Kidd Trade - Good or bad?

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And the thing I don't understand is how people rave about his defense, his defense seems pretty sub par to me, he can get a couple of blocks but all he does is usually just wack the out of the person driving to the rim. I would take Damp's defense to Shaq's anyday. If Damp only had some better hands he would be a double double man.

Shaq's defense relies a lot on the intimidation factor, which is partly due to his size, at ude, and the way he wacks the out of people. I agree that Damp actually has better defensive skills, but his problem is that people aren't scared as him the way they are of Shaq. My biggest issue with Damp is that when he fouls people, he just gives weak bumps and pushes, instead of knocking their ass to the floor. if he did that the way Shaq did, people would be a lot more reluctant to drive on him.

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correction he was a maverick AFTER the all star break ... And ditto, there were no big men to be gotten. If you can name one, then we can talk otherwise you're just saying the same thing mavs fans have been saying for almost 10+ years now. Whether you think so or not, this team had run its course as was constructed and wasnt responsive anymore. It needed new direction and i think they accomplished that with jason.Im sorry but harris wasnt all that. He's a good player but he wasnt getting the job done here. When you have a dominating big man or guard, then maybe you can get by without a true point. But thats not the case here and so we needed a play maker. [something which this team had desperately lacked since the departure of nash] The same old iso offense is not going to get it done anymore.

You remember the GS series? They basically zoned the out of dallas and forced them to make plays. And we didnt have someone that could do that. Since then every team in the NBA had employed the zone against dallas with great success. But with the addition of kidd, they seemed to have solved that problem. He, simply put, up'd the BBAll IQ about 100% on this team.

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He, simply put, up'd the BBAll IQ about 100% on this team.

Let me know when that translates to wins.

[monosylab1k]

The trade isn't a disaster unless there's no championship in Dallas AND Harris wins one in New Jersey.

Otherwise, it was a trade that the team needed to make. They weren't winning anything as previously constructed. They may still not win anything, but the Kidd trade isn't "bad" unless Harris somehow magically turns into a PG capable of leading a team to a le (something that he is definitely NOT right now).

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Shaq's defense relies a lot on the intimidation factor, which is partly due to his size, at ude, and the way he wacks the out of people. I agree that Damp actually has better defensive skills, but his problem is that people aren't scared as him the way they are of Shaq. My biggest issue with Damp is that when he fouls people, he just gives weak bumps and pushes, instead of knocking their ass to the floor. if he did that the way Shaq did, people would be a lot more reluctant to drive on him.

Yea good point and the other thing is that Shaq is way more respected by the refs than Damp. If you saw the last two times the spurs and suns played you would see Shaq hacking the out of Duncan with no call. If that was Damp he would have fouled out in the 2nd quarter., and btw did you see the move Damp put on Amare on sunday? I lol'ed, he did a fake spin and a fallway jumper. Mono started a whole thread about that move lol.

[monosylab1k]

Let me know when that translates to wins.

It has.

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And you are mistaken. The trade wasn't completed until after the all-star break.

So it was only 26 days between the Lakers game and the New Orleans game. I don't know what I was thinking when I said a month.

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It has.

Oh yeah, you're right. They've beaten two winning teams now since Kidd arrived. You should be as excited about the post season as I am after watching the last couple of Spurs performances. Of course, since it looks like the teams are going to meet then one of them has to advance. I guess.

[monosylab1k]

So it was only 26 days between the Lakers game and the New Orleans game. I don't know what I was thinking when I said a month.

I guess in those 26 days you missed the games against Detroit, Philly, and the Kidd-led Nets. You know, the games where Dirk played like and the Mavs lost. But you're right he "turned it on" before Kidd got here.

[monosylab1k]

They've beaten two winning teams now since Kidd arrived.

Last I checked those two got put into the win column. Just sayin.

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I guess in those 26 days you missed the games against Detroit, Milwaukee, Philly, and the Kidd-led Nets. You know, the games where Dirk played like and the Mavs lost. But you're right he "turned it on" before Kidd got here.

I guess you were always going to be able to cherry pick four games out of that to try to make it mean something. If you aren't going to give the superstar of your own team credit for being a leader, I'm not going to try to convince you. Given the track record, I guess that means the honeymoon will be over for Kidd eventually too.

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Last I checked those two got put into the win column. Just sayin.

That's why I acknowledged it. I literally forgot about the Golden State game, which was a complete ass whipping. If the Mavs go on a run, that'll probably be looked back as the "turnaround" game, since it looked the most like last year's team I've seen all season.

