Suns and Heat in Talks of Marion/Shaq Trade

[whottt]

This potential trade makes great sense - for the Spurs, Mavs and Fakers.

Um...Shawn Marion has been our shank ass in the post season, arguably more than any other player on any other team, well, ok maybe K-Mart tops him.....but me? I'm sorry to see him leaving the Suns.

[T Park]

History also shows that any team making such drastic, mid-season lineup changes rarely reap immediate benefit - if at all.

I would be tin bricks if this was 2004 Shaq.

2006 shaq.

But Shaq is a s of the s he was 2 years ago.

[Pistons < Spurs]

D'Antoni will be coach in name only. This will be Shaq's team. He knows he has one last run. Nash and everyone else will hop on Shaq's shoulders and Shaq will give it his final push.

I don't want the Spurs to play a desperate Shaq playing with desperate players like Nash and Grant Hill. That's three players who are all about winning championships.

Spurs fans can laugh and make fun of the Suns now but they just got the one player who the Spurs just can't guard. Sure, he might get injured or he might be too broken, but if he's not?

Not good.

+1

[T Park]

Um...Shawn Marion has been our shank ass in the post season, arguably more than any other player on any other team,

Offense yes. Bowen owns him more than prob Ray Allen.

Defense though, he shut down Parker.

Now Parker will be blowing by them and doing tear drops all night.

[slayermin]

As Timvp eluded to, our team isn't built to stop Shaq anymore. That's what worries me the most.

[ducks]

bowen now will not have to shut down marion in the playoffs
bowen and tp will no be able to switch off to guard nash!

[T Park]

Boy I guess I better sell my playoff tickets then.

[T Park]

As Timvp eluded to, our team isn't built to stop Shaq anymore. That's what worries me the most.

You come down hack him, he misses 75% of his FTs.

Wow thats just tough as .

[timvp]

The bottomline for me as a Spurs fan was the Suns were not going to beat the Spurs in the playoffs. They might win a game or two but the Spurs were just too much of a team and were too cohesive to lose a series to the Suns.

Now? I'm not nearly as confident. I can picture a team with Shaq, Nash, Stoudemire, Hill, Bell, Barbosa, etc. beating the Spurs. The Suns chemistry went from being horrible to being great if this trade becomes official. D'Antoni went from being one of the most influential people on the Suns to being a figurehead who will be ignored. Nash went from a guy trying to lead a bunch of guys who didn't believe in him to a guy who can just play basketball.

It's a huge ass risk (no pun intended) but I would have made the same move if I was Kerr. Nash has one or two years left. Same with Shaq. It's win now or never for Phoenix. You want a win now, you take a desperate Shaq on your team without giving up anything of note.

What's ironic is I think that game against the Suns where the Spurs sucked but still beat them ... that was the straw the broke the camel's back. The Spurs were at like 50% of their playoff level and they still beat the Suns. That was the final dagger in the run and gun Suns.

[whottt]

I would be tin bricks if this was 2004 Shaq.

2006 shaq.

But Shaq is a s of the s he was 2 years ago.

Steve Nash...


There will be no transition period...because Steve Nash is going to weaponize Shaq the second he steps on the court. Ever watch the guy play?

[whottt]

You come down hack him, he misses 75% of his FTs.

Wow thats just tough as .

That's false...

I've seen Shaq hit 9 FT's in a row to close out a playoff game before.


Sometimes it works...and sometimes it doesn't.


And any fan of a team with Tim Duncan should know that doesn't keep you from winning championships.

[T Park]

Steve Nash...


There will be no transition period...because Steve Nash is going to weaponize Shaq the second he steps on the court. Ever watch the guy play

No whottt never.

I know you saw him up close and personal in dallas so keep bragging.

How does Nash improve Shaq's FT shooting.

[ducks]

you can say steve ing nash all you want
BOWEN AND TP WILL NOW BE ABLE TO TRADE OFF AND GUARD HIS ASS

[slayermin]

What's ironic is I think that game against the Suns where the Spurs sucked but still beat them ... that was the straw the broke the camel's back. The Spurs were at like 50% of their playoff level and they still beat the Suns. That was the final dagger in the run and gun Suns.

Great point. That was creeping into my head. I wish we won in Seattle and lost in Phoenix.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

what a trade

For every 1 or 2pts shaq gets on offense, he is going to give up twice as much when the other team gets out on a break. I like this move coz Marion scared me heck of alot more than Shaq does

[T Park]

GUess the Spurs oughtta be sellers at the trading deadline then.

[Kori Ellis]

you can say steve ing nash all you want
BOWEN AND TP WILL NOW BE ABLE TO TRADE OFF AND GUARD HIS ASS

Bowen would be guarding Nash, Tony would be guarding Raja Bell and Manu would be guarding Grant Hill.

[whottt]

What's ironic is I think that game against the Suns where the Spurs sucked but still beat them ... that was the straw the broke the camel's back. The Spurs were at like 50% of their playoff level and they still beat the Suns. That was the final dagger in the run and gun Suns.

It was....I think it definitely was. I mean it's not like Steve Kerr doesn't understand what it takes to win championships....or beat the Spurs.

[slayermin]

GUess the Spurs oughtta be sellers at the trading deadline then.

We need a Kevin Willis or Tony Massenburg type player and quick.

[ducks]

and if hill gets hot you put bowen on him for a few mintues

[T Park]

We need a Kevin Willis or Tony Massenburg type player and quick.

Yeah that worked in 04.

K Will was stellar.


What the Call David Robinson up.

So let me get this straight.

Shaq.

Is not only gonna push this team to a ring.

hes gonna get in shape, get healthy, and take this team over all in 4 months?

[ducks]

We need a Kevin Willis or Tony Massenburg type player and quick.

we might get on

[T Park]

Bowen would be guarding Nash, Tony would be guarding Raja Bell and Manu would be guarding Grant Hill.

Sounds fine to me.

[timvp]

Defense though, he shut down Parker.

In what universe did Marion ever shut down Parker.

Now Parker will be blowing by them and doing tear drops all night.

Tear drops against Shaq? I've never seen that. In fact, I'm sure Shaq has blocked more shots from Manu and Tony than any other bigman in the league.

I'm not saying the Suns are now better than the Spurs. But only a ultimate Spurs homer could say this move isn't potentially disastrous for the Spurs. With Marion, the chances the Suns beat the Spurs in the playoffs was probably like .01%. Without Marion and with Shaq, even if you want to bump that up to just 10%, this move still gives them a whole of a lot better chance of beating the Spurs.

The Spurs always beat the Suns because they were bigger, stronger and had better chemistry. Now the Suns will be bigger, stronger and could potentially match the Spurs' chemistry. Sure the Spurs can still beat them because the Spurs are damn good .... but if this Suns team catches on and all their players are playing good at the same time, that will be scary for any team in the NBA.

[peskypesky]

We need a Kevin Willis or Tony Massenburg type player and quick.

Nene?