Jason Kidd Trade was a disaster

[ElNono]

I worked at KSAT-12 with Greg Simmons and Paul Alexander in the Sports department back when Larry Brown was the Spurs coach, he was the most arrogant man I have ever met.

A micromangment nutcase, I know he won one championship but I think his days on the NBA sidelines are well past him.....

Glad for that.

DD

He is a prick, no question about it. However, he's done it at the College level ('88 NCAA) and at the Pro level ('04 Pistons). The guy has 25 playoff appearances in 26 seasons as coach. He's a very good coach.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I am still waiting on you to post something intelligent to discuss.

I have made my case, the trade was bad because Kidd doesn't fit....and the record since the trade has proven my point.

You on the other hand just like to troll and curse at people, how unclassy of you.

As for JVG....the guy is the most overated coach in NBA history.....he has no clue how to make adjustments at all, and for the record...for those of you whining about Avery, he outcoached JVG in the playoffs after the Rockets were up 2-0 and going home for the next 2 games.

That should tell you all you need to know about him.

Kill Bill is exaggreating about FIBA ball, but he is somewhat right about V-Span the guy would be a very good NBA PG if given the right opportunity.


DD

I know Euroleague is not as good as NBA but I have issue with top level FIBA not give proper credit. Top level FIBA is not same as Euroleague. Spanish national team, Argentine national team, Greek national team, US national team, Lithuania, Russia probably best teams.

This top level of FIBA like final four of World Championship or final four of European championship (please not say Americas championship that is crap level) or Olympics. Final four of these is just as good as NBA better if consider against team US.

This high level of FIBA is talk about like it joke by American NBA fan. Look at post here. Either you are crazy person or just liar if believe final four at such FIBA national team level is joke compare to NBA.

As for Spanouli he play in championship game at World Championship against Spain, he play at final four in World Championship against team US and have 22 point and 6 assist off bench 15 point 5 assist off bench in 4 quarter. He is best player on court in game with player such as Wade, Lebron, Chris Paul, Amare, Dwight Howard, Elton Brand and them.

He have won 2005 European championship and 2nd in World Championship. He play in final four of 2007 European championship and he have 24 point and 5 assist in game. He is easy best player on court in game against players like Pao Gasol, Juan Carlos Navarro, Rudy Fernadez, Jose Calderon, Sergrio Rodrigues and them.

So yes it is just arrogant US craps that other countries have to keep hear how they "suck" at basketball and their players "suck" at basketball when in final four level of top FIBA compe ion they are as good or better for some country and some player than US player and team is. It is just this and nothing more than arrogance.

[mavsfan1000]

Mono,

Watch the game tonight, the difference in what I am talking about is that when Kidd does dump it off, and it is a LOT LESS than Harris did, the teams can easily double off of Kidd because he is NOT a threat.

Whereas with Harris he would cut or fade to the 3pt line and teams would still have to account for him.

The bottom line is that Kidd is worse for the Mavericks current Roster than Harris.

The only one that will benefit from Kidd for the most part is Dirk, the others all play with the ball in their hands are are NOT mostly catch and shoot players.

Thus....it is a much different type of game, and the chemistry doesn't work.

THUS THEY ARE WORSE....as proven by their terrible record since the trade.

Trade failed !!!
DD

I agree man. It is depressing seeing us get destroyed in a trade. Huge difference between Harris and Kidd when they don't have the ball. No one respects Kidd's shooting and slashing while they will keep a close look on Harris's ability to move without the ball. Harris has fresh legs and it shows as Kidd looks sluggish a lot of the time.

[monosylab1k]

Watch the game tonight

I watch every Mavs game. You don't. off with your condescending bull . You were the one claiming Kidd dominates the ball, that Harris was better because he let Josh & Dirk create offense. Now that you've been proven wrong you're claiming that Kidd's problem is that he dumps it off and can't shoot. Everybody knows that's the problem. You're offering no insight whatsoever when you say that.

But you were ABSOLUTELY WRONG in your claim that Kidd dominates the ball and doesn't let Dirk & Josh create offense on their own. And now you refuse to admit it.

You can have whatever opinion of the Kidd trade that you want, but don't go telling fans who watch every game how the Mavs run their offense when you're completely wrong, and don't go acting like you know what's going on in the Dallas front office when there's people IN THE KNOW who are telling you otherwise.

