Reply With Quote
we'll see if he gets it. you're right, Ginobili didn't foul Dirk in the WCF's
Yeah, it was a foul. The Spurs don't dispute that it was a foul. You at least have four trophies to fall back on. You don't get everything.
No, there never was a foul committed by Manu on Dirk in the WCF's, because the Spurs and Mavs faced each other in the WCSF. Just having some semantical fun with 41times.
Now in THAT series, there was definitely a stupid Manu foul. In fact, I believe Manu carried that memory as motivation this last year.
Doh! Walked right into that one.
If the refs are being PAID BY THE MAFIA to influence games, even if it is only to cover the over/under bets, that means the game is FIXED. If a referee makes a couple of extra foul calls to put both teams in the penalty early in the game ( to ensure they are over the over/under) those calls could influence the game.
Just because we hate Suns fans, I think we need to be careful to not "wear homer goggles" on this issue.
The fact is-- people have questioned the way games are called. (including the Mavs-Heat series) Now there is evidence that the mafia controlled at least one ref. This is not a Spurs-Suns issue, this is a league wide issue.
There are a lot of things that can come up in the playoffs. Bad matchups, trying to find the right adjustments, relaxing when you have a series lead, fatigue, and a bunch of others. Getting enough experience to win a le means learning how to avoid various traps.
I think everybody on the team learned a big lesson this year about how to value regular season wins. I can pretty much guarantee you that they won't ever need to learn that one again. Likewise, I'll bet they'll never again make the mistake of thinking they have the finals in the bag after 2 3/4 games.
If the Mavs are lucky, they'll manage to avoid a 70-win pace and stay below the radar a little better. It definitely makes things a lot easier. Should be an interesting year.
Homer Goggle Remover sold here.
Picture from Game 3 and no foul was called on Marion
How did Manu respond? by scoring 10 straight points he didn't about it.
No one is crying about the Manu foul on Dirk. That was legit.
But if you're going down this woulda shoulda coulda path and crying about 2006, the Mavs would have never have even gotten by SA if it weren't for the refs bailing out Dirk on a play late in a game where he stepped on Tim Duncan's foot. Dirk got the bailout foul, two FTs, and Tim fouled out.
There was another one where Dirk ran over Bowen (when Bruce had already been set) that should have been clearly a charge, and that was under 10 seconds left, and put Dirk on the line for two FTs that ultimately proved to be the difference in the game.
So if you're playing 'take games back in 2006 due to bad calls', we can play this game all day long and your team never even makes it to the NBA Finals.
Not to mention the Finley technical in game 4(?) that was rescinded after the game by the league.
The point is, that anybody who tries to say that Donaghy cost the Suns the series has no case.
The Suns cost the Suns the series. And even then, there no reason to be assured they would have beaten the Spurs.
The Finley technical in the first half, which would seem to have been significant given that regulation ended with the game tied and given that Dirk hit the ensuing FG after Bavetta's phantom T.
The worse call in that game was a block called on Duncan with about 5 minutes to go in the 4th and the Spurs up 5. Duncan was clearly set and clearly outside the arc, but Jim Clark called the block and pointed to the floor, suggesting that Duncan had a foot on the line. The Spurs not only gave up two FT's to Dirk, but also were assessed a delay of game technical and a 5 point lead shrunk to 2. The Spurs have themselves to blame for losing that game and Game 3, but they certainly didn't get any help from the officials.
What really shocks me -- or actually, what really doesn't shock me -- about the focus on Game 3 is the amount of misinformation concerning Donaghy's role in that game. Listening to the radio today, I heard commentators offering opinions that Donaghy put two questionable fouls on Stoudemire in the first quarter and then had it out for Amare the rest of the night. Neither statement is true, as earlier posts in this thread demonstrate. But anymore, it doesn't really matter what the objective truth is about something like that -- the opinions bandied about in the courts of sports opinion will carry the day, regardless of how ill-informed or incorrect they might be.
