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You're not getting one anytime soon.
It's a hypothetical championship when all you can do, is to try to attach an asterisk to a real championship another team actually won.
You're not getting one anytime soon.
KG is better defensively. The Spurs always beat the Suns because they are greatly superior on the defensive side. KG won't make the Suns a better defensive team than the Spurs, but for the Suns to make it to the Finals they need to get a guy like KG.
Sooners fan to Horns fans, circa 2004.
I think we'll see Marion to Chicago or some other destination before we see Amare go anywhere.
We're talking NBA basketball here.Sooners fan to Horns fans, circa 2004.
I love KG, don't get me wrong. I think I've given people the impression that I'm not a KG fan.
What's stopping me from truly embracing a KG-for-Amare deal is that I can see Amare becoming unstoppable in the next couple of years, much better offensively than KG has ever been. His defense will never be top-notch, but his offensive game has no ceiling. Teams will be afraid to play him.
I'm worried that once we trade Amare away, he's going to become an absolute beast and everyone will wish we hadn't traded him.
Then again, if we win a championship with KG and Nash, I won't be worried about it. Nothing is guaranteed, though.
Agree completely with all of the above. If the Suns don't KG, as Spurs fans that is the best possible news for us.
The slightly worrisome case is that Phoenix loses Amare and gets KG. That puts a more formidable roadblock than we've seen over the last 3 years.
The most worrisome case is if McHale is dumb enough to trade KG for Marion + filler, or if Phoenix finds a third team to ship Marion out and get KG.
I think scenario 1 is the most probable, what with the Suns' delusions about Amare being the next great big man in this league, and D'Antoni's unshakeable faith in their gimmick style of play. I think we'll see pretty much the same Suns team next year.
I think Amare will be very good for a long time, but I dont think he will ever be as talented as KG offensively or defensively
KG has more offensive tools, but Amare will continue to improve until it's literally difficult to keep him from getting to the basket.
Xylus, what exactly tells you that Amare will be unstoppable? Amare's FG% rose by around 7 or 8% after Nash joined the Suns. Why? Because the offense didn't need to run through him, it runs through Nash.
Over the last few years, whenever Nash has missed games, the Suns barely win 35-40% of their games. They lose to horrible teams without Nash. He is the motor, and Amare feeds off of him.
See the point is who is the quarterback (an analogy used often by Pop) of your team ? For the Spurs, it is Duncan. The offense runs through him. He makes decisions. When to put the ball on the floor, when to back his way in the post, when to pass to a cutter, when to pass to a shooter. Can Amare do all that? So far he's only been at the receiving end of Nash's excellent decision making.
Maybe (and that's a huge maybe) Amare develops a back-to-the-basket game, plays defense, rebounds better, passes better, makes better decisions. Maybe he gets a better coach. Maybe his knees hold up while all of these improvements happen. But Nash will probably be over the hill by the time Amare gets it together.
Now Garnett is a different story. A guy who has had to hold the ball and make decisions his entire career now actually gets fed by a better decision maker. The pressure on Garnett drops radically. He doesn't have to explain why he took more shots or deferred to teammates. He's just going to be a weapon (and a very sharp one) in an arsenal that Nash can use as he deems fit. He can still run the offense when Nash sits down for 10 or so minutes. The same Suns offense which Barbosa and Amare were unable to run whenever Nash sat down. That right there is the biggest reason why the Suns will become damn near unguardable with Nash and Garnett on the floor.
Or Lakers fans to Spurs fans, circa 2001-02.Sooners fan to Horns fans, circa 2004.
The thing with Amare is I really dont know how good he is without other great players around him. KG, I know he can still be a great player without anyone else
What good does that do, when it continues to be literally difficult for him to keep anybody else from getting to the basket on the other side?
Amare has the hops and power
KG has a shot, can pass very well, rebounds, defense, and he is better at creating for himself.
Suns should do the trade if the Wolves are willing to do it.
In the '04-'05 playoffs, Amare was getting it done on his own much of the time, rather than relying mostly on Nash like he did this year. When they played the Mavericks in the 2nd round, they tried to force Nash to take all of the shots and limit Amare, but that didn't work. In the 3rd round, the Spurs shutdown everyone on the court and left Duncan to single-guard Amare most of the time. Duncan couldn't do it. The Spurs won that series because the Suns were defensively and because a one-man team can't beat the Spurs.
This is the first year back from microfracture surgery. Amare's already back in the gym trying to get back to that level, and I think he'll be scary next season, even when Nash isn't helping him.
With Garnett, the team will have to readjust and find chemistry AGAIN.
Amare's defense has always been mediocre, but it didn't look bad until Duncan played him. Duncan's really the only player in his position that he really cannot guard.
Wow, 15 pages of bitter debate. I think it's a defensible decision either way regarding KG-Amare. KG is a more well-rounded player and makes the Suns a bit better in the shortterm, as he is better defensively and is as hungry as Nash. On the other hand, you couldn't fault the Suns for holding on to 10 years of Amare vs 2-3 of KG. KG doesn't guarantee that you'll leapfrog the Spurs, it some ways it's just a little better than a lateral move. Amare doesn't play D, got caught up too easily in an ego contest with Marion and still relies on his talent instead of always busting his ass. But he's young and he'll figure it out.
Amused at the black and white debating positions at both ends of the spectrum.
Duncan's also the only player (IMO) between Phoenix and a championship. Which is why I hope KG doesn't land up in Phoenix.
It didnt look bad until Kwame Brown was schooling him
thatīs the braking point right there.We know that the Nash +Amare tandem works out pretty good,they just need to have a better Difensive system(and thats Danthonyīs Fault)
Now if they get KG ,I dont think the picknroll will work out that good in the 1 st season together.
So,I donīt know if KG will have to adjust to the suns or the suns will have to adjust to KG.
To me the suns dont really need more talent for their starting lineup,they just need a deeper bench and a smarter coach.simple as that.
letīs put it this way.Phx wont beat the spurs or the mavs if they bring KG,or even shaq.yes I said it,and book it.
But they can turn this around if they get a better/more difensive minded coach.
Lets put it this way, they havent beat those teams with what they have either
True.
but itīs been always the same coach also Mards.
Another thing, the road doesn't always go through the Spurs. What if the Mavs and Spurs end up facing each other next year, and the Suns end up playing the Mavs? The Mavs have absolutely no answer for Amare.
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