No Mavs fan is insisting they know more about the Rockets than any Rockets fans. But for whatever reason Rocket Troll here has to act like an arrogant prick telling Mavs fans he knows more about the Mavs than they do. I'm done with this ing troll.

[DaDakota]

Condescending? Man are you one sensitive cow.

I mean sheesh, we are on a message board and discussing basketball and you are the one wratcheting up the BS, and tossing around names like there is no tomorrow.

And, instead of discussing all you do is go..."NO YOU ARE WRONG" and then call someone a name.

No actual discussion, just typical troll BS....

I am not surprised though, I am sure Mavs fans are having a very difficult time winning without Dirk and even when he was there losing with Kidd.....

No big deal, time will prove me right.....it usually does.

And I watch a good number of Mavs games too, rooting for them to lose...



DD

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Van Gundy is a great coach. He might not be in the upper echelon as the Pop's or Phil's out there, but he definitely gave the Rockets a defensive personality, and did a fairly good job of surrounding Yao with people that made him become the NBA force he is nowadays.
Now, that he didn't like V-Span or some other player, that's a different story. Larry Brown is undisputedly another great coach and we all know he basically do not play rookies, and had a lot of issues with players because of that. Having talent is not enough. Sometimes you need to be lucky too.

I not agree Van Gundy is good coach. He have 2 plays on offense. Give ball T-Mac and let him shoot or pass to you then you shoot or give ball to Yao and let him shoot or pass to you then you shoot. In fact if any player dare not run only these two play he be "doggie house".

If you think such thing make "great coach" this is opinion you have but any person who understand game of basketball will laugh at this opinion. I see many fan of Spurs on forum here say Popovich respect Van Gundy and say he is great coach. Maybe fan here not understand what type person van Gundy is and maybe Popovich do?

Van Gundy have some mental disorder the Napoleon disorder. Popovich can say what he want but he obvious not know what type person he is talk about.

[mavsfan1000]

I watch every Mavs game. You don't. off with your condescending bull . You were the one claiming Kidd dominates the ball, that Harris was better because he let Josh & Dirk create offense. Now that you've been proven wrong you're claiming that Kidd's problem is that he dumps it off and can't shoot. Everybody knows that's the problem. You're offering no insight whatsoever when you say that.

But you were ABSOLUTELY WRONG in your claim that Kidd dominates the ball and doesn't let Dirk & Josh create offense on their own. And now you refuse to admit it.

You can have whatever opinion of the Kidd trade that you want, but don't go telling fans who watch every game how the Mavs run their offense when you're completely wrong, and don't go acting like you know what's going on in the Dallas front office when there's people IN THE KNOW who are telling you otherwise.

No Mavs fan is insisting they know more about the Rockets than any Rockets fans. But for whatever reason Rocket Troll here has to act like an arrogant prick telling Mavs fans he knows more about the Mavs than they do. I'm done with this ing troll.

Kidd dominating the ball is the only way that he can be effective as like I said already, teams will leave him open and don't respect his slashing ability enough. This makes isolation plays tougher on Howard. My theory on why he is struggling. Spacing is worse now. I'll give it to Kidd that his defense is actually pretty good but he actually hurts our offense. We were just fine at the point guard but the 2 guard position is what we needed to upgrade.

[monosylab1k]

Kidd dominating the ball is the only way that he can be effective as like I said already, teams will leave him open and don't respect his slashing ability enough.

Absolutely right. The team needs to run more motion and let Kidd create for others, instead of Kidd dumping it off and planting himself at the 3-point line and let the team play 4 on 5.

The whole point is that Rocket Troll is saying that Kidd dominates the ball and doesn't let Josh or Dirk create offense, which is completely and utterly false, because Kidd is deferring to Josh & Dirk so much that it's hurting the team.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Condescending? Man are you one sensitive cow.

I mean sheesh, we are on a message board and discussing basketball and you are the one wratcheting up the BS, and tossing around names like there is no tomorrow.

And, instead of discussing all you do is go..."NO YOU ARE WRONG" and then call someone a name.

No actual discussion, just typical troll BS....

I am not surprised though, I am sure Mavs fans are having a very difficult time winning without Dirk and even when he was there losing with Kidd.....

No big deal, time will prove me right.....it usually does.

And I watch a good number of Mavs games too, rooting for them to lose...



DD

Not get trouble by him. Read thing he write and also how he says such thing. he is same exact type fan as the Sam Fisher of the clutch site.

