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please do not speak such scary ideas into existence... finley at the 4? please god no. I do see it as a trend though. Lebron next to shaq at the 4.
Timvp: It seems like recently you have sort of been pushing for an atypical power foward. Do you think this is the way the league is going? Or is it just the best option for the Spurs because you feel so strongly they are going small-ball-four with Finley or another option more often than not?
please do not speak such scary ideas into existence... finley at the 4? please god no. I do see it as a trend though. Lebron next to shaq at the 4.
It seems like the power forward in the NBA is getting smaller and quicker compared to five years ago. After seeing Rashard Lewis totally destroy the Cavs' stout defense with his quickness and ability to play out on the perimeter, I think every contending team now realizes that you have to be able to have at least one bigman who can play out on the perimeter. If you don't, you'll get pick-and-rolled to death.
With that in mind, I added Kleiza to this list. I think Childress is too small to consider and left him off. But if you are looking to spend the MLE on someone after Sheed and McDyess are off the board, Childress is one of the few players that should be somewhat attainable, the Spurs have shown interest in during past seasons and could buy minutes at PF. I just don't think he can buy enough minutes. I was seeing if someone else could make the argument.
Well, yeah Childress would be nice if only to keep Finley away from the court.
Would an offseason pull of something like Childress and Rasho be enough? I guess it depends if the Spurs are confident in the young bigs.
Hopefully the Spurs just land Wallace or McDyess and don't have to worry about getting crafty . . .
We will see...not to mention if the Spurs get a Childress or someone else on a nice contract, trades are possible.
A small case for Gooden:
the days of TD being able to consistently create his own shot are mostly over. and while I do believe Blair can become a ferocious scorer, that still means our only big man with offensive game this year will be a 2nd round rookie. And you have to be able to score inside with your big men, it's like the running game in football.
Duncan was completely dominant before his injury..it isn't a coincidence that his offensive game went completely inept the first game back from injury..that's a pretty ridiculous statement..
we'll see
As long as you're talking from a physical standpoint, I'd agree. Mentally though, it's an entirely different ballgame.
The more I think about it, the more I see Bass. The Spurs have a long history of signing guys who play well against them, and if Dallas is signing Gortat...
If the Spurs go for Childress, I think he plays the two. They go with more length in their backcourt. He just doesn't have the size for power forward. At that point you close your eyes and hope for the best from James Gist. Or, you try to trade for someone like Tyrus Thomas or, more attainably, Brandon Wright.
Disagree. He wouldn't work well as the starting two on the Spurs. He doesn't have the ballhandling or the shooting. He has to play the three and the small ball four in the Spurs' system.
I would say Tyrus Thomas is more attainable than Brandan Wright. But I'd go in a different direction and go for a veteran big like a Foster, Collison or Camby. Adding another young big to the equation makes the bigs too young -- something I never thought I'd say again
Well, there is a 1 in a hundred chance we'd get to see whose read is better on Childress as a Spur, but I'd take him either way.
I wonder how much Atlanta could demand in return for Childress? They can't have much leverage. Everyone knows he won't play for them. If the Spurs wanted him, I bet they could get him.
I've heard that the Warriors are dangling Wright in exchange for a pick and a shooter. Nellie doesn't think he can play him because of the emergence of Randolph and Biedrins, two other guys who can't score beyond a few feet.
I hear you on the relative age thing. The Spurs are almost too young. But if Chicago would give up Thomas on the cheap, I don't think the Spurs could say no. Too much talent. He's cheap. He's tradable. His contract expires soon. He's a can't lose situation. I'm convinced half his development issues are his coaches.
Dealing Bonner, Finley and the 2010 1st rounder for Foster and then using the MLE and LLE to go after free agents like Childress, Gooden, Powe, Kleiza, Hermann, Nesterovic, Carney, and Hill might not be that exciting, but could very well get the job done. As much as fans think you need to put together a near All-Star lineup to win, I'm not sure. The Spurs need good role players now, guys who don't need the ball to be effective.I would say Tyrus Thomas is more attainable than Brandan Wright. But I'd go in a different direction and go for a veteran big like a Foster, Collison or Camby. Adding another young big to the equation makes the bigs too young -- something I never thought I'd say again
If they get a solid starting center in a trade (such as Foster) then they can afford to gamble using their MLE on a restricted free agent such as a Kleiza or Childress. Especially if they can complete the bigman rotation by picking up a Nesterovic or Powe with the LLE.
Of course, they could use their MLE on a 5 like Pachulia and then use the Bonner, Finley, and #1 combo to make a run at a solid 3 for the bench, like a Nocioni.
