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    I think CMB is their guy. He has some Devin in him in terms of developmental trajectory on offense plus career arc. Fit matters less if he is a completely different player in the future.

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    Notes

    Asa Newell grades as one of the only good offensive rebounders in this class but at 13.5 def reb % he grades as a well below average (15%) rebounder on defense.

    I don't agree to that kind of evaluation. if a player is well above average at offensive rebounds (those are usually contested at a higher rate) and the same player is well below average at defensive rebounds, my first tought would be, that there is a reason within the teams positioning and roles on defense.
    there is either Godfrey or Cyril with him on the court, who both get def rebs at a higher rate, but get far less off rebs. I would assume that Asa is the guy to run, in situations, when the robound isn't contested anyway. and Georgia plays with two big guards, who rebound well enough.
    so, after looking at it from another angle, I would think Asa is a decent to good rebounder, no matter what the numbers tell. and he will add strenght and get even better in that department.

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    I don't agree to that kind of evaluation. if a player is well above average at offensive rebounds (those are usually contested at a higher rate) and the same player is well below average at defensive rebounds, my first tought would be, that there is a reason within the teams positioning and roles on defense.
    there is either Godfrey or Cyril with him on the court, who both get def rebs at a higher rate, but get far less off rebs. I would assume that Asa is the guy to run, in situations, when the robound isn't contested anyway. and Georgia plays with two big guards, who rebound well enough.
    so, after looking at it from another angle, I would think Asa is a decent to good rebounder, no matter what the numbers tell. and he will add strenght and get even better in that department.

    Defensive Rebounding Percentage (DRB%) is a basketball statistic that measures a team's or player's ability to grab rebounds on the defensive end of the court. It's calculated by dividing the number of defensive rebounds by the total number of defensive rebounds plus the opponent's offensive rebounds, and then multiplying by 100. Essentially, it shows what percentage of available defensive rebounds a team or player is able to secure.

    A lot of it is determined by opportunity so you could be right. Watching I didn’t necessarily see him as a force on the boards though.

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    Thank you Scottspurs for your nice analysis!

    Who would you pick based on your data? Just curious.

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    I’ve had Queen as a top 5 talent for a while now, just see my past posts.
    His feel for the game, post skills, rebounding, and size make him a high ceiling prospect.
    I have Flagg, then Harper, and then I see a 3way time between Queen, Edgecomb, and Bailey.
    The tiebrealer depends on what you need.
    The Spurs need forwards and a big. To me that means Queen ahead of Bailey.
    I’d be ok picking Queen 3rd.
    Im definitely ok taking him 8th.

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    I know the Spurs have Fox and Castle but really the idea of picking up Jase richardson if they can get him with the their 2nd pick in round 1. I think playing in the Izzo systems might have lowered the ceiling on him. I rather have him than Fears or the Juc dude from Illinois.

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    Kon Knueppel has brothers named Klay, Kole, and Klint. Jesus Christ, white people.

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    im not as high on richardson as a lot of people. to me he's more of an undersized SG than a point guard. but cant deny he is a very efficient 3 level scorer with really good touch in the interior/midrange with floaters and stuff. i dont think he does enough creation to be considered a point guard. some people say he was held back by the system there and wasnt asked to do point guard things, but i didnt see many signs of playmaking during the tourney

    with that said, having a jumbo sized PG like Castle is the antidote for that weakness, as they can cross-match defensively. i could see him being a good 6th man scorer.

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    Kon Knueppel has brothers named Klay, Kole, and Klint. Jesus Christ, white people.

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    im not as high on richardson as a lot of people. to me he's more of an undersized SG than a point guard. but cant deny he is a very efficient 3 level scorer with really good touch in the interior/midrange with floaters and stuff. i dont think he does enough creation to be considered a point guard. some people say he was held back by the system there and wasnt asked to do point guard things, but i didnt see many signs of playmaking during the tourney

    with that said, having a jumbo sized PG like Castle is the antidote for that weakness, as they can cross-match defensively. i could see him being a good 6th man scorer.
    I think that's fair but where we're picking, the productive ball handlers are typically going to be shorter. But I think 6'2 scorers are still useful and good value in the teens. It feels like every year there's a good player just like Richardson that is picked in the teens. I'm thinking of Maxey and McCain to name a few...

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    I also appreciate Queen, another archetype that is sometimes undervalued: Fat Guy with Skills.

    I just don't know how well he fits on the team, or rather how much more patience I have for another player who will either go underutilized or thrust into an inappropriate role. I don't trust our coaches to make Queen work. basically.

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    Kon Knueppel has brothers named Klay, Kole, and Klint. Jesus Christ, white people.
    not exaclty. It’s in fact four brothers and they are named Kinston, Kash, Kidman and Kager. doesn‘t make it sound less weird I guess.

