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Yes, I was part of the FREE JACK movement.
I remember that thread as I was at SR for that entiree season....I remember the Free Stephen Jackson thread...but I don't remember MB being on board with it(or you being against it for that matter)...that thread should still be around somehwere @ ***** ******. It's a shame if that historic thread has been lost to server change.
I lost that argument handily. That might have been the first and only time an argument was led by MB and GW being on the same page. I should have known that was a bad omen and to stay away . . .
And it even lead to a le...
Speaking of which...notice how GW has gotten scarce again now that the Spurs are back in the groove? That's lame on his part...he's a behindrunner.
Yes, I was part of the FREE JACK movement.
No, I meant the Scola tangent was off topic, not anything you said.Sorry timvp...I'll stay out of here now and let you guys stay on topic.
But yeah, timvp vs. ChumpDumper is somewhat rare these days because it's tough to come out on top versus CD. CD will either stop answering your questions or will muck up your own words until you end up arguing with yourself. And then you lose.
I don't recommend any poster trying it.
It's wonderful when a new poster tries to get into it with Chump.
I feel bad for them, they just have no idea what they walked into.
As far as serious debates go, I don't dare tread into it with any of you.
Your basketball knowledge is impressive and your ability to put it in words clearly is incredible.
I'm content to read and learn.
(Unless it's about Duncan. I get stronger when he's the topic.)
MB and GW were the main two who not only wanted Jackson to play but also start. I thought it was a bit crazy because Jackson had just come off a summer league where he shot like 30% and a preseason where he shot like 25%. Plus early in that season, whenever Jackson did good, the Spurs would lose. I wanted Jackson to play, I just didn't think he should start when the 2002-03 season began.
Then that eight three-pointers performance against the Lakers happened and Jackson and the Spurs were never the same that year. Putting Jackson into the starting lineup was probably the riskiest thing Pop ever did as coach ... and probably ended up being the smartest thing he ever did. The Spurs don't win that championship without that coaching move.
ROFL. I was thinking about that the other day. The day that the Spurs are no longer serious le contenders will be like Christmas morning for GW. He'll love that time.
Pre-99 and then after the Laker meltdown in 2001 was when GW was at his prime.
Was it really that risky when the alternative was freaking Smitty?
I mean if you weren't on the Jackwagon you were on the Smittywagon...because Manu was gimpy.
I didn't ever want to see Smitty on the court again after the 02 post season...
Really Riley?!?
D'yall really see the spurs carrying 4 rooks in a season where they expect to be taking another championship shot? They are already stuck into 3 Rook equivalents - Mahinmi, Splitter, 2008 1st round pick...
They can of course, make trades, but for what? and Exactly how?
Sanikidze? How can you get excited about a guy who's spent half his life in intensive care? The bubble boy has a better chance of making it through a season with the Spurs.
Yet he's 21 years old and has offensive skill. Oh, and he plays the 3. I'm not "excited" per se; Manu was a much different story. But get him healthy and let's see what he can do this summer. If there's promise, he can be a Toro for a year. If not, oh well.
I can't see him as part of our 15 man roster next year. I think the best thing that we could do with him would be to get him over here to play as a straight D-league player, and shuffle him onto the Toro's roster with the same kind of scam that was pulled with Williams. He can't be making a lot more than what the D-league would pay in that Georgian league. And I hope that he would get a lot more development out of it, not to mention getting acculturated to the US...
timvp and chump have missed the REAL reason why the Spurs traded Scola, and it wasn't to dump salary . . .
It trade for Billy Spanoulis! He top basket player! He tell Parker on dinner he want Spurs! Billy are greek Nash!
it might sound crazy that people were on the Smith bandwagon, but people tended even then to trust Pop, and if Pop wanted Smith to start . . .
It's still pretty much the same way. From what I've observed Pop doesn't give opportunities to young/new players unless forced to, and maybe not even then (Oberto in 06 after 1 half, any number of players since).
Parker is the lone exception, and he was playing behind a first year starter at point that Pop wasn't thrilled with anyway.
