Michael Jackson Dead at 50

[Sportcamper]

I think this is all a big hoax…He was seen in Carson City Nevada buying gas just last night…

[SA210]

This is so messed up and sad. I still have my jacket from Beat It at my mom's house. I wore it every year grades 1-5. I'm not even kidding, the whole outfit, jacket, black pants, shirt and shoes, every year in elementary and I didn't care what anyone said.

I had a messed up abused childhood, but the first and only record my mom ever got me was Thriller, the vinyl along with the tape. I still have them.

He was the greatest, he knew what he wanted in his videos, he was the video God. You don't have that anymore. Everything he did, he worked hard on. Every video was epic, it was a movie...

His videos were events, everyone waited for the premiere of the vid on primetime television, sat down with their families, just waiting for greatness.

There will never be anyone like him again. All these pop stars wouldn't be here if it weren't for him. All these dances and dance routines, where do you think they all came from? Everyone thinks they are an entertainer these days.

Michael was reallllly an entertainer. The productions, the shows he put on on stage. Hit after hit, he gave and gave. The crowds he got across the world, people fainting...

Man in the Mirror was a song about making a change in this world, but starting wth yourself. I always wanted to meet him. I will miss him.

[CosmicCowboy]

ackson settlement from 1993 allegations topped $20 million

By Roc e Steinhaus
Court TV
Wednesday, June 16, 2004 Posted: 9:58 AM EDT (1358 GMT)


(Court TV) -- Michael Jackson paid out approximately $25 million to settle a civil suit by a boy who accused him of molesting him in 1993, according to the confidential agreement which was exclusively obtained by Court TV's Diane Dimond.

The pop star, according to the agreement, maintained the settlement did not signify an admission of any wrongdoing against the boy or his parents.

Jackson "specifically disclaims any liability to, and denies any wrongful acts," according to the 31-page do ent he signed on January 25, 1994.

The terms of the settlement have been kept tightly under wraps for a decade, but were exclusively uncovered by Court TV.

Jackson agreed to pay $15,331,250 to be held in a trust fund for the accuser, now 24, as well as $1.5 million to each of his parents. The accuser may have also received another seven-figure payment not specified in the agreement. Additionally, the plaintiff's lawyer was slated to receive $5 million.

In exchange, the accuser and his parents agreed to not pursue civil claims against Jackson.

The agreement could play a role in the current criminal charges Jackson faces stemming from allegations by another California boy who accused him of molestation.

In April, he was indicted on 10 criminal counts, alleging 28 acts involving child abduction, false imprisonment and extortion.

Evidence of the 1993 accusations could be admitted as evidence of prior criminal behavior against Jackson in his current case ? but only if the now-adult accuser is willing to testify.

In December 1993, the boy outlined his accusations in a sworn declaration, recounting his year-long friendship with the King of Pop.

According to the account, he met Jackson in May 1992 at the rental car business where his stepfather worked and where Jackson was renting a car.

The introduction led to several trips to Jackson's Neverland ranch, where the boy claimed he played video games, rode golf carts ? and slept in the same bed with Jackson.

He and his family also took trips with Jackson to Florida, New York, Las Vegas and Europe, according to the statement.

"During our relationship Michael Jackson had sexual contact with me on many occasions," the statement alleges.

He accused Jackson of open-mouth kissing, fondling and oral sex.

His contact with Jackson ended, he said, when he went to live with his father in July 1993.

Two months later, they filed a civil suit in Los Angeles Superior Court, asking for unspecified damages for sexual battery, seduction, willful misconduct, intentional infliction of emotional distress, fraud and negligence.

The settlement agreement stipulated that the accuser and his parents were dropping all claims except that of negligence at the time of signing the do ent, with the caveat that once the money was received that claim would not be pursued.

Eight pages of the do ent addressing the payment arrangements were not disclosed. It is unknown whether Jackson paid the settlement from his own pocket or if it was funded by his insurance company.

[MB20]

RIP MJ

You were great in the 80s! And the best dancer I´ve ever seen.

[BacktoBasics]

The important thing to note is that a true measure of greatness is about marketability, nostalgia and entertainment. Not the real value of the individual on a personal level. Thanks for everything penis petter.

[Bukefal]

I think this is all a big hoax…He was seen in Carson City Nevada buying gas just last night…

[Bukefal]

But I hate all this fake bull where people act sad that he's gone.

But now every news network is covering this like it was the death of the Pope and every person I see is so sad this happened. (I admit I'm posting this before reading this thread so maybe some of you aren't) and its fake and its annoying. I'll be happy when this bull is off TV but I'm sure the networks will milk it all weekend long.

Amen. Exactly!

[Strike]

Bummer. He made the greatest dance music of all time in my opinion. He's was a weird dude but he helped me score a lot of chicks back in the day.

The King Of Pop and GHB = one of a combination.

[whottt]

I don't think he was a pedophile, I think he hated the idea of being an adult and growing up.


