Ex-Rockets Guard Wafer Signs With Olympiakos

[DPG21920]

KBP, the moderator has just informed me that you will be permanently banned for your continuing lies, foul mouth and bashing of Americans.

The moderators have heard the case I have made against you and agreed with me over you. I wanted to give you fair warning, man to man. Sorry it had to come to this, but you would not stop and what you did was clearly wrong.

If you apologize and clean up your act, I might consider having them change their minds. If not, you will be banned, probably in the next few days as they mods put together their case against you.

Sorry it had to come to this. I love Greece Basketball.

Do you not see this KBP? Still you continue with the insults and lies in the face of permanent ban? Unreal.

[Mel_13]

So riddle me this Billy.

You say that the reported attendance at games held in Greece does not include season ticket holders. OK

Panathinaikos is one of the two most popular basketball teams in Greece. They play their home games in a basketball palace with a capacity of over 18000. Surely if Panellinios has sold 1200 season tickets, then Panathinaikos must have sold several times that number.

So, then how is it possible that the reported attendance for this Euroleague playoff game was 18000? If 18000 non season ticket holders attended the game, where did the thousands of loyal season ticket go to see this game?

http://www.euroleague.net/main/resul...asetypecode=PO

[Rappin' V-Span]

This is a beautiful court. I wish I could play in there instead of my gym

[ChumpDumper]

Another!



Don't try to weasel out of this one on a technicality, Polideportivo Pisuerga!

[Rappin' V-Span]

KBP, also I am very upset and sad at you. You have the ability to be best poster on site, but now you have turned into the very thing we Greeks hate about America.

I cannot believe I clicked you to be my friend and you have changed.

[manufan10]

Ignorance is bliss. You are ignorant so because of that you cannot grasp the truth.

I'm the ignorant one, but you cannot find a single post of me insulting you or the Greek. Yet you still insult me. Nice one genius.

[manufan10]

Another!



Don't try to weasel out of this one on a technicality, Polideportivo Pisuerga!

It looks like they're sitting on a portable toilet.

[ChumpDumper]

So riddle me this Billy.

You say that the reported attendance at games held in Greece does not include season ticket holders. OK

Panathinaikos is one of the two most popular basketball teams in Greece. They play their home games in a basketball palace with a capacity of over 18000. Surely if Panellinios has sold 1200 season tickets, then Panathinaikos must have sold several times that number.

So, then how is it possible that the reported attendance for this Euroleague playoff game was 18000? If 18000 non season ticket holders attended the game, where did the thousands of loyal season ticket go to see this game?

http://www.euroleague.net/main/resul...asetypecode=PO

They set up some patio furniture and a 27 inch TV in the abandoned Olympic pool.

[Mel_13]

They set up some patio furniture and a 27 inch TV in the abandoned Olympic pool.

You're on a roll

[Rappin' V-Span]

I want to say my mind ST:

KBP's future is looking bleak
But don't judge him for all us Greeks
Most are cool, he used to be
Who cares if I ball in a gym you used in grade 3

Lies and insults they must be quit
Greece is 130,800 SQ KM
Come see all of it

I know we can make it
If we all get along
V-Span raps with his heart
Not with his dong

[kamikazi_player]

I want to say my mind ST:

KBP's future is looking bleak
But don't judge him for all us Greeks
Most are cool, he used to be
Who cares if I ball in a gym you used in grade 3

Lies and insults they must be quit
Greece is 130,800 SQ KM
Come see all of it

I know we can make it
If we all get along
V-Span raps with his heart
Not with his dong

Damn, where's epic fail, he's been absent lately

[fo'shizzle]

Can you read? EVERY team has to pay it. Your reasoning level is scary. If a team defaults then another team pays it. EVERY team pays it. It is not like NBA where they let the poor NBA owners not pay the fee. Because half of them are bankrupted in NBA. And NBA players already have to give 9% of their checks back to the owners so the league can stay from bankruptcy. Greek league is not in same financial mess like NBA.

ing Greek Lies!!!

[Banzai]

I want to say my mind ST:

KBP's future is looking bleak
But don't judge him for all us Greeks
Most are cool, he used to be
Who cares if I ball in a gym you used in grade 3

Lies and insults they must be quit
Greece is 130,800 SQ KM
Come see all of it

I know we can make it
If we all get along
V-Span raps with his heart
Not with his dong

[mogrovejo]

Again they do NOT count season tickets at the gate. They also NEVER count the soccer tickets at the gate from people who see a soccer match. The attendance is far FAR more than 2,000.

What's this counting season tickets is banned crap? Are you serious? What the heck does that mean? Hey, you can't possibly know, but we've been broadcasting A1 games in Eurosport2 all last season. Easy to check how many people are actually in the stands.