Ime Udoka says o. Hes taking Finleys minutes.
That's not what I remember...I remember Smitty getting piled on by the entire Spurs nation for his performance against LA. Steve Smith got eviscerated by Spurfan and it was a taint that stayed on him for the rest of hid career...despite the fact that he was one of the classiest players to ever put on a Spurs uniform.
It's still pretty much the same way. From what I've observed Pop doesn't give opportunities to young/new players unless forced to, and maybe not even then (Oberto in 06 after 1 half, any number of players since).
From what I have observed, and in spite of every thing pop claims to say about D...he really doesn't like that guys that get doubled off of and miss their shots...he'll stay with them a little while but if they cost us a series and make Duncan's job harder they lose favor with Pop real quick. At least as a go to guy....
Parker is the lone exception, and he was playing behind a first year starter at point that Pop wasn't thrilled with anyway.
I think Pop really didn't have any choice but to play Parker...
And what choice he did have was taken out of his hands by the fact that AD didn't want to be the starting PG.
Manu Ginobili was the alternative. Nobody wanted Smitty but Ginobili was viewed as the savior AKA White Kobe. MB and GW insisted SJax should start ...... and they were right.
Manu was gimpy but he was still playing early in the year. He even got some starts early in the year.
The easy move for Pop would have been to start Smitty. Another easy route would have been to start Manu. Putting Ferry at SF and moving Bowen to SG was also possible. Going with the crazy azz SJax as a starter was going out on a huge limb at the time .... especially since SJax hadn't done anything on any level since the beginning of his tenure with the Nets. Even then, he wasn't that good.
I was part of the FREE JACK campaign, however I was against the idea of starting Jack going into the season.
Yeah, Smitty was less popular with Spurs fans than Beno was. Much, much less popular.
A little update.
Sanikidze has finished his season in Georgia.
He played 13 games and averaged 21.2 pts and 12.2 rbds.
I don't know if he will play again before Spurs' summer leagues in two and a half months.
he would seem like a perfect candidate for a spot on the Toros
Yeah, no one want to be contracted with HITA.........Yeah, Smitty was less popular with Spurs fans than Beno was. Much, much less popular.
That's not many games played when he was supposed to be stashed overseas to get a lot of playing time. Even if he was hurt (again), this last year must be considered a waste of time in his development.
IMHO, if they don't bring him over for summer league, he's done as a Spur prospect. If he comes and isn't dominant, he's done as well.
This guy has talent, I saw him in person at the RMR. Slasher, good quickness, jumping ability, good stroke. He is NBA material.
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According to this interview, he's going to be playing on our Summer team and is looking to join the Spurs soon.
http://www.eurobasket.com/geo/geo.as...o=1&NewsType=3
Interview with Viktor Sanikidze
by Levan Mikeladze - Feb 12, 2008
Viktor Sanikidze (born April 1st, 1986 in Republic of Georgia) is a Georgian professional basketball player who plays the small forward position. He was selected with the 42nd pick of the 2004 NBA Draft by the Atlanta Hawks, but his rights were traded the same day to the San Antonio Spurs for a 2005 second-round draft pick and cash considerations. The Spurs still hold his NBA rights, but they have yet to sign him to a contract, and he continues to play overseas.
Viktor Sanikidze (born April 1st, 1986 in Republic of Georgia) is a Georgian professional basketball player who plays the small forward position.
He was selected with the 42nd pick of the 2004 NBA Draft by the Atlanta Hawks, but his rights were traded the same day to the San Antonio Spurs for a 2005 second-round draft pick and cash considerations. The Spurs still hold his NBA rights, but they have yet to sign him to a contract, and he continues to play overseas. In July 2007, Sanikidze played for San Antonio during the Rocky Mountain Revue, scoring 15 points in a Spurs loss to the Philadelphia 76ers.
