More Josh Howard Crap

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

I don't think Cuban made himself look bad as much as he did the Mavericks fanbase. Obviously not all of the fans are racist heads, but this is one situation where just letting the situation die a quiet death would have been infinitely wiser. His reaction just gave the story some legs and extra coverage while advertising to the world that at least some portion of their fans are bigots. That's true of probably any fan base, but it's one thing to assume it and another to broadcast proof of the fact to the world.

[BUMP]

Edited because some losers can't take a damn joke these days. Out of thousands of posters, two can't detect sarcasm. Grow some balls!

Tim Duncan is a penishead.

[Shank]

What up, gays?

Did I miss something?

[Reggie Miller]

There are a lot of religious groups that do not observe flag etiquette at all, including standing for the National Anthem. The idea is that to do so is a form of idolatry. (Placing a symbol before God.)

These include:

The Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)
Mennonites (particularly the Amish)
Hut es

Apparently, all Quakers and Mennonites are " ing -bags and not worth the sweat of one of our soldiers balls." This despite the fact that many have been incarcerated and/or tortured for their beliefs. By the way, we're not talking the 100 Years War, here. It has happened in the U.S. as recently as the late 20th century.

"One of the best-known stories of WWI COs is of five Hutterites - four brothers named Hofer and Jacob Wipf. They had been sent to Alcatraz prison after their courts-martial, where they again refused to don the military uniform. The authorities put them in solitary confinement cells in the dungeon, which were dank, cold, dark, dirty and infested. The men were locked up wearing nothing but light underwear, and were given no blankets or beds. They had only the cement floor for a bed. They were given nothing to eat for the first four and a half days, and were given only half a glass of water every 24 hours. The last one and a half days they were forced to stand with their hands tied together crosswise above their heads so high that they could barely touch the floor with their feet. When they were finally released from solitary confinement, they were covered with a rash, badly bitten by insects, and their arms were so swollen they could not put their jackets on. They also had bruises from being beaten with clubs. Soon after they were again sent to their cells day and night, though not with their hands tied up. After four months, they were transferred to Fort Leavenworth. Upon their arrival, they were made to take off their clothes in order to put on prison uniforms, except that it took two hours for the uniforms to arrive, and the men had to wait outside in the freezing cold. Joseph and Michael Hofer became so ill that they had to be taken to the hospital, where they both later died. Jacob Wipf and David Hofer were put into solitary confinement cells because again they refused to do work assigned by the military. Their hands were stretched out through the iron bars of their cells and the wrists chained together. They were made to stand that way for nine hours a day, getting only bread and water. This lasted for two weeks."

http://www.mcusa-archives.org/mhb/Yoder-Conscience.html

Similar incidents have been do ented well into the Vietnam Era, not to mention the case of Muhammad Ali.

This isn't exactly the same issue as standing for the National Anthem, but it is to the Quakers and Mennonites. [Sarcasm]I'm so proud of my country at times like this.[/Sarcasm]

[monosylab1k]

What up, gays?

Did I miss something?

Nothing out of the ordinary. Josh Howard melts down, Cuban acts before thinking and then thinks with a child-like mentality, and Donnie Nelson spends his days catching up on The Wire in lieu of doing any real work. Typical offseason day in Mavs Land.

[Shank]

Nothing out of the ordinary. Josh Howard melts down, Cuban acts before thinking and then thinks with a child-like mentality, and Donnie Nelson spends his days catching up on The Wire in lieu of doing any real work. Typical offseason day in Mavs Land.

HOLY ! TERRY STOTTS IS IN TOWN!!!!

[Spuradicator]

Josh Howard is a big time looser....

that, and I have to add that Jason Terry is quite the little .

[dirk4mvp]

I'm sure he's emotionally hurt that some no name spurstalk poster calls him a

[MrChug]

Most Mavs fans are losing their ass in here...might as well bet on "monoslavic" or whatever his name is to make sense every once in a while.

[Gino]

Cuban made himself look bad in Howard mess
by Mike Kahn

Shocked and appalled ... that was the general reaction this week when the video showed up of Dallas Mavericks forward Josh Howard mocking the national anthem and using his race as a reason for doing so prior to a charity flag football game hosted by Allen Iverson back in July.

