain refs style giving breaks to teams that play a certain way. For example I would bet the spurs have a pretty good record with Dan Crawford reffing their games. I also think that despite todays event the spurs usually have pretty good luck when joey crawford is reffing their games.
It was actually Joey Crawford who called that foul on Duncan at the end to foul him out when Dirk stepped on his foot.
Kori, they didn't even get rid of Javie or the tax fraud guys.
Any other league would have bounced them for sure. Jake O'Donnell (former fixer ref) must have been a mass murderer to actually get fired.
Joey Crawford is completely untouchable. Anyone who watched him, Salvatore, Bavetta, Nies and Fryer fix the Lakers-Detroit championship series knows that.
You remember that series right? The NBA finals series where the Lakers were called for phantom jump ball violations to open the first FOUR (not one, not two....FOUR) games of the series?
The NBA was already obviously rigged before that point, but that is when they stopped bothering to even pretend otherwise.
Duncan will get a huge fine and maybe a 1 game suspension, but not for a playoff game, don't worry. But Joey is laughing right now, I guarantee you that......he is clearly so tied in with Stern's antics as to be completely untouchable. The Gnome could bring the whole thing crashing down.
Why am I not shocked that the three refs the Mavs won the most games with are J. Crawford, Javie and Salvatore?
Refs that take the focus off the basketball court and put teams on the line or decide that they are bigger than the game. Too bad the NBA can't just have three Dan Crawfords ref every game.
Yea Joey may not like tim but the spurs seem to have a good record with him reffing their games, specifically during the playoffs.
Easy trivia question: Who is Joey Crawford's father?
Joey Crawford officiated Game 5 in SA against Sacramento and Game 3 in Dallas last year.
Too slow
The Indiana game (where we lost by 1). Crawford refereed that game and T'd up Tim as well. Go figure!
Didn't the league rescind Duncan's ejection the next day because they said he wasn't saying anything to KG? Before watching the play I originally thought that Pop had gone CIA and told Duncan to get thrown out. I've never seen anything so inexplicable from an NBA ref. Ever. Nothing else comes close. The dude ed up the calls, got his ass in the air about it, took it out on someone else, and then lied about it afterward. I'll be really interested in seeing what the league does about this.
Ah, perhaps the worst reffed game in Spurs history. Dirk fouling Duncan out by stepping on his foot.
Mavs were 4-1 in 2006 playoff games with Joey Crawford officiating. The one loss was Game 5 of the Finals, which ended with Salvatore's call that put Wade on the line late.
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