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Yeah, sounds like he hated Pheonix, being a pissy ingrate and all...
I'm wondering when I ever said that JJ "redeemed" himself.
All I ever said was that he was a better player after leaving D'Antoni... oh whoops, I mean after leaving Steve Nash.
Yeah, sounds like he hated Pheonix, being a pissy ingrate and all...
How do you figure hole? Because he responded to me? His response was detailed and encyclopedic, but not substantially in disagreement with anything I said. He just thinks Joe got dissed and that's all there was too it, I think ...Danny b, owned again
The REAL Joe Johnson story is a mix between both sides.
Joe wanted a MAX offer. 6/60 million was what the Suns initially offered (which was the number that most were speculating as the season was winding down). But after Ray Allen and Michael Redd got 90 million, the market was set very high.
The bottom line is that Joe definately wanted out. He wanted to move back to the south and be closer to his mother.
I dont believe any of the "wanted to be the man" stuff was true.....but he definately wanted his money and to be closer to home more than he wanted to win.
Spurs got 4 rings.Ah yes...the "Suns fans only care about ratings" argument.
Here's a little history.
1) Spurs get bad ratings and are labeled as boring
2) Spurs fans say thats only because they're in a small market
3) Da Suns Fan shreds that argument. Small market teams have previously gotten good ratings and large market teams have gotten smaller ratings.
4) Spurs fans counter by saying Suns fans only care about ratings.
Well at least you all bailed on that "small market" excuse.
Suns got none.
"BORING" Spurs >>>> "EXCITING" Suns.
Fair enough, but we were originally talking about D'Antoni and the Suns bench....
If youre going to criticize D'Antoni for not playing his bench, then there has to be at least one guy who proved he was worthy of playing, right?
Which guy? How did everyone get on this Joe Johnson subject?
I want to know who Mike D should have been playing.
Casey Jacobsen? Jake Voskhul? Jackson Vroman? Jalen Rose? Jumain Jones? Pat Burke? Paul Shirley?
Who?
Please find me the source of that quote. I remember the entire affair vividly, and I don't believe that's a real quote. I think you actually made it up. After he made up his mind that he was done with the Suns, he wouldn't even return their phone calls in person.
This is what Im talking about....thank you stretch.
Im not arguing the Spurs haven't won...Im arguing that the Spurs "boring" label and lack of ratings have NOTHING to do with market sizes.
JmarksJohn is incorrect.
Sarver didn't "up" his offer from 45 to 60 after he saw what Larry Hughes got.
45 was his offer in 04 (when JJ had one half of a good season on his resume after three years).
60 was his offer in 05. He eventually "upped" his offer to 6 years, 75 million. Hardly a "lowball" offer.
Are you an idiot?
I never criticized D'Antoni for not playing his bench either. You really need to read what I post, before posting strange stuff like this.
But their playing style is all that matters.
Playing fundamentally sound basketball, with solid defense, rebounding, and smart shooting wins championships.
Playing with terrible fundamentals, throwing up the quickest shot you can get, playing no defense and not rebounding the basketball wins nothing.
You're so full of crap it's not even funny...
At the time, the Suns weren't even at the luzery threshold. Also, one reason the Suns payroll is so screwed up is be resigning a player they received in the JJ trade (Diaw), and a player to replace JJ's backup PG skills (Banks)
Funny. Had he signed JJ for the six year, 50 million offer JJ originally came in with, then that would be an 8.5 per year average. Throw in a resigned Barbosa at 5-per and you're looking at 13.5 million per year for those two.
OK, instead, they spent 9 per on Diaw, and four per on Banks in addition to the 5 per from Barbosa, so instead of having an All-Star in JJ and a great bench player in Barbosa for 13.5 million per season, they went out and spent 18.5 million on two complimentary players and Barbosa, a star.
Yeah, it looks like they couldn't afford Johnson...
BUT, let's just assume that they resign him to the five year, 70 million that Atlanta offered. OK, so that's 14 per average, plus Barbosa's 5 per and they sit at 19 per, or basically the same amount in a worst case scenerio than they are right now with Diaw, Banks and Barbosa's 18.5 per average.
Again... You have no idea what you're talking about. You're regurgitating the Arizona Republic propaganda, a paper that came to prominence because of Jerry Colangelo's unlimited access. You see, Colangelo was both the Suns owner and a minority owner of the Republic, so the Republic has extreme loyalties to the orginization that made their sports coverage tops in the state.
I don't expect him to spend money foolishly. I expect an owner to listen to his general manager's when he says that six years, 50 million is worth a player like JJ. Had they done that, they'd bee in a much better situation, both on the court and on the books.People always want to call him cheap, and he may be. But what's he supposed to do? Spend money like the Knicks? Nobody wants to pay dollar for dollar luxury tax on contracts worth tens of millions!