There's no reason to panic if the Spurs lose out on Wallace. In fact, it may work out for the best if they do...
If the Spurs are going to use the MLE on a small ball 4 type, they should go after Marvin Williams aggressively and gauge his interest in signing a full MLE deal for X amount of years. His potential would be worth the full 5, if he wanted to go that long. Of course he may prefer the QO from Atlanta for this year and wait until 2010 to cash in, but its worth the effort.
If he were interested, I think its worth tying up our MLE for 7 days to see if the Hawks will match. They may well do it, but again, I think its worth the effort. Williams is substantially better as a small ball 4 than Childress, and he would do well spotting up in the weakside corner, while Jefferson slashes from the wing, Tony runs pick and roll with Tim or Tim posts up on the block with Manu on the strong side wing. Williams also has the aggressive on the ball D that could hound the Nowitzki/Kobe/Carmelo types, tag-teaming with Jefferson to fill Bowen's role.
If this scenario could somehow play out, the Spurs still need to get a body, and Mr. Nesterovic would be a great, low budget choice to get a second chance at a first impression. At this point in his career, and with not having to be the guy filling in David Robinson's shoes, he would actually be a perfect choice as a 10-15 mpg 5, playing 30 minutes on nights against Shaq, Bynum, Oden, etc. (I almost said Yao, just for the sake of picking on my neighbors and co-workers- I have the unfortunate "privilege" of living in the Houston area- but I abstained for the sake of not kicking a guy while he is down!). If the young bigs are not adjusting well (or Mahinimi and Blair are having medical difficulties), Leon Powe becomes the perfect mid-season pick up (assuming he is past his medical difficulties) to team with Duncan, Rasho and Bonner (if in fact Bonner and Finley are not dealt for some real talent, as they should be, as salary dumps start taking place in January).
Now all this being said, I still say that getting Rasheed or McDyess makes too much sense not to make it the Plan A and B, as has been said often on this thread. However, if the Spurs whiff on Wallace (and that is looking 50/50 right now), and McDyess decides to wait on making his decision, I think it may be wiser to go after the best talent you can get, especially in a buyer's market, with the MLE, and use the LLE or minimum contracts to get bodies to fill the positional needs. I would much rather do that than to overpay for a Brandon Bass or ZaZa Pachulia type, especially if you had to give those guys 4-5 years. If we have to start afresh 2-3 years from now, Marvin Williams will be a guy just coming into his prime, with a couple of years under his belt in the system, and he has the potential to be a legitimate number 2 guy behind TP. Bass or Pachulia will never be more than they are now, and we will be begging for the FO to dump their contracts and get some real talent in the front court.
What do you think?
Spurs, IMHO, need a PF/C, not a SF/PF. Plus Atlanta's not going to let him get away.
If we're going to chase a Hawk, it needs to be Pachulia.
I'm not opposed to gambling on a RFA using the MLE, provided the Spurs have found their starting bigman elsewhere (via trade). Yeah, the Hawks would love for Williams to be locked up long term starting at the MLE. I'm with you in spirit though.
Please god do not give up a first rounder for Foster. Tyrus Thomas would be nice though, but lets keep our first rounders for right now. I think Hermann is a good cheap option as a backup SF if all else fails.
Obviously, TP thinks the spurs will go after Wallace or Mc Dyess.
http://www.lequipe.fr/Basket/breves2...-a-grandi.html
he also added that after needing two men (shaq and kobe), then 3 (spurs big 3) to win it all, at least 4 great players seems needed now to win the NBA le. that's why he's happy with the RJ trade and maybe the other Big coming.
^^^ Good find
TP is kept reasonably abreast of roster moves. Hopefully that is a sign that Sheed and McDyess are indeed at the top of the Spurs' list.
yes. that would confirm your list of bigmen.
i wonder if TP isn't talking too much about the Spurs, especially in the french media and if he won't be warned by the FO
anyway, it's good for us because all this organisation is so secret usually, including his core players like tim or manu, that it's good to have some news from tony.
i think it's safe to say that he knows for sure that the FO will go after Wallace and Mc Dyess firstly.
I love any time Tony talks, dude is so honest..
Great post, agree 100%.
Let's hope we can get option 2 now.
Maybe at the end of the day we'll sign Gooden for a 2yrs - $8 million deal
That'd be hilarious if the Spurs wanted Gooden back the whole time and just never mentioned it to keep his value low
McDyess is now far and away the number one option. Wallace and Gortat are off the board. Varejao sounds like he's staying with Cavs. The Nuggets seem to be narrowing in on a contract with Andersen.
Could Brandon Bass be the Spurs' main target all along?
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