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have you served in any capacity? what wars have you been in?
We all know what Bush didn't do.
have you served in any capacity? what wars have you been in?
Two toursWhile Kerry may be able to 'technically' claim 2 tours in Nam to puff up his resume, he should avoid doing so, since his "two tours", while sounding impressive, actually worked out to a total of 3 1/2 months. Lucky Kerry. He didn't have to serve the same kind of "two tours" that my Dad served. That translated to 2 years and 8 months in Vietnam. And by that I mean IN Vietnam.
what does that have to do with anything? I mean, I applaud your dad for having had the will to get through an ordeal like that. God knows I would have had a mental breakdown lol. However, having served less time or more time is no way to measure a man.Two tours
I'm not even judging Kerry for only serving 3 1/2 months. But call it what it is. 3 1/2 months. Making claims of "I served two tours" is totally misleading, makes him look silly, and is also a little insulting to those who did serve two tours (ie..two +years)
I suppose you're right
The more she is there, the less I care. I was on her side in the beginning now she just pisses me off.
As for going to the vigil, were there hot chicks there? I've been thinking of going to one of those, were they the cool hippie chicks, or the fat ones.
Those fall under the cool hippie chicks, not expensive to feed and you don't have to do much to hit it.
How could i forget the rich ones rebelling against their conservative parents.
It's pretty clear that you've fallen for the Republican spin regarding Kerry's time in Vietnam. The guy was injured 3 times and received a Silver Cross and a purple hearts while putting his life up for his country so I think very few of us have the credibility to judge his actions in combat, especially when they are based largely on the word of a loud-mouth meglo-manic who skipped service in Nam because of a ass wart.
So Bush41 is a bad man because he escaped the fate of some other American flyboys in the Pacific.
How'd you map your trip to lunacy?
To be forwarded to Cindy Sheehan:
The Soldier's CreedI am an American Soldier.
I am a Warrior and a member of a team.
I serve the people of the United States and live the Army Values.
I will always place the mission first.
I will never accept defeat.
I will never quit.
I will never leave a fallen comrade.
I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills.
I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself.
I am an expert and I am a professional.
I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy the enemies of the United States of America in close combat.
I am a guardian of freedom and the American way of life.
I am an American Soldier.
http://www.army.mil/SoldiersCreed/flash_version/
I know only two tunes: one of them is "Yankee Doodle," and the other isn't.
Ulysses S. Grant
i'm sure you failed to read what the doctor who actually treated his wound... a purple heart for removal a splinter from his finger!
'Self-Inflicted Wounds'
No Dan, you're the one that fell for the hyperbole regarding his service."He's a rhinestone cowboy," said John O'Neill, a veteran who helped organize Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. "He literally is a guy who parades around and pretends to be something he's not. He was in Vietnam for four months; everyone else was there for a year. He obtained three Purple Hearts from self-inflicted wounds. And then he left."
uhh... I said nothing about his actions in combat. I said he was only in Viet Nam for 3 1/2 months, which is a fact, not some partisan tripe. Look it up. As far as his injuries, they were minor enough that most soldiers wouldn't even consider themselves wounded. My Dad had a bullet in his left hand and still has scars on his forearm from schrapnel, but he never really considered himself as "wounded" or even put himself up for medals (as John Kerry did) because he didn't think his injuries were significant. Lots of guys had worse injuries than Kerry but didn't get medals because they felt the same way. I saw an interview with one of John Kerry's commanders who said he was surprised when he saw when Kerry reported his "injury" which the commander thought was too minor to even fill out paperwork for. Other people who served with him claim that one of his injuries was self-inflicted. No one really knows but the people who were there, but obviously there's a descrepancy.
I'm not saying Kerry should be ashamed of his service or that he would have been a better man had he sustained real injuries. I'm saying that he and his zombie followers should not exaggerate and try to fabricate or exploit Kerry's war record. It makes him look like a phony and it isn't even necessary. Neither Bush nor Clinton served in Vietnam.
As far as the loud-mouth megalomaniac(s) who have been passing judgment on Kerry's war record for the past thirty years (none of this is new)...Bush was not among them. The main guy who has been going after Kerry since the end of Vietnam is a swift boat vet. He, along with many other vets have been sworn Kerry haters since Kerry made accusations against his fellow soldiers in the early 70s.
BTW- spare me the republican spin crap. I voted for Kerry (but not with your brainwashed zombie enthusiasm) and even I recognize phony, bull war stories when I hear them.
Bush41 is a bad man because everywhere he went opium and herion become lucrative markets, just like his son, but that's another story.
You do know that for a Silver Cross you have to be referred by your commanding officer, right? Also, Kerry's injuries may have been minor comparatively, but at least he put his ass on the line when his country needed him. Where was George?uhh... I said nothing about his actions in combat. I said he was only in Viet Nam for 3 1/2 months, which is a fact, not some partisan tripe. Look it up. As far as his injuries, they were minor enough that most soldiers wouldn't even consider themselves wounded. My Dad had a bullet in his left hand and still has scars on his forearm from schrapnel, but he never really considered himself as "wounded" or even put himself up for medals (as John Kerry did) because he didn't think his injuries were significant. Lots of guys had worse injuries than Kerry but didn't get medals because they felt the same way. I saw an interview with one of John Kerry's commanders who said he was surprised when he saw when Kerry reported his "injury" which the commander thought was too minor to even fill out paperwork for. Other people who served with him claim that one of his injuries was self-inflicted. No one really knows but the people who were there, but obviously there's a descrepancy.