There were plenty of reasons for people to be upset, and it's been an unfortunate run of bad judgment shown by Howard over the past five months or so that has threatened to have a long-term effect on what had been a very promising, All-Star career.

Just Joshing? Josh Howard is taking some heat after his controversial remarks about the Star Spangled Banner. Not sure what all the fuss is about? Watch Howard's rant HERE. Howard's indiscretions are one thing.

Mavericks owner Mark Cuban's are quite another.

That Cuban would rush to Howard's defense was no surprise. He is fierce in his support of his players — you would think he changed the name to Mavericks after he bought the team.

Cuban has often gone over the top in his ferocity when he feels an injustice has been done or if he is in disagreement over any perception or decision on a topic he deems important. It's a big reason why he is beloved and despised by so many. He is very bright and is one of those to have gotten in early on the Internet, made huge money and had the wisdom to turn it into much, much more.

But in the process of becoming this outspoken maverick, he has turned into a bully. In some ways, he has taken on some of the same characteristics as one of his basketball heroes, the former coach of his alma mater at Indiana, Bob Knight.

Nonetheless, Cuban's "Maverick Blog" is always interesting and often insightful on topics that range from basketball to Web trends to politics to search engines.

So when I checked in on Friday, "shocked and appalled" was I upon seeing what he had posted — too many e-mails pock-marked with racist commentary hurled at Howard, the NBA in general and criticism of Cuban for supporting such a player and league.

He led it with "Thanks for the advice on Josh," and went right into allowing these feeble-minded folks to voice their ugly opinions under the sarcastic guise "let them voice their embarrassing opinions and their e-mail addresses." It's easy to understand where he was coming from, because of those dangerous minds that categorize people with a hate that can curdle the skin.

But in the process, his arrogance toward the under-class lowered his own standards and mentality to their level. Later on in the day, he removed them from the "Maverick Blog," contending it made him sick to his stomach all day.

His contention was that he made his point and he hoped that something good came out of those e-mails being posted.

Still, I was shocked and appalled.

Nothing good can ever come out of giving a forum to that kind of commentary. Cuban did it just so they would embarrass themselves and maybe get a taste of their own medicine since their e-mail addresses were there for all to see.

What he seemed to ignore, however, is that it gave legs to that kind of ignorant, ugly and destructive thinking. In his own arrogance toward the fools, he was giving them a forum to incite others to climb aboard. He's too smart not to realize how many racist, dangerous minds are out there ... and that kind of situation only helps give legs to more people like them.

Cuban did it out of spite and his own imperious nature. There is no learning out of promoting ignorance, no matter how sarcastic and obvious the forum may be. It was born out of his own arrogance and sense of superiority that has come with his wealth and power and has created an even more embarrassing situation for the Mavericks.

All that does it make matters worse.

This has nothing to do with political correctness. There is a fine line between people that show no fear for the consequences of their words and actions that stay above the fray, or those that actually get a kick out of stimulating the fray because they can. And that's where Cuban is in this instance.

His honest appraisal of things has so often been refreshing and informative. Having met him almost 13 years ago when he was beginning Broadcast.com, it's been an amazing and impressive climb to where he is today.

But if he has reached the state where he actually believes he's so bright that he can embarrass people out of their ignorance, then his own forum of ignorance becomes a dangerous place in and of itself.

And that's what he managed to accomplish Friday. Indeed, taking down those posts was "the right thing to do."

But if he actually believes that makes him look smarter, then he unequivocally missed the point himself.

Nice article. Everyone in that organization from the owner to the fans is a disgrace.

[Findog]

I like smegma

[Shank]

Nice article. Everyone in that organization from the owner to the fans is a disgrace.

Yeah, that makes sense. Let's lump the fans in with the organization. Nuns, soldiers, policemen and firefighters are all disgraces because of a team for which they support.

You, sir, are a ing genius.

[Findog]

Yeah, that makes sense. Let's lump the fans in with the organization. Nuns, soldiers, policemen and firefighters are all disgraces because of a team for which they support.

You, sir, are a ing genius.

He'll kick your ing ass commie for spouting that anti-American claptrap!