One thing is for sure, if he was a pedo, the reason he didn't serve any jail time over it is because the families of those kids took money over justice for their children.


What does that say about them? They were motivated by greed.

If he was a pedophile, those families had no problems leaving him free to do it to others, so long as they got paid.


PRetty obviously greed was their motivation.



As for why he paid them off..20 million was nothing to him.


I don't know and I don't think anyone else does either...but the one thing no one can argue about is that his accusers were looking for money over anything else.

[clambake]

I don't think he was a pedophile, I think he hated the idea of being an adult and growing up.


One thing is for sure, if he was a pedo, the reason he didn't serve any jail time over it is because the families of those kids took money over justice for their children.


What does that say about them? They were motivated by greed.

If he was a pedophile, those families had no problems leaving him free to do it to others, so long as they got paid.


PRetty obviously greed was their motivation.



As for why he paid them off..20 million was nothing to him.


I don't know and I don't think anyone else does either...but the one thing no one can argue about is that his accusers were looking for money over anything else.

you are dead on with this.

[SA210]

+1 whottt

[florige]

I don't think he was a pedophile, I think he hated the idea of being an adult and growing up.


One thing is for sure, if he was a pedo, the reason he didn't serve any jail time over it is because the families of those kids took money over justice for their children.


What does that say about them? They were motivated by greed.

If he was a pedophile, those families had no problems leaving him free to do it to others, so long as they got paid.


PRetty obviously greed was their motivation.



As for why he paid them off..20 million was nothing to him.


I don't know and I don't think anyone else does either...but the one thing no one can argue about is that his accusers were looking for money over anything else.

I totally understand that. But if I were innocent I would play whatever I could to clear my name. I mean think about it, if he didn't have that child molestation stuff always associated with his name he would pretty much have no tarnishments. Like I said, me personally I would go to my grave trying to clear my name of those charges IF I didn;t so it. Even though 20mil isn;t nothing to him, it does make him look guilty.

[TDMVPDPOY]

I totally understand that. But if I were innocent I would play whatever I could to clear my name. I mean think about it, if he didn't have that child molestation stuff always associated with his name he would pretty much have no tarnishments. Like I said, me personally I would go to my grave trying to clear my name of those charges IF I didn;t so it. Even though 20mil isn;t nothing to him, it does make him look guilty.

seriously wtf is going to judge him?

let god decide that now

should just let him RIP.

[whottt]

I totally understand that. But if I were innocent I would play whatever I could to clear my name. I mean think about it, if he didn't have that child molestation stuff always associated with his name he would pretty much have no tarnishments. Like I said, me personally I would go to my grave trying to clear my name of those charges IF I didn;t so it. Even though 20mil isn;t nothing to him, it does make him look guilty.

That's just it, he did clear his name, his name is clear because of the fact that he was never convicted of anything, and the reason is because his accusers dropped their accusations.


Didn't stop the accusations.

And nothing he could have done ever would.


An accusation like that never goes away, there was no way he could ever truly clear his name again, so maybe he just wanted the problem to go away.

Bottom line is that those families were seeking money, and that's what they got.




Let me turn it around, if your child we molested...would you take compensation over justice?

Basically turning your child into a in the process?


The ethics of his accusers are far more questionable than those of MJ, once you remove the molestation accusations from the equation.

One you see their motivations for what they were, a money grab, there is plenty of reason to doubt the accusations...due to their own actions.

[whottt]

If someone ever molested my child, I would be the one in prison, because they would be dead. That is not something 20 million resolves, unless you are more of a pimp than a parent.



Any questions or lack of justice over this are due to the greed of the accusers. So since you can see greed is their motivation...


I mean if they were willing to take payment for their child being molested, then they are pretty obviously the sort of people that would lie about the entire thing in the first place.

I mean taking money over your child actually being molested is far worse than just trying to get money by saying he was molested.

[phyzik]

I never was the biggest fan of Michael but his performance during one of the award shows (forgot which one) of Billie Jean was perhaps the greatest performances I ever saw from him. The moonwalk was done flawlessly and no one has ever been able to do it THAT good since, not even Michael himself. The Pop locking part was pretty friggin sweet too.

Say what you will about the man, but the performer was a ing dance machine.

[florige]

That's just it, he did clear his name, his name is clear because of the fact that he was never convicted of anything, and the reason is because his accusers dropped their accusations.


Didn't stop the accusations.

And nothing he could have done ever would.


An accusation like that never goes away, there was no way he could ever truly clear his name again, so maybe he just wanted the problem to go away.

Bottom line is that those families were seeking money, and that's what they got.




Let me turn it around, if your child we molested...would you take compensation over justice?

Basically turning your child into a in the process?


The ethics of his accusers are far more questionable than those of MJ, once you remove the molestation accusations from the equation.

One you see their motivations for what they were, a money grab, there is plenty of reason to doubt the accusations...due to their own actions.

