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    grain of salt

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    “He’s listed at 6’9”, I hear he’s like 6’11”.” -@NBADraftWass on Franz Wagner
    9:42am · 12 Jul 2021 · Twitter for iPhone


    Sadly, if this is the way he speaks to teams during interviews, there is no way he’s going to be there at #12. Sounds like he has a true basketball mind.

    He’s a better prospect than Patrick Williams last year and would have been chosen top 5.

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    Sadly, if this is the way he speaks to teams during interviews, there is no way he’s going to be there at #12. Sounds like he has a true basketball mind.

    He’s a better prospect than Patrick Williams last year and would have been chosen top 5.
    Yep... I still maintain that if his 3 pt % can get to 38% that he has a chance to be the best player in this draft.

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    Per the athletic this morning:


    • NBA Draft: Villanova forward Jeremiah Robinson-Earl has impressed teams, including New Orleans, as he continues to solidify a potential first-round position.

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    Giddey high will be Vinny Del Negro - His floor will be Loyd Daniels.
    I focussed on Giddey during warmups before US v Australia. He was hitting all his shots with confidence. Three pointers, mid range, all of them. That's the concern, right? If so, that was a good sign.

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    This really makes a great point. If he's there at 12 I think he is who you roll the dice with. Comps are great compared to Embid, Simmons, Kawhi, Griffen, etc. in a better league at a younger age.

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    Sadly, if this is the way he speaks to teams during interviews, there is no way he’s going to be there at #12. Sounds like he has a true basketball mind.

    He’s a better prospect than Patrick Williams last year and would have been chosen top 5.
    He could go #5 this year.

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    Sadly, if this is the way he speaks to teams during interviews, there is no way he’s going to be there at #12. Sounds like he has a true basketball mind.

    He’s a better prospect than Patrick Williams last year and would have been chosen top 5.
    Great point. He’s a keeper at ude and mentality-wise.
    I can’t imagine Golden State passing on him at 7 if he’s there. Seems like a perfect fit for their schemes.

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    If Sengun is available at #12, you take him, you absolutely have to. Don't know if the Spurs do, but they should. The only reasons he's not projected in the top 5, or 3, or even going number one are questions about defending in space and size and strength. That's it. Like, literally he's going to become a knockdown outside shooter. He's going to cause so much pain on defenses, meanwhile, it's hard to imagine. Now, it's a particularity of this draft that I'm not sure anyone projected in the top 10 will be an obvious star, but that just makes Sengun that muh more obvious.

    The things that stick out to me above others:
    1. His motor. The guy flies around. He's not some stuck-in-the-mud, plodding center, he has a fire.
    2. His free throw rate. Guy shot over six free throws a game and that was just on shot attempts. Knocked down 81% of them, by the way.
    3. He gets into his post moves extremely fast. In an era where post moves are nearly obsolete, making Barkley-style pounding the ball style post-ups very rare, Sengun gets into his moves super-quickly. LMA would pound the ball, pound it, then take a fadeaway. Sengun seems to sense the leans of his defender and just starts his actions without hesitation. This makes his posts and footwork actually a tool, whether a dump-down or if he catches on a pick-n-roll.

    Not to mention passing, a very high basketball IQ, shotblocking, etc. While other teams are salivating over Jonathan Kaminga (why??) and hoping Bouknight becomes a Ja Morant (could certainly do), Sengun is hard to pass up to me.

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    If Sengun is available at #12, you take him, you absolutely have to. Don't know if the Spurs do, but they should. The only reasons he's not projected in the top 5, or 3, or even going number one are questions about defending in space and size and strength. That's it. Like, literally he's going to become a knockdown outside shooter. He's going to cause so much pain on defenses, meanwhile, it's hard to imagine. Now, it's a particularity of this draft that I'm not sure anyone projected in the top 10 will be an obvious star, but that just makes Sengun that muh more obvious.

    The things that stick out to me above others:
    1. His motor. The guy flies around. He's not some stuck-in-the-mud, plodding center, he has a fire.
    2. His free throw rate. Guy shot over six free throws a game and that was just on shot attempts. Knocked down 81% of them, by the way.
    3. He gets into his post moves extremely fast. In an era where post moves are nearly obsolete, making Barkley-style pounding the ball style post-ups very rare, Sengun gets into his moves super-quickly. LMA would pound the ball, pound it, then take a fadeaway. Sengun seems to sense the leans of his defender and just starts his actions without hesitation. This makes his posts and footwork actually a tool, whether a dump-down or if he catches on a pick-n-roll.

    Not to mention passing, a very high basketball IQ, shotblocking, etc. While other teams are salivating over Jonathan Kaminga (why??) and hoping Bouknight becomes a Ja Morant (could certainly do), Sengun is hard to pass up to me.
    solid post and as you can guess, I agree with everyone word. when I posted my hope the Spurs drafted him, he seemed to be flying under the radar. that's no longer the case. in fact I bet he goes in the top 10 now if not top 5. and that's with most mock drafts having him go in the late teens to twenties or even the second round.

    they're starting to compare him to Jokic. very, very doubtful he falls to 12. I'd love to see PATFO move up to take him if possible.

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    Kid looks like he's slimmed up. Growth spurt maybe?

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    i like sengun at 12 and i'd probably rate him as my preference but i'm starting to think he's off the board by 12.

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    I'm now ok with Sengun too after reading that article above. No one in this draft is guaranteed to be an all star. But Sengun and Kai Jones are two of those who have a chance if they reach their ceilings. I feel at least one of them will be there at 12th Spot. Go Spurs go!

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    Murphy, IMO, is a Bertans level shooter with upside on defense. His shot release is so quick.