In 2001-2002, Sanikidze attended and played basketball for Globe Tech JC in New York City. In the 2002-2003 seasons, he returned home to Georgia to play for Academy Tbilisi, an amateur basketball team in his hometown. In 2003 he signed with JDA Dijon Bourgogne in the French Pro A League. He played three seasons in France (2003/2004, 2004/2005 and 2005/2006). He signed with MMT Estudiantes Madrid in the Spanish ACB in 2006/2007. Currently is not playing in any team.
Eurobasket Georgia made an interview with Viktor Sanikidze on February 12th in Tbilisi. So, read on!
Q. Viktor, first question I want to ask you is pretty rhetorical and I need your short answer. Let me ask you what are you doing in Tbilisi?
V.S. I had rehabilitation period for two months. Now I started practice with Dinamo Tbilisi and I am waiting for the final answer of physicians to confirm that I am fully recovered.
Q. How seriously you were injured?
V.S. Pretty seriously. I went in Germany for try out and on one practice I didn't feel good on my knee. So, I checked my knee with German doctors and they told me to stop playing, otherwise I would risk my career.
Q. There are many gossips about your current team. You played this round in Georgian League with Dinamo Tbilisi. Koln 99ers got bankrupted and you left from Estudiantes as well. Will Spurs Free Agent player end current season in Georgian League?
V.S. I don't think so because for me is better to try my forces in any better teams in Europe, just to end up this season.
Q. Last year Georgian compassionates were mad about your brief playing minutes in Estudiantes. How you comment on that?
V.S. I didn't like that too. (Smiles) There were many reasons that I was not playing much. First of all I arrived in Spain later because I was called in Georgian National Team. Than I talked with general manager and assistant coach and they didn't know why I was not playing. I thought that I was not good on practices but nobody mentioned that to me. Afterwards team management fired a head coach and assistant coach went up to the head coach position. He gave me more minutes than. Later I had a surgery on my appendix.
Q. Your brief comment on qualification games with National Team?
V.S. First of all I liked a coach. He trusted me and he let me play pretty much. I am always proud to play in my National Team. We disappointed every Georgian and that is our fault. We had not to lose against National Team of Iceland. There were many little things on that game but I don't even want to remind that. I really think that Georgia deserves Division A. and we will make it happen.
RE: Like you did it on U20 right?
V.S. (Smiles) Exactly.
Q. 42nd overall pick in 2004, MVP of U20 European Championships, key player of the Georgian National Team. Is it you Viktor?
V.S. I guess. Ya, that's me... (Laughs)
Q. Viktor, do you have any ideas so far regarding your future club from the next season?
V.S. I do not really care my future European team at this time, as I am very focused on NBA Summer League for San Antonio Spurs.
Q. You are fifth player in the NBA from Georgia; if we include Iokovos Tsakalidis whose origin is Georgia. What do you think who will be the next one in Georgians list in the NBA?
V.S. I think that Manuchar Markoishvili and Giorgi Tsintsadze because its their last chance to get drafted as they will not be eligible next year. I think that they both will be late second round picks.
Q. What about Giorgi Shermadini?
V.S. Giorgi is very talented player with bright future. I am not really familiar about his plans, but if he puts his name on draft board he has to make it.
Q. And when we should expect to see Viktor Sanikidze hosting the games in AT&T Center?
V.S. I think that I will make it happen this year. (Laughs)
Well, thank you very much Viktor. I wish every success in your LIFE and career and hope to see you next time in San Antonio.
sounds like another euro player we will waste time teaching him nba basketball, only for him to reliaze, i can make just as much money and not have to move far from home....the days of wanting tobe an nba champion are becoming slimmer and slimmer, becos the money they can make in euro isnt so bad...not only that, he would have togo to a team that likes playing with euros....eddie johnsons(suns ex player) quote about euro players in the nba should be stopped....he said that in the allstar game this season....."this is our game and they shouldnt be allowed to play in our league"....i for one was shocked when i heard him say it....but the way usa basketball players are playing these days..i dont think it cos of the talent anymore....usa players are just getting better...bout time too.........go spurs go
Viktor Sanikidze come save us. A Georgian Larry Bird
Boy if Tau makes a run at this guy I'm flying to Spain and........
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