The Oberto Dilemma - Oberto declines his option/becomes a free agent

[AFBlue]

We all know,Fabss wont get a $20 M contract,He could if He was 25,but he is 32 unfortunetly.
I really think He is looking for a 3 yrs 10 to 12 M contract,and another championship ring with the spurs.
But I could be wrong.time will tell I guess.

Another thing to consider is what if some team is willing to offer an extra year at the end of the contract. We saw how the Spurs balked at adding a 5th year to Nazr and Joel Pryzbilla's contracts...so what if a team, like Toronto or the Bulls, offers a 4yr $16M deal as opposed to the 3yr $12M deal?

Do the Spurs scoff yet again and bring over a guy like Scola? I think they would and they should.

But my point is that it might not JUST come down to the money, but also to the length of the contract...in Restricted FA deals, teams are always looking for ways to outbid the host organization.

[ChumpDumper]

The Mavs already have three centers and hold and option on Mensa-Bonsu. Are they really going to blow the whole MLE on Oberto to replace Austin Croshere?

[thousandth]

I don't know, I think the Mavs might think rather highly of Oberto. The worst case for them would be that the Spurs are forced to pay a lot more to retain Oberto.

Spurs not pay a lot more. it's a fact.
Oberto to Suns not Mavs.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

LOL this is so classic.

We're going to let oberto walk for something we should match, end up signing a player that makes 75% of us go "That guy?!", not really fill our small forward need, draft guys and send them to europe or trade them to a rival team, then still come out in 2007-8 season and kick some ass with the big 3 + scrubs. I've seen this script before.

[Marcus Bryant]

A 4 year deal would expire in 2011. If TD extends this summer then he'll be under contract until 2012. TD seems to be rather comfortable playing with Oberto. And of course the key wouldn't be that Oberto would be there in the 2011 playoffs but rather those of 2008-10.

[Marcus Bryant]

The Mavs already have three centers and hold and option on Mensa-Bonsu. Are they really going to blow the whole MLE on Oberto to replace Austin Croshere?

It's the Mavs. In addition, perhaps they move one of their centers.

[wildbill2u]

Do the NBA contracts provide for incentives like the NFL contracts? I haven't heard of any incentive contracts which would provide extra money for attaining goals on rebounds, points, etc so I assume they aren't used.

[ChumpDumper]

It's the Mavs.

Right, the Mavs that actually care about the tax now and have other needs.

[AFBlue]

A 4 year deal would expire in 2011. If TD extends this summer then he'll be under contract until 2012. TD seems to be rather comfortable playing with Oberto. And of course the key wouldn't be that Oberto would be there in the 2011 playoffs but rather those of 2008-10.

But are you confident that Oberto circa 2011 will look like Oberto circa 2007? I wouldn't be so confident...

I'm just saying that it could be a discriminating factor in the potential re-signing of Oberto...

[ChumpDumper]

It's the Mavs. In addition, perhaps they move one of their centers.

Perhaps we could too.

[Marcus Bryant]

LOL this is so classic.

We're going to let oberto walk for something we should match, end up signing a player that makes 75% of us go "That guy?!", not really fill our small forward need, draft guys and send them to europe or trade them to a rival team, then still come out in 2007-8 season and kick some ass with the big 3 + scrubs. I've seen this script before.

Yeah, this is no time to go cheap.

[exstatic]

The length of the contract is what it's all about. I'm sure Oberto asked about an extension and was told "no". He opted out because he wanted a deal that ran past June '08. Not happening.

Thanks, Fabricio. It's been a pleasure, and I hope you enjoy your next stop.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't think Oberto's contract was long enough to get an extension in the first place.

[Marcus Bryant]

But are you confident that Oberto circa 2011 will look like Oberto circa 2007? I wouldn't be so confident...

I'm just saying that it could be a discriminating factor in the potential re-signing of Oberto...

Why exactly are we worried about 2011? The window is now with a 31 year old Tim Duncan, 29 year old Ginobili and 36 year old Bowen.

[AFBlue]

LOL this is so classic.

We're going to let oberto walk for something we should match, end up signing a player that makes 75% of us go "That guy?!", not really fill our small forward need, draft guys and send them to europe or trade them to a rival team, then still come out in 2007-8 season and kick some ass with the big 3 + scrubs. I've seen this script before.

All the while, SpursTalk Posters are speculating on James Singleton, Luis Scola, and when Slobo Ljubicicovic will be ready to take over for Duncan...absolutely furious!

[Marcus Bryant]

Perhaps we could too.

Butler? Maybe the Spurs can pull a low 1st out of him.
Elson? Low 2nd, if anything.

[ChumpDumper]

Butler? Maybe the Spurs can pull a low 1st out of him.
Elson? Low 2nd, if anything.

Or Oberto.

For the others, should I dig up one of your quotes pimping the value of an expiring contract?

[Marcus Bryant]

Or Oberto.

For the others, should I dig up one of your quotes pimping the value of an expiring contract?

Sure, if the team with the expiring contract is willing to take back one with a significant amount of $ and years left on it. Sound like the Spurs?

[AFBlue]

Why exactly are we worried about 2011? The window is now with a 31 year old Tim Duncan and a 29 year old Ginobili.

So you think that Oberto is irreplaceable? That he was the "x-factor" in the Spurs run to the championship this year? I mean, c'mon, I think he's an incredibly efficient player, but we're talking about Fabricio Oberto....

Surely the Spurs can afford to lose this guy, bring in a guy like Scola, PJ Brown, Nick Fazekas, Jackie Butler, or whoever...to play alongside Duncan and he'll adapt like he always does on the way to another le.

So what's the risk?

[ChumpDumper]

Sure, if the team with the expiring contract is willing to take back one with a significant amount of $ and years left on it. Sound like the Spurs?

You're saying the Spurs should match a full MLE deal for Oberto and abandon their cap space plan for 08.

Sound like the Spurs?

[Marcus Bryant]

So you think that Oberto is irreplaceable? That he was the "x-factor" in the Spurs run to the championship this year? I mean, c'mon, I think he's an incredibly efficient player, but we're talking about Fabricio Oberto....

Surely the Spurs can afford to lose this guy, bring in a guy like Scola, PJ Brown, Nick Fazekas, Jackie Butler, or whoever...to play alongside Duncan and he'll adapt like he always does on the way to another le.

So what's the risk?

Just like Radoslav and Nazr, right?

[Marcus Bryant]

You're saying the Spurs should match a full MLE deal for Oberto.

Sound like the Spurs?

How much did they give Horry?

[ArgSpursFan]

Another thing to consider is what if some team is willing to offer an extra year at the end of the contract. We saw how the Spurs balked at adding a 5th year to Nazr and Joel Pryzbilla's contracts...so what if a team, like Toronto or the Bulls, offers a 4yr $16M deal as opposed to the 3yr $12M deal?

Do the Spurs scoff yet again and bring over a guy like Scola? I think they would and they should.

But my point is that it might not JUST come down to the money, but also to the length of the contract...in Restricted FA deals, teams are always looking for ways to outbid the host organization.

Oberto in 2 yrs,If the spurs don´t want him no more(which I doubt)could be an easy tradeable material for the spurs,teams always need a smart veteran buckup Center.
So I wouldn´t mind having him on the books until 2010.

[thousandth]

Really, Oberto not sign to Mavs. He'll go to in the Suns.

Newspapers in Argentina:

"he gets offer to more teams (Phoenix?)"

http://www.ole.clarin.com/notas/2007/06/19/01440869.html

[ChumpDumper]

How much did they give Horry?

That ate into the cap plan?

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