Jimmer Fredette to the Spurs (Update: Mostly Non-Guaranteed Training Camp Deal)

[Spurtacular]

He was clearly attempting a joke. I showed my appreciation.

Sarcasm has been called the lowest form of communication. He was not joking.

[Mel_13]

Rewinding. The likes of Thornton, Evans, (Cousins) wanted IT getting Jimmer's spot. They saw him as the bigger threat to their minutes (not Cousins, he's just a hater).

You can choose to believe conspiracy theories. I don't.

Even if true, they don't account for Jimmer's failure with three other NBA franchises, nor do they account for Thomas' continued success after leaving Sacramento.

[Mel_13]

Then stay lost. Cos my statement was pretty straightforward.

Hardly.

[Spurtacular]

You can choose to believe conspiracy theories. I don't.

Even if true, they don't account for Jimmer's failure with three other NBA franchises, nor do they account for Thomas' continued success after leaving Sacramento.

Oh, I know you'd love to use terms like conspiracy theories to marginalize me. I'm telling you straight up what happened.

I think you want to overstate the reality of what happened in the aftermath of all that as well.

[Spurtacular]

Hardly.

Stay "lost" bro. Truth is ya know I trumped your lame argument is all.

[Mel_13]

Oh, I know you'd love to use terms like conspiracy theories to marginalize me. I'm telling you straight up what happened.

I think you want to overstate the reality of what happened in the aftermath of all that as well.

Overstated?

Jimmer has failed to stick with four separate NBA franchises and starts for the Westchester Knicks.

Thomas is the starting PG of the Boston Celtics and earns 7M per year.

Please, where is the overstatement?

[Mel_13]

Stay "lost" bro. Truth is ya know I trumped your lame argument is all.

Claim victory if it comforts you.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh, I know you'd love to use terms like conspiracy theories to marginalize me. I'm telling you straight up what happened.

I think you want to overstate the reality of what happened in the aftermath of all that as well.

Wow.

You really are serious about this.

Dude got waived by several teams. Maybe he'll get picked up by another one next month. He should probably be less of a chucker if he wants to stay in the NBA.

[tholdren]

Jimmer was College Player of the Year in 2011. I'm sure the trophy looks nice over his mom's fireplace.

He's in the Dleague now.

IT gets a check every two weeks based on a 7M annual salary. I'm sure it looks nice on his bank statements.

Whatever skill advantage Jimmer started with in the summer of 2011, it wasn't enough to overcome his other deficiencies. IT has overcome many disadvantages, most notably being only 5'9" tall, and is an established NBA player.

I'm not understanding your response. You state that JF was the better college player, which would then lend him to be the higher draft choice, yet you state that he had "other deficiencies." What are these, and why weren't they shown in college, when he won POY?

On a side note, the only thing that "height" has in a "disadvantage" are concepts thought of by fans who have never played and/or the-way-things-always-been syndrome. It would be hard for anyone to debate the fact that the smaller the player, if he is good, the more skill he has in comparison to taller players.

For instance, it shouldn't even be debatable that Prime TP is better than Prime LMA/Howard etc. In this particular case, an attacking PG is going to get you more, than a chucking PG. However, Steph Curry has actually taken the JF platform to new heights. And rightfully so, from an entertainment perspective.

[Mel_13]

I'm not understanding your response. You state that JF was the better college player, which would then lend him to be the higher draft choice, yet you state that he had "other deficiencies." What are these, and why weren't they shown in college, when he won POY?

On a side note, the only thing that "height" has in a "disadvantage" are concepts thought of by fans who have never played and/or the-way-things-always-been syndrome. It would be hard for anyone to debate the fact that the smaller the player, if he is good, the more skill he has in comparison to taller players.

For instance, it shouldn't even be debatable that Prime TP is better than Prime LMA/Howard etc. In this particular case, an attacking PG is going to get you more, than a chucking PG. However, Steph Curry has actually taken the JF platform to new heights. And rightfully so, from an entertainment perspective.

The deficiencies that have seen him unable to stick with four NBA franchises. Deficiencies that he was able to overcome against lesser compe ion.