[mavsfan1000]

The trade isn't a disaster unless there's no championship in Dallas AND Harris wins one in New Jersey.

Otherwise, it was a trade that the team needed to make. They weren't winning anything as previously constructed. They may still not win anything, but the Kidd trade isn't "bad" unless Harris somehow magically turns into a PG capable of leading a team to a le (something that he is definitely NOT right now).

Dude are you still saying this crap? The mavs were winning much more with Harris. 29-13 is what they were and they were playing their best ball in January. That team might not have won it all but they have a much better chance than the team now constructed. Point guard is not the position we needed to change. It was shooting guard.

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Takes adjustment man. I think Kidd should be the least of your worries after seeing that game last night.

[monosylab1k]

they were playing their best ball in January.

Take a look at their schedule in January. It was about as cupcake as it gets.

The team was playing in a malaise all year and the Kidd trade shook them out of it. Early returns weren't good, but overall the team is much more compe ive. The only guy who hasn't adjusted to the trade is Avery.

[mavsfan1000]

Take a look at their schedule in January. It was about as cupcake as it gets.

The team was playing in a malaise all year and the Kidd trade shook them out of it. Early returns weren't good, but overall the team is much more compe ive. The only guy who hasn't adjusted to the trade is Avery.

With Kidd, this team is way too reliant on the jump shot. Harris was our only consistent slasher. If Terry and Bass were the trade, I would love the trade as we need to keep our only slasher in a team that relies too heavily on jump shots and keep our interior defense.

[monosylab1k]

With Kidd, this team is way too reliant on the jump shot. Harris was our only consistent slasher. If Terry and Bass were the trade, I would love the trade as we need to keep our only slasher in a team that relies too heavily on jump shots and keep our interior defense.

first you say we needed a SG, then you say you're willing to trade our best SG for another PG? dude get your story straight.

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Dude are you still saying this crap? The mavs were winning much more with Harris. 29-13 is what they were and they were playing their best ball in January. That team might not have won it all but they have a much better chance than the team now constructed. Point guard is not the position we needed to change. It was shooting guard.

technically the suns were just fine without shaq, but i wonder why they made THAT trade ... Exactly what makes you think Diop and harris would better help this team to win a championship than the same team with Wright, Allen and Kidd?

Wha just because harris is fast?? How often does he get in foul trouble in the 1st and how often is he overpowered and over matched by the people he's called to guard? You don't have those problems with Kidd. So what, harris can shoot a little better. Now what else does he do thats better than Jason.

[he's younger?] yes that'll win us a championship this year or next ...

[mavsfan1000]

first you say we needed a SG, then you say you're willing to trade our best SG for another PG? dude get your story straight.

Harris can play shooting guard beside Kidd. Harris would be our best shooting guard than and it would be awesome on defense.

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So it was only 26 days between the Lakers game and the New Orleans game. I don't know what I was thinking when I said a month.

what the are you talking about?

[monosylab1k]

Harris can play shooting guard beside Kidd.

[Indazone]

The only way to make the Kidd Trade work is if you get a real coach and then somehow convince Orlando to give you Howard. Otherwise...well the rest is history.

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Seriously, look at the jumpshots they're getting. WIDE FREAKING OPEN. Don't worry about teh slash because josh is back to that role now. Now you wanna trade bass AND terry? Terry's one of out best shooters! And bass is a great power guy inside [thought he doesn't offer much in the way of defense.] but bass is weird in a sense that he CAN guard 3's 4's and some 5's.

[monosylab1k]

I'm not sure which is the more stupid comment, "+/- is the only stat that matters" or "harris can play shooting guard".

[mavsfan1000]

technically the suns were just fine without shaq, but i wonder why they made THAT trade ... Exactly what makes you think Diop and harris would better help this team to win a championship than the same team with Wright, Allen and Kidd?

Wha just because harris is fast?? How often does he get in foul trouble in the 1st and how often is he overpowered and over matched by the people he's called to guard? You don't have those problems with Kidd. So what, harris can shoot a little better. Now what else does he do thats better than Jason.

[he's younger?] yes that'll win us a championship this year or next ...

He can get to the basket at will a heck lot better than Kidd can. Kidd has trouble with fast point guards like Tony Parker and Chris Paul. 2 teams we will likely face. Kidd can't play with Devean George since we can't have 3 non scoring threats according to Avery.