100% agree with the bolded statement. Thank you much. I have set the record straight with yet another Texan.
What the are you talking about?
no matter how he twists things, DSF still shows how ratings-obsessed he is.
I don't see how that is even a twist. This is just complete nonsense.
I linked it for you. Check my post in the 11th page of this thread. The one that reads "LINK" and then redirects you to a Marc Stein story. If you would have actually read it, down towards the bottom Johnson is directly quoted as saying what I posted.
Yeah... I'm so gooda post that I can manipulate ESPN.com's webpages and content to match my agenda.
OOOOOOORRRRRR...
Maybe I'm someone who bases his opinion upon the facts, and not feelings/emotions.
What? You didn't read that quote in the Arizona Republic or hear it on any of the city stations? Well, I've already explained why you wouldn't have from the Republic, since they never badmouth the Suns organization. As for the latter, perhaps you weren't following the situation as closely as you like you think you were?
Sarver was the first one to admit that not resigning Joe in 04 was mistake. That was obvious.
But Joe definately wanted out in 05...that too was obvious. Not because he wanted to be the fourth wheel, but because he wanted a max offer.
The thing is, with Barbosa and Raja Bell, we don't need Joe Johnson. The Suns have plenty of talent in the backcourt don't they?
PG - All NBA 1st team
SG - All NBA Defense 1st team. Led the league in three pointers.
backup - NBA's sixth man of the year.
Seriously....what would Joe Johnson bring? How much more than we're getting with Grant Hill? And at what price?
Don't give up on Diaw yet.....obvioulsy banks sucks but there's hope for Diaw.
how bad is that JJ trade looking now? Boris Diaw and the 1st rounder you'll end up getting is gonna suck since Atlanta will be good this year!
I read it...and i love how your original post is completely disingenuous. You pretend that your "bullets" is a direct quote from your link.
Of course, they weren't.
You left out that part where Stein states that Joe was sick of being "the fourth wheel".
Congratulations on self ownage you idiot. You almost had everyone fooled.
So the Suns have "terrible fundamentals"? That's really your position? Anyone in particular, or the whole team? Nash? Yeah, he's got terrible fundamentals, right? Just because he's not a powerhouse defender in addition to doing everything else perfectly (see "fundamentals"). And what about Marion? No fundamentals, right? That's why he pretty much does everything and is consistently at the top of the league in efficiency. Raja Bell? No fundamentals, huh? He's all flash and no substance huh? He doesn't work his butt off at all the fundamentals because he's just such a naturally gifted athlete, right? That's gotta be the stupidest thing you've said. I'm not even saying the Suns are better than the Spurs in the fundamentals dept., or that the Spurs don't exemplify fundamental skills (I''m not saying they do, either); but to act like the Suns are just a sloppy bunch of undisciplined hot-dogs or something is ing stupid.
Ok, now I see. You've got the inside scoop. It's a conspiracy theory involving the AZ Republic as the propoganda arm of Jerry Colangelo's evil empire. Right. ... and I'm the one full of crap. Yep.You're so full of crap it's not even funny...
At the time, the Suns weren't even at the luzery threshold. Also, one reason the Suns payroll is so screwed up is be resigning a player they received in the JJ trade (Diaw), and a player to replace JJ's backup PG skills (Banks)
Funny. Had he signed JJ for the six year, 50 million offer JJ originally came in with, then that would be an 8.5 per year average. Throw in a resigned Barbosa at 5-per and you're looking at 13.5 million per year for those two.
OK, instead, they spent 9 per on Diaw, and four per on Banks in addition to the 5 per from Barbosa, so instead of having an All-Star in JJ and a great bench player in Barbosa for 13.5 million per season, they went out and spent 18.5 million on two complimentary players and Barbosa, a star.
Yeah, it looks like they couldn't afford Johnson...
BUT, let's just assume that they resign him to the five year, 70 million that Atlanta offered. OK, so that's 14 per average, plus Barbosa's 5 per and they sit at 19 per, or basically the same amount in a worst case scenerio than they are right now with Diaw, Banks and Barbosa's 18.5 per average.
Again... You have no idea what you're talking about. You're regurgitating the Arizona Republic propaganda, a paper that came to prominence because of Jerry Colangelo's unlimited access. You see, Colangelo was both the Suns owner and a minority owner of the Republic, so the Republic has extreme loyalties to the orginization that made their sports coverage tops in the state.
I don't expect him to spend money foolishly. I expect an owner to listen to his general manager's when he says that six years, 50 million is worth a player like JJ. Had they done that, they'd bee in a much better situation, both on the court and on the books.
When one cannot address the issues, change the subject.
You obviously haven't the sense of history that you claim to have.
Not changing the subject. Just thought it was funny when you started talking about how full of crap I am because I don't buy into you conspiracy theory.
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