Except they've been saying all along that they did prove me wrong. My initial point in this thread was that I disagreed with official that it was a technical or an ejection. Again, officials make wrong calls sometimes. I called it a flop. There is no proof that there wasn't a flop. You can't prove Sasha didn't flop with certainty. I can't prove with certainty that he did flop. Therefore, it's a matter of opinion and I disagreed with what the official concluded. No one proved anyone wrong with certainty. It was an opinion. That Sasha flopped is an opinion.
No, I do disagree with the official. That's what I was saying. I didn't go after people. I responded to people who disagreed with me. And, no, you are not summarizing my stance accurately. First, I thought Sasha flopped and Carmelo did not choke or choke slam Vujacic. Second, I thought it was wrong to give him a technical (or flagrant as it probably was) and an ejection. Both monosylab1k and PoleSmoking mentioned that Carmelo deserved any suspension he got. I am just using the fact he didn't get suspended as demonstrating he didn't choke slam Sasha.
As you pointed out that video is pretty bad, I don't see how you can say Melo "grabbed" his throat. Hands around the throat area? Sure. Grabbed it? You can't tell that. And, again, hands on the throat is NOT an automatic ejection.
First, shove in the back and someone grabbing your throat completely two different things. As for the rest of your opinion, well that's what it is ... an opinion. It differs from mine. Again, no substantive proof either way.
Exactly. You've never seen anyone grab someone else's throat in pick up or rec league ever during play, only in a brawl. So, even though Melo got a huge suspension last year for throwing a punch, and on national television in a blowout, he's going to choke a player during a play? Come on. He wanted to impede Vujacic's movement. He didn't want to choke Sasha. And, if he was going to choke Sasha, he REALLY WOULD HAVE CHOKED Sasha. If you're going to choke someone, make it count. Kind of like making a flagrant count.
I already mentioned why I talked about that this is only the internet. I don't care about people laughing at me behind a computer screen. It doesn't mean I won't argue my point.
And, arguing with PoleSmoking about the rule is actually right on point with my initial stance. My initial points about the Melo foul:
1. Vujacic flopped and Melo did not choke slam him.
2. Melo did not deserve a technical foul (flagrant foul) or ejection.
My argument against PoleSmoking speaks directly to the second point as he made it abundantly clear that there was no room for debate about the ejection because it was an above the shoulders foul. My whole point was that the official made a poor call in judgment. He said in like 7-8 posts over and over again that there was no discretion or room for interpretation because it was an automatic ejection based on an "above the shoulders" foul. Turns out, the rule was for "elbows." Then he comes back with a different rule for flagrants when an official "deems a foul excessive." In that rule, there is discretion. And, having that discretion, I disagreed with the official's determination that the contact was excessive based on my belief that Sasha flopped. PoleSmoking changed his argument. Later he would talk about special exceptions and provisions where he never mentioned anything about those special exceptions or provisions until after I proved what he said all along to be inaccurate. He was so pompous about me reading the NBA rulebook and he got the rule wrong. And, yes, the argument was directly tied into my initial stance.
Thanks for your opinion.
P.S. I generally call people names or throw insults in response. I don't usually call people names unless they start with the name-calling or unless they prove to be unreasonably obnoxious or stupid. Again, name-calling or throwing insults isn't that serious to me. For others it might be.
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