I see your point totally Whottt. So if you were in MJ's shoes you would had just went ahead and paid them off just so the whole mess could be out of your hair?

[CosmicCowboy]

I don't think he was a pedophile, I think he hated the idea of being an adult and growing up.


One thing is for sure, if he was a pedo, the reason he didn't serve any jail time over it is because the families of those kids took money over justice for their children.


What does that say about them? They were motivated by greed.

If he was a pedophile, those families had no problems leaving him free to do it to others, so long as they got paid.


PRetty obviously greed was their motivation.



As for why he paid them off..20 million was nothing to him.


I don't know and I don't think anyone else does either...but the one thing no one can argue about is that his accusers were looking for money over anything else.

What about the "identifying feature" on his pecker the kid told the cops about and the police got the warrant to check and confirmed? I'm not saying that the parents weren't s , but he clearly paid them off and bought the kids silence.

[CosmicCowboy]

The Telltale Splotch
Photos of Jackson's body confirmed '93 claims

JANUARY 6--As search warrants go, you won't find one more intrusive than the one executed on Michael Jackson's, um, person in 1993. And the results of that intimate Kodak moment from a decade ago could resurface in the performer's upcoming molestation trial.

A detailed recounting of the criminal probe of Jackson is contained in sealed do ents reviewed by TSG. An affidavit from former Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department deputy Deborah Linden was filed in 1993 to secure court permission to photograph Jackson's private parts. Investigators sought the images in a bid to corroborate allegations made by 13-year-old Jordan Chandler. The boy told police that Jackson frequently masturbated him, adding that he could provide a detailed description of the star's penis as a way of proving the pair had been intimate.

According to the Linden affidavit, Chandler told police that Jackson justified the illicit acts by saying, "it was okay and natural because other friends had done this" with him. The singer, then in his mid-30s, also allegedly told the boy that, "masturbation is a wonderful thing." The celebrity also told Chandler that if he ever spoke about the incidents, he would be "placed in Juvenile Hall," and they both would get in trouble.

The do ent also describes a confrontation between Jackson and Chandler's father Evan, who suspected that the performer may have been assaulting his son during sleepovers. The elder Chandler tracked Jackson down to his "hideaway apartment" in Los Angeles.

The boy's father asked Jackson, "Are you ing my kid?"

The entertainer "became very upset" and told Chandler that he did not use that word. Linden notes that the singer did not answer the question or deny the allegation.

With Los Angeles Police Department detectives weighing his claims, Chandler gave them a roadmap to Jackson's below-the-waist geography, which, he said, includes distinctive "splotches" on his buttocks and one on his penis, "which is a light color similar to the color of his face." The boy's information was so precise, he even pinpointed where the splotch fell while Jackson's penis was erect, the length of the performer's pubic hair, and that he was cir cised.

It wasn't long after law enforcement's photo session that Jackson agreed to settle Chandler's civil claim for north of $20 million.

In a recent sealed affidavit, Tom Sneddon is quoted as saying that Chandler's pre-search description (and a drawing) "corroborated" photos taken of Jackson and observations made by officers who examined the body of evidence.

In light of Sneddon's proclivity for hardball tactics, perhaps it shouldn't be a surprise if he tries to have those old images finally admitted into evidence. We're pretty sure Jackson would oppose that, though he did tell Chandler years ago that he was "proud of his coloration" and thought he "looked like Pan."

[Wild Cobra]

I think this is all a big hoax…He was seen in Carson City Nevada buying gas just last night…

See people, I told you. It already started. There will be MJ sightings for years to come, like Elvis. Post #234:

No, he's dead. Too many news outlets reporting it.

Correction...

He's as dead as Elvis. There will be those claiming to see him for centuries to come.

[whottt]

What about the "identifying feature" on his pecker the kid told the cops about and the police got the warrant to check and confirmed? I'm not saying that the parents weren't s , but he clearly paid them off and bought the kids silence.

Sounds like an ironclad case to me...so why didn't Jackson go to prison over it?

[CosmicCowboy]

Sounds like an ironclad case to me...so why didn't Jackson go to prison over it?

The star witness wouldn't testify.

[Wild Cobra]

I totally understand that. But if I were innocent I would play whatever I could to clear my name. I mean think about it, if he didn't have that child molestation stuff always associated with his name he would pretty much have no tarnishments. Like I said, me personally I would go to my grave trying to clear my name of those charges IF I didn;t so it. Even though 20mil isn;t nothing to him, it does make him look guilty.

Yep, this is the only proper way to do it. The payoffs are why I contend he is guilty more than any thing else.

[Wild Cobra]

That's just it, he did clear his name, his name is clear because of the fact that he was never convicted of anything, and the reason is because his accusers dropped their accusations.

They good cases dropped the lawsuits because they were paid off. I'm real confident he would have been found guilty is one or two of the payoff cases went to court.

[SA210]

The greatest of all time.