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    I think that's fair but where we're picking, the productive ball handlers are typically going to be shorter. But I think 6'2 scorers are still useful and good value in the teens. It feels like every year there's a good player just like Richardson that is picked in the teens. I'm thinking of Maxey and McCain to name a few...
    for sure. i just think we should be prioritizing wing shooting/size. i'd rather end up with bryant/fleming than richardson with the hawks pick. and i'd probably like sorber more as well. i think backup C is more dire than a backup small guard (particularly if Kon is a viable target with our earlier pick)

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    Kon Knueppel has brothers named Klay, Kole, and Klint. Jesus Christ, white people.
    What are their middle names... because... those parents might be trying to say something here that maybe the Spurs would be best avoiding...

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    What are their middle names... because... those parents might be trying to say something here that maybe the Spurs would be best avoiding...
    We have David Duke, we'll be fine.

    Kon is just Kon the second, no middle name.

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    What are their middle names... because... those parents might be trying to say something here that maybe the Spurs would be best avoiding...
    I don‘t think they had enough ideas for middle names when they named their last kid …….Kid.

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    I have to agree in that Wemby is never going to be a down low center as he likes playing way outside and since he doesn’t have foot speed to beat people off the dribble he will mostly throw up a 3 ball. To me the biggest issue is will we have a smart enough coach to design a better offense and defense around Wemby but since this is about the draft I will keep my focus on it.

    One thing I have come to understand is that that there is just one ball to go around and since we have Fox, Castle, and Wemby needing touches who ever we get is going to have to be able to make smart decisions and be able to shoot within a few seconds. It is going to be really interesting to see these players at the combine to see really what there measurements are. In the case of Queen if he shows up 20 pounds lighter he will probably go top 7 pretty easy if teams don’t get any Zion vibes from him. As far as this drafts lots of ways to go just really hope we have our new coach signed before we draft

    First pick - Nipples, Queenie, and Fear
    Hawks pick - Bryant, Dem, Flemming, Saraf, Liam

    I think I'm coming around to Kon. Just trying to convince myself spurs will be missing out on a high reward player, but I think spurs' floor definitely gets lifted, and maybe that's more important.

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    I think I'm coming around to Kon. Just trying to convince myself spurs will be missing out on a high reward player, but I think spurs' floor definitely gets lifted, and maybe that's more important.
    By getting high floor players, it sets up our high ceiling players up for success. Giving Castle and Wemby a reliable player to pass to and easily count on will be way better than a player who constantly makes mistakes. I think we were spoiled last year by Castle who got on the court and exceeded expectations all the time. That’s not normal for a rookie. He was able to do that because he was technically a high floor guy too. Get another one of those and enjoy the fireworks.

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    Thank you Scottspurs for your nice analysis!

    Who would you pick based on your data? Just curious.
    Cooper Flagg lol I kid I kid.

    I’m assuming you mean if the Spurs pick at 8 and 15. Personally I want to take one last swing with the 8th pick so I’m all in on Derik Queen. I keep hearing about how bad of a defender he is blah blah blah. He plays a lot of really great defense on tape though and the metrics agree. The problem came when he fatigued because he was a “fat kid” his entire life and now he is taking care of his body and becoming more and more of an athlete. He may not be there at 8 though in which case I’m perfectly fine with Knueppel or Tre Johnson. If all three are gone which could happen especially if they get leaped and fall to 9 I say take a chance on Collin Murray-Boyles. He just does so many different things and I’m sure he can find a role on the team. If everything clicks he has the most potential.

    With pick 15 I want a more pro ready player. Yaxel Lendeborg, Nique Clifford, Rasheer Fleming, Sion James or Cedric Coward. Also definitely down for some Thomas Sorber at 15 should he make it there. I actually started watching Essengue today and I like him too.

    Short answer is Derik Queen and Nique Clifford.

    In a dream world Hawks lose on Friday. Spurs move up to pick 1 and 2. Game over. Take Flagg field calls for 2. Ask for the world. Get 2 or 3 more future unprotected 1sts from a bad team. Win the next 10 championships.

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    im not as high on richardson as a lot of people. to me he's more of an undersized SG than a point guard. but cant deny he is a very efficient 3 level scorer with really good touch in the interior/midrange with floaters and stuff. i dont think he does enough creation to be considered a point guard. some people say he was held back by the system there and wasnt asked to do point guard things, but i didnt see many signs of playmaking during the tourney

    with that said, having a jumbo sized PG like Castle is the antidote for that weakness, as they can cross-match defensively. i could see him being a good 6th man scorer.
    That's what he is right now. If he develops his PG skills he'll be a Fox replacement in a few years. If he doesn't he'd look great next to Castle coming off the bench.

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