[DaDakota]

Well Mono, that is your opinion, and I have spoken mine.....of course I did it with a lot less cursing and name calling whereas you were pretty trollish, but hey, you can take consolation in knowing that the Mavs beat the Rockets 3-1 in this season's series, of course that was with Devin Harris at the point, but....hey maybe a 36 year old Kidd with bad knees will come in and suddenly discover a jump shot.

But, I doubt it.....Cuban blew it...and you Mavs fans will pay, and the Rockets are just starting their run.......life is good.

And Kill Bill I see the similarities, I wish this board would boot people who talk like that, it shows a serious lack of intelligence.

DD

[Evan]

it was a wash

[RonMexico]

Honestly, no one answered me: who is Jason Kidd?

[monosylab1k]

Did someone say something? Probably not worth reading.

[DaDakota]

Awesome, one less troll to worry about.....I respect most people who want to discuss ball, but cursing someone out, and basically being rude is inexcusable.

Good Riddance Monosylab1k, glad to have hardly known ya.

DD

[mavsfan1000]

Awesome, one less troll to worry about.....I respect most people who want to discuss ball, but cursing someone out, and basically being rude is inexcusable.

Good Riddance Monosylab1k, glad to have hardly known ya.

DD

[DaDakota]

He won't be able to avoid it.....he is too sensitive....lol, thanks for the quote Mavsfan1000.

Cue the angry curse word filled retort.....which will sound like...

WAH .....WAH.....WAH......I know more about the Mavs.....Wah....wah....wah......no one can have a different opinion about my team...wah...wah....wah.....



DD

[tlongII]

I'd have to say the Kidd trade was a disaster for the Mavs. Kidd has always been overrated imo. I don't get the fascination with a point guard that can't shoot. And to trade an up and coming prospect like Harris for an over-the-hill Kidd is mind-boggling.

[monosylab1k]

I'd have to say the Kidd trade was a disaster for the Mavs. Kidd has always been overrated imo. I don't get the fascination with a point guard that can't shoot. And to trade an up and coming prospect like Harris for an over-the-hill Kidd is mind-boggling.

I respect your opinion. It certainly has some validity.

And thank you for not acting like you're an expert on the Dallas Mavericks and then immediately claiming the Mavs don't let Josh Howard create his shot when anybody who watches the Mavericks would know otherwise.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I'd have to say the Kidd trade was a disaster for the Mavs. Kidd has always been overrated imo. I don't get the fascination with a point guard that can't shoot. And to trade an up and coming prospect like Harris for an over-the-hill Kidd is mind-boggling.

Yes this how I see too. But word disaster is strong word. This team have Dirk and also very good role players and Howard is good player. Kidd is very experience point guard. It not disaster it just not trade that make team so much better.

[monosylab1k]

and mavsfan1000, why don't you take your long-suffering history as a 4 year long Mavs fan, your hate of Michael Finley and stupid assertion that he was never that good, and go yourself, mkay?

[DaDakota]

I respect your opinion. It certainly has some validity.

And thank you for not acting like you're an expert on the Dallas Mavericks and then immediately claiming the Mavs don't let Josh Howard create his shot when anybody who watches the Mavericks would know otherwise.

Oh, now he tries to play nice, must have taken the bi-polar medicine. Funny how he thinks I claimed to be an expert...hardly, I just stated my case as to why they are struggling post trade.

He just doesn't agree....so he hides, like a coward.

and mavsfan1000, why don't you take your long-suffering history as a 4 year long Mavs fan, your hate of Michael Finley and stupid assertion that he was never that good, and go yourself, mkay?

Ah that is better, he comes back cursing again, showing that he is still the first 2 letters short of Class.


DD

[monosylab1k]

OH , DID I MISS SOMETHING IMPORTANT!!!!

nah...

[mavsfan1000]

He won't be able to avoid it.....he is too sensitive....lol, thanks for the quote Mavsfan1000.

Cue the angry curse word filled retort.....which will sound like...

WAH .....WAH.....WAH......I know more about the Mavs.....Wah....wah....wah......no one can have a different opinion about my team...wah...wah....wah.....



DD

Here you go Mono.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Kidd is more compe or type player in playoff than Harris is though this is true I believe.

[monosylab1k]

Here you go Mono.

Hey tell us all about your favorite moments from the 1997 season.....OH WAIT you weren't a fan back then. But you can certainly tell us all about how Finley sucked, right?