Self-inflicted injuries, what a joke.
Bush is never among them because he has Rove's media shills to do smearing jobs for him. Just like they are attempting to do to Cindy SheehanAs far as the loud-mouth megalomaniac(s) who have been passing judgment on Kerry's war record for the past thirty years (none of this is new)...Bush was not among them. The main guy who has been going after Kerry since the end of Vietnam is a swift boat vet. He, along with many other vets have been sworn Kerry haters since Kerry made accusations against his fellow soldiers in the early 70s.
In a statement released today, Rush Limpballs is denying that he ever compared Cindy Sheehan to Bill Burkett even though Media Matters has his quote verbatim...
On the August 17 broadcast of The Rush Limbaugh Show, nationally syndicated radio host Rush Limbaugh falsely claimed his August 15 comments about Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a soldier who died in Iraq, were being misreported. Media Matters for America noted that on his August 15 broadcast, Limbaugh compared Sheehan to Bill Burkett, the retired Texas Air National Guard officer who provided CBS' 60 Minutes with unauthenticated do ents regarding President Bush's National Guard record, arguing that "her story is nothing more than forged do ents."
Media Matters do ented Limbaugh's statement:
LIMBAUGH: I mean, Cindy Sheehan is just Bill Burkett. Her story is nothing more than forged do ents. There's nothing about it that's real, including the mainstream media's glomming onto it. It's not real. It's nothing more than an attempt. It's the latest effort made by the coordinated left.
But on the August 17 broadcast of The Rush Limbaugh Show, Limbaugh falsely claimed that his comments were being misreported:
LIMBAUGH: Let me take a brief time out here to address something. I have been the recipient of a pretty decent amount of hate mail, far, far, far more hate mail than I usually get. Just this morning -- and I don't really get a whole lot of hate mail. And most of it's funny as it can be. But apparently there is something that is out there misreporting what I have said. And of course, these people are reading that rather than listening to this program and choosing to believe it.
Apparently, what's out there is that I said that Cindy Sheehan is no different than Bill Burkett, that Bill Burkett lied and Cindy Sheehan lied. They're actually out there, people saying that I am accusing Cindy Sheehan of making up the fact that she had a son and making up the fact that her son died in Iraq. And of course, I've never said this. That I, early on in this, if you wanna go back -- and we'll post the archives on my website tonight just to illustrate this. I'm the one that actually expressed a little compassion for her. And I said I don't really wanna talk too much about her, particularly because she's lost a son here. And that can never be easy. And I don't care -- there are all kinds of different people that have all kinds of different reactions to this. But losing a child is the absolute worst thing that can happen to an adult. There's nothing that rivals it, in my estimation.
So the idea that I think that she's making it all up is just another sign of the desperation of the people on the left who love to take us all out of context to try to get their side riled up. What I said was that the media looks at her the same way they look at Bill Burkett, as an opportunity. It didn't matter whether Burkett was telling the truth or not, and it doesn't matter what the specifics of Cindy Sheehan's case are. She is protesting Bush, Burkett hated Bush. That's why they're attractive to the media, and that's why the media is willing to exploit her.
Limbaugh himself featured his original statement on his website as a "Members Only" quote:
Well, Rove's media shills must have some kind of secret time-machine. Obviously, they went back 36 years and had the military doctor smear him on his report of Kerry's "combat" wound...
"What I saw was a small piece of metal sticking very superficially in the skin of Kerry's arm. The metal fragment measured about 1 cm. in length and was about 2 or 3 mm in diameter. It certainly did not look like a round from a rifle.
I simply removed the piece of metal by lifting it out of the skin with forceps. I doubt that it penetrated more than 3 or 4 mm. It did not require probing to find it, did not require any anesthesia to remove it, and did not require any sutures to close the wound.
The wound was covered with a bandaid.
Not [sic] other injuries were reported and I do not recall that there was any reported damage to the boat."
a further account of this incident..
[I]The following morning, John Kerry arrived at the office of Coastal Division 14 Commander Grant Hibbard to apply for a Purple Heart. Having already been informed by Schachte[Kerry's commander] that Kerry's injury was self-inflicted rather than the result of hostile fire, Commander Hibbard told him to "forget it." Hibbard recently said of Kerry's minor scratch, "I’ve seen worse injuries from a rose thorn."[/I]
But Kerry was persistent, and several months later after he was transfered to another unit, he applied yet again and finally managed to get a purple heart for his little owie.
Last edited by Jelly; 08-19-2005 at 10:34 PM.
i tell you Bush is capable of everything according to the haters of the most powerful nation on earth...
Here is a good one....
Margot Kidder, a Canadian citizen (formerly), just got her US Citizenship today after living here for 34 years! Wanna know why?
So she will not be deported when she begins protesting the war.
The greatest country in the world!
I might not agree with your opinion but I will fight for you so you can speak it!
hussker....A retired USAF Officer, 1982 - 2005
This the same Margot Kidder that was found a few years ago wandering around incoherent, amnesiatic, and in a state of dementia right? Sounds about par for the Democratic course these days...
Not as great as Hanoi Jane about to go around touring the country to protest the war and support the troops though...in her million dollar veggie mobile showing the peasantry how to be a good liberal and protect the environment, right before she takes her private gaz guzzling jet for her European vacation....tee hee.
But nothing beats a group of girls calling themselves the "Dixie" chicks becoming the champions of the left. ing classic.
as if she'd get deported for protesting. if that's the reason she gave, then she's hallucinating again. needs to get back on her meds.
I could tell you stories about Margo Kidder.
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