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    My main takeaway from the choices at 12 is that we will get a very decent prospect in all likelihood.
    It will be so interesting to see how it shakes out and what the Spurs do.

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    Murphy, IMO, is a Bertans level shooter with upside on defense. His shot release is so quick.
    The same site previously posted about Sengun had a post about Trey Murphy. Taken with a grain of salt, but he points out how Virginia had to hide him on defense, he was prone to inattention and lapses, and as we've mentioned he's not a good rebounder at all. Just points to take in.

    https://deanondraft.com/2021/07/07/i...tch-4-sleeper/

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    The same site previously posted about Sengun had a post about Trey Murphy. Taken with a grain of salt, but he points out how Virginia had to hide him on defense, he was prone to inattention and lapses, and as we've mentioned he's not a good rebounder at all. Just points to take in.

    https://deanondraft.com/2021/07/07/i...tch-4-sleeper/
    If he is a good rebounder, he would be a top 6 or top 8 pick. I hope we can ask Lakers to pick him and then S&T with us. This draft has so many good prospects, I really hope we can at at least 2 first round picks.

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    My main takeaway from the choices at 12 is that we will get a very decent prospect in all likelihood.
    It will be so interesting to see how it shakes out and what the Spurs do.
    It's a better draft than many, although I don't think there are sure-fire hits. I absolutely, totally do not believe in the G-League guys, especially Kuminga. I think a good number of mid-lottery teams will make bad mistakes like there always are, resulting in a small basket of good prospects dropping to SAS. Of course what the team wants isn't clear.

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    If he is a good rebounder, he would be a top 6 or top 8 pick. I hope we can ask Lakers to pick him and then S&T with us. This draft has so many good prospects, I really hope we can at at least 2 first round picks.
    Yeah, he gets one rebound every 10 minutes on the floor, which seems crazy for a guy who's nearly 6'10".

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    Yeah, he gets one rebound every 10 minutes on the floor, which seems crazy for a guy who's nearly 6'10".
    He’s not perfect, or complete. If he were, he wouldn’t be a late first rounder. We have rebounding, in spades. What we don’t have is ing SHOOTING. His goddammed shooting line is 50/43/93.

    Perhaps we’re being a bit nit picky?

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    He’s not perfect, or complete. If he were, he wouldn’t be a late first rounder. We have rebounding, in spades. What we don’t have is ing SHOOTING. His goddammed shooting line is 50/43/93.

    Perhaps we’re being a bit nit picky?
    I mean, he's not perfect, but he's just a tall shooter and maybe not even anything else. As the account makes clear, he got burned a lot on defense and Bennett hid him on defense fairly often PLUS he couldn't even dribble out when he couldn't shoot:

    "Before anybody drafts Murphy in round 1, they need to seriously consider the risk that he is bad at all aspects of the game other than shooting. How sharp can it be to draft a prospect in round 1 who as an NCAA junior often matched up with the opponents’ worst offensive player AND worst defensive player?"

    Definitely not a lottery pick. May be great as a late first round, sure. But yes I'm going to be nitpicky about first round prospects.

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    Joe Wieskamp is getting more attention, certainly not as a lottery pick. Didn't hit fts well that great last year, strangely, but was good the previous year. Put up more threes per game, hit more of them, rebounded more. Kispert is getting lottery attention, although it may not be deserved. Wieskamp is creeping into the first round.

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    Joe Wieskamp is getting more attention, certainly not as a lottery pick. Didn't hit fts well that great last year, strangely, but was good the previous year. Put up more threes per game, hit more of them, rebounded more. Kispert is getting lottery attention, although it may not be deserved. Wieskamp is creeping into the first round.
    I like Wieskamp alot in the 20's... I like his game, his age (for that late 1st round pick), and that his athleticism is better than I thought.

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    Jalen Johnson | SF | 6-9 | 220 | Duke


    ESPN Top 100 ranking: No. 12

    What makes him polarizing?

    The wide range of opinions about Johnson are largely a product of the inconsistencies during his 13 games at Duke, combined with his impressive talent and versatility at 6-9. Without the foundation of USA Basketball tournaments or high school all-star games that were wiped out by COVID-19, scouts struggle with what to make of the variance in Johnson's performances in Durham.

    Can they expect the prospect who exploded for 24 points, 15 rebounds and 7 assists against Pittsburgh? Or was a 7-point, 7-rebound showing on 3-for-10 shooting in a loss to Illinois more indicative of the player we'll see at the next level? The truth likely lies somewhere in the middle, but it's clear that finding the right coach and organizational structure will play a big role in the type of player Johnson becomes in the NBA.

    Intriguing fit: San Antonio Spurs (12th overall)

    Not only are the Spurs in dire need of a big forward to complement Dejounte Murray, Derrick White, Keldon Johnson, Lonnie Walker and Devin Vassell, but Johnson could use a strong organization like San Antonio to help him show off his array of talents. Gregg Popovich could utilize the 6-9, 220-pound Johnson like a prime Boris Diaw, allowing him to push in transition, facilitate from different spots on the floor in the halfcourt and defend multiple positions without asking him to score too much early on in his career.

    Johnson's clear swing skill is his shooting, so having a legendary coach like Chip Engelland to help him iron out his release would be a match made in heaven. Popovich's ability to connect with all different types of personalities yet hold players accountable should be desirable for Johnson, who was once ranked as high as No. 4 on our top 100 and averaged an impressive 20.8 points, 11.2 rebounds, 4.2 assists, 2.1 steals and 2.3 blocks per 30 minutes at Duke.

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    Whiteside is a legit 7’0 so looks like Senguin’s listing of 6’9 is on the money.

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