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Do you have any names to suggest?
"Which attainable PG would you rather the Spurs had rather than AJ?" pretty much sums up the argument for retiring Avery's jersey. He sucked but we coiuldn't get anybody else. We finally surround him with two greatest 30 of all time players, one heading for top 5 if not there, to get a le so let's retire his jersey.
Do you have any names to suggest?
If Beno played with AJ's heart, we assuredly would be talking about retiring it someday, and you wouldn't be ing(*).
(*)because he can hit 3-pointers
Yeah...because if Beno had AJ's heart he wouldn't suck...
AJ however, did still suck even with his heart.
Damn straight....you show me a Spurs team that couldn't hit threes, and I'll show you a Spurs team that didn't win a championship.(*)because he can hit 3-pointers
Meanwhile....the only thing AJ's heart and leadership got us on teams without Robinson...was Duncan.
Should have stuck with Strickland.
So, to recap:
The 2001 Spurs in the playoffs shot more threes, made more threes and shot threes at a higher percentage than the 1999 Spurs in the playoffs.
Nice take.
Strickland was the anti-AJ. He had no championship qualities whatsoever.
There's no way Strickland would have led the 1999 Spurs to a championship.
I found this, a poll of the 05 team that had Parker in third place easily. :
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10636
The other polls I found regarding favorites were all-time lists, I'm not surprised at Parker not being top 3 or even top 5 all time.
But on any given team after 03, Parker will be top 3.
That's a good question: how many of you would rather have had Rod Strickland for all those years instead of AJ?
Rod Strickland couldn't hit threes!
Even that poll, Parker was closer to last place than he was to second place.
The 2001 Spurs in the playoffs shot more threes, made more threes and shot threes at a higher percentage than the 1999 Spurs in the playoffs.
Nice take.
They also had Avery Johnson, getting boofed by Derek Fisher at an NBA record clip...even better take.
I didn't say shooting threes guranteed a championship, I said not being able to hit them, gurantees not winning a championship.
And if you don't think that 99 team hit some freaking threes...you just weren't watching.
Go ask LakerFan if that team could hit threes...
Better yet, just go say the words Jaren Jackson to them and see what their response is.
I'd rather Rod Strickland...
He made the jobs of the bigmen easier, he was a much better passer than AJ, he was better defender than AJ, he was a better shooter than AJ, and yes he was a better rebounder than AJ...in fact he was arguably the only guard that was both an elite passer and rebounder between the Magic and Kidd eras.
there's a difference between being closer to 4th or last than 2nd and being 'lucky to finish 3rd'
Speaking as someone who has talked to a ton of Spurs fans in person at games and about, I almost always ask them their favorite Spur, and Parker is consitantly top 3, though that's largely due to the female vote.
Even on a hardcore fan board that a small percentage of Spurs fans frequent, he was top 3 by a comfortable margin, and even that was coming off his disappearing act against the Lakers in 04.
Amongst the common people, the casual Spurs fan, the people who buy the merchandise but couldn't name a single player out of the rotation, Parker is very popular. Particularly with the women, as I wrote. Would he finish behind Duncan and Manu in an Express News poll of fans? Probably. But he wouldn't be 'lucky' to finish ahead of anyone else, including Bowen and Horry.
Another bad take. There have been many championship teams that have won it all without relying on three-pointers. Actually, there have been more championship teams that haven't relied on threes than there have been teams who rely on it.
Another other pearls of wisdom you want to mount?
To recap:
2004 Spurs...choked. Carter was deemed physicially unable to play.
Mercer and Heal > Hedo and Carter.
I want you to name me one team since the advent of the 3 point shot, that won a le without being able to hit threes...
I can tell you right now, you can eliminate every Bulls, Spurs and Rocket team to win a le...you can also eliminate the Shaq/Kobe Lakers.
I guess that leaves you with the Showtime Lakers and Bird Celtics...
Congrats...you get me Larry and Bird or Magic Johnson to pair with Duncan...and I'll agree we don't need the three.
I know you think AJ is right there with them...that doesn't make you sane.
It's amazing that you can't tell that all of our post season failures were due to the inability to knockdown perimeter shots when opposing teams packed the paint...including the 2001 Spurs.
Strickland had talent and could break down a D something Avery was severely lacking in. He came damn close to taking the Spurs into the finals DRob's first year.
Strickland was the anti-AJ. He had no championship qualities whatsoever.
There's no way Strickland would have led the 1999 Spurs to a championship.
Three years of Spurs playoffs - PPG 15.5, FG% - .483, Rebounds - 4.7, Assists PG - 9.8 A:TO 3.1:1
I'll take those over Avery's any day.
Nine votes ahead of Rasho and 26 votes behind Manu isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of third place.
If you would feel better if I said that Parker "would always finish third" or "would at best finish third", then consider my quote changed. Although, his marriage and Finals MVP probably hurt his popularity amongst a section of Spurs fans.
My point was that point guards are rarely popular. You have to be an azz to be a good point guard. A nice guy point guard is a bad point guard.
Great take.
I'm sure that instead of AJ making the team practice during the lockout, the same effect would have happened if Rocket Rod took the team clubbing during the lockout. Because, you know, Rocket Rod was all about winning.
AJ's toughness is over-rated too...that mofo didn't like contact. Pakrer is 10 times tougher than AJ was.
I can't think of a single time I saw AJ take it into the paint knowing he was going to get hammered...any time he saw that happening, that ball was Drob's...whether Drob had 3 guys on him, or not.
Your changed quote is correct.If you would feel better if I said that Parker "would always finish third" or "would at best finish third", then consider my quote changed.
Well for one, the '82 Lakers hit two three pointers during their entire playoff run. The '83 76ers hit one three pointer in their entire playoff run. , even the '06 Heat only shot 32% on threes during the playoffs.
Need further debunking or you are debunked enough?
Cue timvp and Shoogar with the story about AJ going after young men in the shower as proof of his toughness...then telling me I am the guy with female tendencies.
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