[tholdren]

The deficiencies that have seen him unable to stick with four NBA franchises. Deficiencies that he was able to overcome against lesser compe ion.

I'm glad you're attempting to communicate your point, however, I would like to know what "other deficiencies" are and why they weren't shown in college.

Im well aware that he didnt stick, just answer the question.

[Spurtacular]

Wow.

You really are serious about this.

Dude got waived by several teams. Maybe he'll get picked up by another one next month. He should probably be less of a chucker if he wants to stay in the NBA.

A chucker? You don't even know what the you're talking about.

[Mel_13]

I'm glad you're attempting to communicate your point, however, I would like to know what "other deficiencies" are and why they weren't shown in college.

Im well aware that he didnt stick, just answer the question.

The people who get to judge have found Jimmer deficient in the package of attributes necessary to stick in the NBA. Repeatedly.

[tholdren]

The people who get to judge have found Jimmer deficient in the package of attributes necessary to stick in the NBA. Repeatedly.

and those attributes are....?

[HarlemHeat37]

And he should have been. He had a much better college career than IT. It's all about reps and confidence. You don't just fall off, after being an established college player. You come in, you force the issue, trying to make all of the plays, and when you don't, your confidence gets shaken.

From IT's perspective he came in and gained confidence right out of the gate. He outperformed and bumped JT. He keeps growing and plays with confidence in a run and gun style where he controls the ball a lot, gets a lot of easy assists, and attacks the basket.

Their level of confidence is on two different trajectories, and is the main reason why they are where they are. This one had more to do with all the extras than the skills. The mind is more powerful than the skills. See KL and his jumper.

Again, who would I rather have now - IT. Who is more skilled - ??

[Shastafarian]

and those attributes are....?

Being good at basketball. Holy this is unbelievable. Two NBA GMs here arguing that Jimmer is a star in the making. He's not. Get over it.

[Mel_13]

and those attributes are....?

Why are you so concerned with my speculation as to why Jimmer has failed? He has failed in the eyes of the people who matter. Repeatedly.

[Chinook]

I love the new "Jimmer would be great if only he were better line of reasoning." Dude's a bigger scrub than Austin Daye. Think about that for a minute.

[BillMc]

Since Jimmer isn't a Spur and won't be, can we move this non-ending thread to the NBA forum where it belongs? Mods?

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not understanding your response. You state that JF was the better college player, which would then lend him to be the higher draft choice, yet you state that he had "other deficiencies." What are these, and why weren't they shown in college, when he won POY?

On a side note, the only thing that "height" has in a "disadvantage" are concepts thought of by fans who have never played and/or the-way-things-always-been syndrome. It would be hard for anyone to debate the fact that the smaller the player, if he is good, the more skill he has in comparison to taller players.

For instance, it shouldn't even be debatable that Prime TP is better than Prime LMA/Howard etc. In this particular case, an attacking PG is going to get you more, than a chucking PG. However, Steph Curry has actually taken the JF platform to new heights. And rightfully so, from an entertainment perspective.

Curry has just been riding on Jimmer's coattails the entire time.

lol the JF platform

A chucker? You don't even know what the you're talking about.

Of course I do. Jimmer's chucking works up to a certain level of basketball. That level is the D-League.

And watch your language -- other Mormons are reading this. What would they think of you?

[Spurtacular]

Since Jimmer isn't a Spur and won't be, can we move this non-ending thread to the NBA forum where it belongs? Mods?

Plenty of Spurs talk going on here; more here than a lot of Spurs forum threads, tbh. Much more Spurs basketball talk than the Porker vs. Role Player Kawhi threads. Don't know why you're stressing one thread, tbh.

[Spurtacular]

Curry has just been riding on Jimmer's coattails the entire time.

lol the JF platform

You were responding to tholdren; but think you lost something in translation, dude.

Of course I do. Jimmer's chucking works up to a certain level of basketball. That level is the D-League.

Yea, I didn't think you knew what you were talking about either. You clearly are unfamiliar with the evolution of Jimmer's game.

[lilbthebasedgod]

Can we make this to 200? I know we can try!

[Lostwingman]

This is so ing sad.

[Spurtacular]

This is so ing sad.

Whose alt are you, anyways?