Is Donaghy a bad guy who did about the worst thing imaginable? Absolutely. Is there clear proof that he altered the outcome of Game 3? That's debatable.
As I read somewhere, if you are going to fix a game, it's going to be some trash regular season game no one is going to care about. You could win as much money in a Hawks vs. Grizzlies game in December as you could in Game 7 of an NBA Finals. Even Donaghy wouldn't be dumb enough to fix a game in which the whole world is watching.
And really, it's hard for me to care too much either way after watching Game 3 and 4 in Dallas in 2006. Those are the only two Spurs games in the last twenty years that I thought were lost on a large part due to bad calls by refs. If the Spurs get a fair shake in those two games, they'd have won the championship.
If the Spurs got the advantage of the whistle this last playoffs in a couple games, oh well. They were due a break after the travesty of 2006. People can try to taint the championship as much as they want but it's pretty hard to taint a third championship in five years. The Spurs had to be doing something right before that point.
Spurs = 4
Suns + Mavs + Jazz = 0
That's all the matters.
It's actuallyAs I read somewhere, if you are going to fix a game, it's going to be some trash regular season game no one is going to care about. You could win as much money in a Hawks vs. Grizzlies game in December as you could in Game 7 of an NBA Finals. Even Donaghy wouldn't be dumb enough to fix a game in which the whole world is watching.
And really, it's hard for me to care too much either way after watching Game 3 and 4 in Dallas in 2006. Those are the only two Spurs games in the last twenty years that I thought were lost on a large part due to bad calls by refs. If the Spurs get a fair shake in those two games, they'd have won the championship.
If the Spurs got the advantage of the whistle this last playoffs in a couple games, oh well. They were due a break after the travesty of 2006. People can try to taint the championship as much as they want but it's pretty hard to taint a third championship in five years. The Spurs had to be doing something right before that point.
Spurs = 4
Suns + Mavs + Jazz = 0
That's all the matters.
Spurs = 2
Suns + Mavs + Jazz = 0
I'll give you 2003 and 2005
1999 and 2007 are tainted
Whats wrong you don't know how to count?
I'll give you 2003 and 2005
1999 and 2007 are tainted
You want a link???
What more do you need to get you to understand?
Games 3 and 5 WCSF
Game 3 NBA Finals.
The truth is out there.
What are you talking about?You want a link???
What more do you need to get you to understand?
Games 3 and 5 WCSF
Game 3 NBA Finals.
The truth is out there.
You said that the 1999 and 2007 championships are "tainted". So provide me an official link that says that the 1999 and 2007 championships are officially "tainted". Because if they're tainted only in your little head, then I could live with that because you're just some random kid who hangs out on a spurs forum 24/7 and your OPINION doesn't mean .You want a link???
What more do you need to get you to understand?
Games 3 and 5 WCSF
Game 3 NBA Finals.
The truth is out there.
It's not that Fast Dunk can't count, it's just that Fast Dunk believes 2 is the highest number.
Consequently Fast Dunk also believes:
After 2 years of driving of driving Fast Dunk around, his mom's car has 2 miles on it.
Pluto was recently removed from the list of planets making it no longer the 2nd planet from the Sun.
In a few months Fast Dunk will be celebrating his 2nd birthday, again.
The Spurs have 2 Championship Banners hanging in the AT&T Center
You know what I'm talking about. It's a 3 letter word
Official records or books or whatever are not going to make it "officially tainted"You said that the 1999 and 2007 championships are "tainted". So provide me an official link that says that the 1999 and 2007 championships are officially "tainted". Because if they're tainted only in your little head, then I could live with that because you're just some random kid who hangs out on a spurs forum 24/7 and your OPINION doesn't mean .
People make them tainted.
How is 99 tainted because of a shortened regular season? Playoffs are all that matters...
Not a clue what you are talking about. That's why I asked. Seriously, your trolling is about as weak as your team.
People don't crown champs so how can they taint them. Like I said your OPINION doesn't mean , and it also cant take away the Spurs championships.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions