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I feel your pain!
I feel your pain!
I feel your pain!
Are you kidding me. Please be real. The only reason anyone believes there is a God is because someone told them there was one. When whatever God comes for a visit please take a few photos,record some sounds because 6 BILLION people would love to know who or what to believe in. Faith is one thing, stupidity is something completly different.That goes for the majority of what you learn from day one. Think about it. And the Santa Claus issue is a total crock and not even on the same level.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ual_traditions
Above is a link to hundreds of religions. All there followers believe they are right. Lots of Santa Claus storys.
So we must find who that first person was that started the rumor and ask how he knew?
I think it's clear to everyone reading which one of two you have the most of.Faith is one thing, stupidity is something completly different.
who would have guessed Jack is a wikipedia head.
The sad part is all those who say GOD is not real and later on decide they may have been wrong? they will have a hard time editing there original posts, I'm almost certain the vato upstairs has screen captures.
I don't see how you get bitter out of it. You guys love to fall back on against our argument as some kind of angry response only its the other way around. You guys are so caught up in your belief that you refuse to recognize stone cold facts to the contrary.
I never set out to prove that god didn't exist but don't worry I know you didn't read the entire thread because you'd ing know what my motivation was.
You're right I'll never prove that "god" doesn't exist. Thats not my motivation I just proved that the modern belief structure of Jesus and organized religion is false.
I said many times and if you paid attention you'd know that I believe that there might be a higher power. I never questioned that. Never.
For the rest of you who were critical of this post
------------------------------------------------------------This thread has shown proof of :
1) The origin of the dates and celebrations behind Christianity are copied from other Sun worship religions
2) Jesus' life story falls directly in line with amazing similarity to many other Sun gods
3) That the Bible stories taken literally actually have deeper meaning, coupled with evidence, that have nothing to do with supernatural events
4) That the physical appearance of Jesus amazingly resembles that of other Sun gods
5) That all of the numbers and dates in the Jesus story have a specific astrological event and meaning, EXACTLY like all the other Sun god religions, meaning that they have nothing to do with a 'real' Jesus
I just want to look at number 5.
We have cited proof of this. In physical form and original depiction. Not hearsay. We have shown with zero doubt of credibility that there are many gods prior to Jesus that had the same meaningful dates. Dates that have been proven to hold major astrological value.5) That all of the numbers and dates in the Jesus story have a specific astrological event and meaning, EXACTLY like all the other Sun god religions, meaning that they have nothing to do with a 'real' Jesus
Even if you don't want to change your belief because of it I want to know:
How can this not raise questions for you?
How is every important date and moment in Jesus' life been repeated in an adaptation of a previous diety not of interest to you?
How can you nullify us with actual physical do ented proof of our claims with no physical do ented tangible proof of your own?
you'd ing know what my motivation was.
I am not the brightest bulb on the tree but I think when you curse it may show some bitterness, I could be wrong.
OK. What do you want me to say? I never claimed to know everything if thats what your getting at.
See above response, I guess.see above response. your statement is proof.
I kind of read that wrong to begin with I guess. I thought it was saying that in order to have limited knowledge you must have faith in something.limited knowledge requires faith.
I'll go with the belief that you intended it to mean in order to gain more knowledge one must have faith. Faith in oneself is still faith. For example, I have faith that if I dont know something, I can look it up. I dont have to have God to help me google it.
I dont understand.... All I said was, for the most part, people know Santa doesnt exist. Thats the only fact I brought up. Its a man who flies a red sleigh pulled by magical reindeer, one of which has a glowing nose. sounds preposterous! But when it gets to Jesus or God, a man who walks on water and turns it into wine who comes back from the dead 3 days after being buried.... The tune changes.what facts would you like to discuss?
I would say thousands of years worth of wars is a pretty good indicator they are not doing something right for a supposed peaceful belief system .granted, organized religion hasn't done the greatest of jobs.
Thats exactly what I was getting at. All Im saying is no amount of posturing and praying to going to make those go away, if there is a devine being who is "all-knowing" than he should know how I feel about those mistakes without me having to tell him.according to my faith, he see you and I the same, as sinners. I have lied, stolen, etc... how bout you?
Exactly the opposite. Of course I have. See my previous response.are you saying you have never broken the ten commandments or have never fallen short?
Thats what alot of the "bad, evil atheist" here are really trying to get at. Religion is a means of control through fear. To take a line from Joe Chalupa nothing is going to change my belief in that.I would be lying if I said Fear wasn't a motivator for me, but I still have a lot of maturing to do.
thank you but I have to admit some of it sounded a bit condescending. I suppose its to be expected when going against the grain though.i can sense that and tried to respectfully respond.
Not once in this thread have I seen a reference to:
1) Physical proof
2) Original do entation
3) First person accounts
The only thing credible here is Tacitus of which each key important year in his writings are mystically missing.
We have provided references in the form of physically mathematical based calendars. Prior evidence of previous dieties well before Jesus including original do entation to support it and a number of references by the very people within your belief structure (the church) who question the authenticity of copies of copies of hearsay.
If this were a professional debate on anything else it wouldn't even be close. You've only offered hearsay thats in question by the very ones who support it.
I want more.
Fear is pretty much what drives people to "God". Sort of like if you are naughty you won't get a gift this year. He knows when you have been bad, he knows when you have been good, you better watch out for goodness sakes because Santa Claus is coming to town!
But thanks for the warning.
Oh foul language = bitter
The REASON you know of jesus is BECAUSE of those things.
I and MH have done well to stick to provable facts. A do ented base for our argument. None of what I offered was based in opinion which is where most of these threads go to. Everything I've offered is rooted in tangible reality that you, I and anyone else can attain in person. Nothing via hearsay.
So I'm going to ask again to maintain the integrity of the debate. Because this is turning into a pointless finger pointing insult oriented argument.
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I just want to look at number 5.
We have cited proof of this. In physical form and original depiction. Not hearsay. We have shown with zero doubt of credibility that there are many gods prior to Jesus that had the same meaningful dates. Dates that have been proven to hold major astrological value.5) That all of the numbers and dates in the Jesus story have a specific astrological event and meaning, EXACTLY like all the other Sun god religions, meaning that they have nothing to do with a 'real' Jesus
Even if you don't want to change your belief because of it I want to know:
How can this not raise questions for you?
How is every important date and moment in Jesus' life been repeated in an adaptation of a previous diety not of interest to you?
How can you nullify us with actual physical do ented proof of our claims with no physical do ented tangible proof of your own?
How about believers just believe and non-believers just don't believe?
Everyone can stop arguing and all this wasted energy can be used on way better things..............like the "rate her" thread.
Noone including myself. Here are a few more links for those who has gotten false information from that site.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/var_rel.htm
http://www.keepandshare.com/htm/list..._religions.php
http://open-encyclopedia.com/List_of_religions
or just google list of religions. There are TONS of Gods out there. For those who do believe ought to really research all of them to make sure you are worshiping the right one.
Well if I had to chose from two customers and one said "sorry sir but I rather not buy your laptop".Oh foul language = bitter
And the other customer said "Your ing laptop sucks"?
I would go with the second one as being bitter. maybe I don't know what bitter really means. Maybe cursing is a sign of intelligence? In that case,You and your ed up GOD hating s can kiss my Holier than thou hairy ass!
I already addressed this in my original post. These other dieties may have been mentioned before the PHYSICAL presence of Jesus on this earth; but they did not come before the MENTION of Jesus. The bible says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God." In this verse, Word refers to Jesus. So all those other religions fashioned their "gods" after the only true Savior - Jesus Christ. ALL other religions came after what we now call Christianity.Prior evidence of previous dieties well before Jesus including original do entation to support it and a number of references by the very people within your belief structure (the church) who question the authenticity of copies of copies of hearsay.
wow, so you really were arguing Genesis being literally true...
Guys like that yahoo above who mouth off against us in the form of accusing us of being resentful are simply the guys caught up with the people who stand on both sides hurling insults as a way to prove a point. They never listen to the argument because they're too busy cherry picking the yellers who offer no supporting facts.Well if I had to chose from two customers and one said "sorry sir but I rather not buy your laptop".
And the other customer said "Your ing laptop sucks"?
I would go with the second one as being bitter. maybe I don't know what bitter really means. Maybe cursing is a sign of intelligence? In that case,You and your ed up GOD hating s can kiss my Holier than thou hairy ass!
I offered some sound proof for the basis of Jesus and modern day religion. Even though its tangible proof thats obtainable by all of us he chooses to ignore it and call me bitter.
I'm not simply standing here screaming that its all made up. I'm showing you how and why with do ented proof of how the diety was shaped and became what it is.
You guys have countered with hearsay and no physical tangible proof of anything.
What I don't get if B2B and his Satan worshiping pal Miami Heat really feel there is no GOD and no purpose to life then why are they still here?
After all why not off yourselves already? Why go many years of having to work, pay bills,get sick,pay taxes,buy clothes,take showers,go to the dentist,etc...
Wouldn't you just end it all already, why would you put yourself though all this suffering?
You want proof? Then answer the following question.
Have you ever told anyone you love them?
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ok.
You are talking about Genesis, right? Judaism.
You do realize Orisis/Horus pre-dates Judaism, right? By about 1500 years?
Why would he do that? You're the one whose beliefs make you think you'd have something to gain by swallowing a shotgun.
Great. Prove that with some original do entation or physical artifacts of proof.
Because I've shown you in physical and do ented form that the belief in those other gods were alive and present before Jesus.
The bible is not a historical record. You need legitimate sources.
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