America! Yeah!

[Gino]

Yeah, that makes sense. Let's lump the fans in with the organization. Nuns, soldiers, policemen and firefighters are all disgraces because of a team for which they support.

You, sir, are a ing genius.

Actually, what you said is kind of true.

We saw how the Portland fans responded to the negative antics of their players. The organization was forced to clean house just to attempt to re-connect with the fans and they were successful.

Cuban, on the other hand, does his Napoleon-esque rant of how his guys are being unfairly treated, etc and then tries to PUNISH the fans by exposing the emails and IPs of everyone who was angry about Howard. Keep in mind this is the umpteenth time Howard has embarrassed the organization and its fans.

Anyone who blindly roots for that organization needs to wake up and realize that the Mavericks are the armpit of the NBA.

Others on this board have taken notice and changed which team they support (Findog, Monos etc).

Maybe you should do the same.

[monosylab1k]

Ethnic cleansing is a good thing.

[Findog]

Others on this board have taken notice and changed which team they support (Findog, Monos etc).

Maybe you should do the same.

Making fun of tlongII = abandoning your team

[koriwhat]

Cuban, on the other hand, does his Napoleon-esque rant of how his guys are being unfairly treated, etc and then tries to PUNISH the fans by exposing the emails and IPs of everyone who was angry about Howard. Keep in mind this is the umpteenth time Howard has embarrassed the organization and its fans.

i don't know if you're just a complete dumbass or just somewhat of a dumbass but actually defending most of those racist bas s is where you went wrong in your argument. don't say you don't defend them either because the quote above is saying it was wrong for cuban to expose the trash of our society. to even call those people fans is a in' stretch... those "fans" aren't just angry, they are disgusting wastes of life and deserve all the backlash their wicked forked tongues have caused them!

Va'Gina spouting all over this forum once again.

ps: you know what's even more sad then howard and his stupidity as well as yours? i am actually siding with cuban for the 1st time ever. never thought i'd be on his side for anything.

[Shank]

Actually, what you said is kind of true.

We saw how the Portland fans responded to the negative antics of their players. The organization was forced to clean house just to attempt to re-connect with the fans and they were successful.

Cuban, on the other hand, does his Napoleon-esque rant of how his guys are being unfairly treated, etc and then tries to PUNISH the fans by exposing the emails and IPs of everyone who was angry about Howard. Keep in mind this is the umpteenth time Howard has embarrassed the organization and its fans.

Anyone who blindly roots for that organization needs to wake up and realize that the Mavericks are the armpit of the NBA.

Others on this board have taken notice and changed which team they support (Findog, Monos etc).

Maybe you should do the same.

Define "successful" in how it relates to the Trailblazers...

And as far as your suggestion, I'll stick by my team if that's alright. I know Boston fans are notorious for being bandwagon jumpers, but it's not like that everywhere else.

[Flight3107]

[dirk4mvp]

If I ever see Gino at a sporting event, you bet your ass I'm standing on my feet come time for the anthem!

[Private Joker]

Is that you John Wayne? Is this me?

[Gunnery Sgt Hartman]

Is that you John Wayne? Is this me?

Who said that? WHO THE SAID THAT? Who's the slimy little communist , twinkle-toed sucker down here who just signed his own death warrant? Nobody, huh? The fairy ing godmother said it. Out- ing-standing! I will PT you all until you ing die! I'll PT you until your assholes are sucking buttermilk!

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Is that you John Wayne? Is this me?

[Gino]

You call me a moron yet you've ditched that pathetic organization just as Ive said that all Mavs fans should?

Why don't you explain why you switched to the T-wolves if you disagree with me.

[Gino]

Define "successful" in how it relates to the Trailblazers...

And as far as your suggestion, I'll stick by my team if that's alright. I know Boston fans are notorious for being bandwagon jumpers, but it's not like that everywhere else.

Are you kidding? Not only are they widely viewed as the unprecedented "team of the future", but their fans are crazy about the team again. Did you see the Rose Garden when they drafted Oden?

They got rid of a lot of dead weight and re-vamped their image with the fans. Kudos to Paul Allen.

Even some of your fellow Mav fans have ditched the Mavs in favor of the Blazers.