Phoenix Suns expect to part ways with Kevin Durant this offseason. Could the Spurs be a good landing place?

[Ariel]

Once upon a time the Spurs got 4 FRPs for Dejounte. Delusion is in the eye of the buyer tbh

That never happened, it was 3 picks (one of which wasn't guaranteed to convey -- and didn't) plus a swap.

[KobesAchilles]

That never happened, it was 3 picks (one of which wasn't guaranteed to convey -- and didn't) plus a swap.

Semantics. The point is that there could be some stupid team out there that make that trade. And you’d never know unless you ask. Today NO would have to give up a FRP to get rid of DJ. Ffs they traded an unprotected 2026 FRP for McQueen. Other teams are stupid and do stupid things. The Bucks gave away their rights to their 28,29,30 FRPs to the Blazers WHILE trading away the better player in Holiday and then cut him and are on the hook for him for the next 5 seasons. Mikel Bridges (who has never sniffed an all star game in his life) got traded for 5 FRPs. You think the Nets said well we want 2 FRPs and the Knicks were like eh we will give you 5. No they probably asked for 5 FRPs for the dude and found the sucker team to take him.

[tbdog]

Semantics. The point is that there could be some stupid team out there that make that trade. And you’d never know unless you ask. Today NO would have to give up a FRP to get rid of DJ. Ffs they traded an unprotected 2026 FRP for McQueen. Other teams are stupid and do stupid things. The Bucks gave away their rights to their 28,29,30 FRPs to the Blazers WHILE trading away the better player in Holiday and then cut him and are on the hook for him for the next 5 seasons. Mikel Bridges (who has never sniffed an all star game in his life) got traded for 5 FRPs. You think the Nets said well we want 2 FRPs and the Knicks were like eh we will give you 5. No they probably asked for 5 FRPs for the dude and found the sucker team to take him.

Just on Bridges. It was his contract that was a huge plus. He was this elite 3&D player one a good contract, which meant the Knicks could fit other players into their team salary. Unfortunately his D never returned so his contract is about right now.

[KobesAchilles]

Just on Bridges. It was his contract that was a huge plus. He was this elite 3&D player one a good contract, which meant the Knicks could fit other players into their team salary. Unfortunately his D never returned so his contract is about right now.

I’m not saying he’s a bad player. But 5 draft picks? 5? You think any other team was that desperate if the Nets asked for 5 FRPs? They probably laughed and hung up. But not the Knicks

[talkspurs]

I’m not saying he’s a bad player. But 5 draft picks? 5? You think any other team was that desperate if the Nets asked for 5 FRPs? They probably laughed and hung up. But not the Knicks

You do realize we gave up 4 first for Fox right? I know several will disagree with me but I have never thought the fox trade was a good trade for us. He only has one all star game. I know some will say the Charlotte pick should not count as it would not convey but we also gave a couple good 2nd round picks.

[exstatic]

You do realize we gave up 4 first for Fox right? I know several will disagree with me but I have never thought the fox trade was a good trade for us. He only has one all star game. I know some will say the Charlotte pick should not count as it would not convey but we also gave a couple good 2nd round picks.

If you’re counting the Charlotte one, that’s foolishness. CHA was already clearly going to be in the lottery by the trade deadline. That was absolutely going to convey as two seconds. If we had kept the Chicago pick, the same thing would have happened. They only put on a finishing kick when they got their pick back. A 39-43 team finished 18-15, and made the play in.

[spurraider21]

If you’re counting the Charlotte one, that’s foolishness. CHA was already clearly going to be in the lottery by the trade deadline. That was absolutely going to convey as two seconds. If we had kept the Chicago pick, the same thing would have happened. They only put on a finishing kick when they got their pick back. A 39-43 team finished 18-15, and made the play in.

the trade was made in the offseason and there were 3 years worth of protections, so i dont think you can write it off in hindsight. even if it didnt seem likely at all to convey in 2023, two years past that is a long time

[talkspurs]

If you’re counting the Charlotte one, that’s foolishness. CHA was already clearly going to be in the lottery by the trade deadline. That was absolutely going to convey as two seconds. If we had kept the Chicago pick, the same thing would have happened. They only put on a finishing kick when they got their pick back. A 39-43 team finished 18-15, and made the play in.

Charlotte I was kind of excluding as I agree that one would not have conveyed. Chicago still had 2 more years to convey. Also when you look back it will still show as 4 first round picks.

[Seventyniner]

Charlotte I was kind of excluding as I agree that one would not have conveyed. Chicago still had 2 more years to convey. Also when you look back it will still show as 4 first round picks.

I would call it something like 2.7 or 2.8 firsts. CHA25 never had a chance, SA27 and MIN31 were guaranteed to convey, and CHI25(/26/27) had about a 70-80% chance of eventually conveying.

[Ariel]

If you’re counting the Charlotte one, that’s foolishness. CHA was already clearly going to be in the lottery by the trade deadline. That was absolutely going to convey as two seconds. If we had kept the Chicago pick, the same thing would have happened. They only put on a finishing kick when they got their pick back. A 39-43 team finished 18-15, and made the play in.

I agree with the Charlotte pick not conveying and the fact that sending Chicago their pick back had a huge influence in them falling outside protections, they probably would have tanked ever so slightly to fall within the protections. But that pick had a decent chance of conveying in the next couple of years. All in all, it's probably better portrayed as 3 firsts (one high variance -Minnesota-, one reasonably good -Chicago-, another low upside -Spurs-) plus 4 seconds (Charlotte pick counts as 2 seconds)

[Mr. Body]

You do realize we gave up 4 first for Fox right? I know several will disagree with me but I have never thought the fox trade was a good trade for us. He only has one all star game. I know some will say the Charlotte pick should not count as it would not convey but we also gave a couple good 2nd round picks.

I'm not a huge fan of Fox and think this may still turn out not that entirely great. But as others have said, it's really just the SAS's own pick a couple years from now and the Dillingham pick. Obviously that Minnesota pick could turn out to be really good, but probably not. The CHI pick would be late lotto at best this year or otherwise.

It's a really good deal, even if DAF is a vanishing archetype in the NBA, a poor-defense, non-PG, high volume scorer.

[KobesAchilles]

You do realize we gave up 4 first for Fox right? I know several will disagree with me but I have never thought the fox trade was a good trade for us. He only has one all star game. I know some will say the Charlotte pick should not count as it would not convey but we also gave a couple good 2nd round picks.

I do realize that. But what is slightly different between us and the Knicks is that we don’t give away 4 of our own draft picks. The Knicks literally gave up all their picks. We just gave up one of our own picks (in a season where we still have another pick) so it’s not quite the same. But yes on paper we traded away 4 FRPs.

Which is why it is smart for the Suns to ask for the moon. You never know which team will say yes.

[Uriel]

Yea PHX is high. This was never happening.

And the Spurs’ reported offer was what? Vassell, Barnes, and #14?

That means if the two sides had decided to meet in the middle, then the final trade would’ve been something like Vassell, Barnes, Sochan, #14, and a future first round pick.

Would that have been a good deal for the Spurs? Is it better than what the Suns got out of Houston?