Here's the average attendance in Europe per league:

League                   2008/2009 2007/2008 Difference
1 SPAIN (ACB)           6988,12     6387,0      9,41%   
2 ITALY (Lega)          3862,13    3740,8       3,24%   
3 GERMANY (BBL)       3666,15    3469,7       5,66%   
4 FRANCE (ProA)        3564,94     3503,6     1,75%   
5 RUSSIA (Superlg)     2394,10     2276,8     5,15%   
6 ITALY (LegaDue)      2377,00    2340,0     1,58%   
7 SPAIN (LEB Gold)      2159,72     2944,4   -26,65%   
8 BALTIC (Elite)          2118,00     2239,0    -5,40% 
9 ADRIATIC League      2069,99     1179,6   75,48%   
10 FRANCE (ProB)        1779,56     1720,0     3,46%   
11 ISRAEL                 1670,0 
12 GREECE                1428,53     1228,3    16,30%

[mogrovejo]

For clubs.

Teams     Average     League  Change
1 CAI Zaragoza    10263,0      ACB       0,62%   
2 ALBA BERLIN       9360,0 Bundesliga   35,50%   
3 TAU Cerámica     9231,0       ACB       6,98% 
4 MMT Estudiantes 8962,0       ACB      -7,04% 
5 Unicaja Malaga    8753,0       ACB      -4,36%   
6 Real Madrid         8587,0       ACB      -3,70%   
7 Bruesa GBC         8294,0       ACB      31,65% 
8 Pamesa Valencia  7443,0       ACB       8,44%
9 CB Granada         7406,0       ACB      -1,23%   
10 DKV Joventut     7340,0       ACB      -5,22%   
11 La Fortezza       6767,3       Lega      -3,17% 
12 Brose Baskets    6588,2  Bundesliga     -4,03%   
13 Iurbentia Bilbao  6506,0        ACB       13,21%   
14 Maccabi Tel Aviv 6091,0 Israel Premier 
15 Cajasol             5950,0        ACB        11,15% 
16 Zadar               5772,7 Adriatic League 
17 Scavolini Spar    5507,7       Lega        -14,57%
18 ViveMenorca     5350,0       ACB           0,75%   
19 SLUC Nancy       5310,0       ProA 
20 Alta Gestión       5255,0        ACB          3,06%

Source

No greek clubs in the top-20. Or 30.

There's Olympiacos in 36th spot (3,900 fans per game), Panathinaikos is 57th (3,100 fans per game), PAOK 73th (2,800 per game), Aris 75th, Kolossos 137th, Olympia 178th and Kavala 184th (1,089 per game). None of the other greek teams average an attendance superior to 1,000 fans per game.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

What's this counting season tickets is banned crap? Are you serious? What the heck does that mean? Hey, you can't possibly know, but we've been broadcasting A1 games in Eurosport2 all last season. Easy to check how many people are actually in the stands.

Here's the average attendance in Europe per league:

League                   2008/2009 2007/2008 Difference
1 SPAIN (ACB)           6988,12     6387,0      9,41%   
2 ITALY (Lega)          3862,13    3740,8       3,24%   
3 GERMANY (BBL)       3666,15    3469,7       5,66%   
4 FRANCE (ProA)        3564,94     3503,6     1,75%   
5 RUSSIA (Superlg)     2394,10     2276,8     5,15%   
6 ITALY (LegaDue)      2377,00    2340,0     1,58%   
7 SPAIN (LEB Gold)      2159,72     2944,4   -26,65%   
8 BALTIC (Elite)          2118,00     2239,0    -5,40% 
9 ADRIATIC League      2069,99     1179,6   75,48%   
10 FRANCE (ProB)        1779,56     1720,0     3,46%   
11 ISRAEL                 1670,0 
12 GREECE                1428,53     1228,3    16,30%

Season tickets are NOT counted in Greece. You would know that if you really were from Europe.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

For clubs.

Teams     Average     League  Change
1 CAI Zaragoza    10263,0      ACB       0,62%   
2 ALBA BERLIN       9360,0 Bundesliga   35,50%   
3 TAU Cerámica     9231,0       ACB       6,98% 
4 MMT Estudiantes 8962,0       ACB      -7,04% 
5 Unicaja Malaga    8753,0       ACB      -4,36%   
6 Real Madrid         8587,0       ACB      -3,70%   
7 Bruesa GBC         8294,0       ACB      31,65% 
8 Pamesa Valencia  7443,0       ACB       8,44%
9 CB Granada         7406,0       ACB      -1,23%   
10 DKV Joventut     7340,0       ACB      -5,22%   
11 La Fortezza       6767,3       Lega      -3,17% 
12 Brose Baskets    6588,2  Bundesliga     -4,03%   
13 Iurbentia Bilbao  6506,0        ACB       13,21%   
14 Maccabi Tel Aviv 6091,0 Israel Premier 
15 Cajasol             5950,0        ACB        11,15% 
16 Zadar               5772,7 Adriatic League 
17 Scavolini Spar    5507,7       Lega        -14,57%
18 ViveMenorca     5350,0       ACB           0,75%   
19 SLUC Nancy       5310,0       ProA 
20 Alta Gestión       5255,0        ACB          3,06%

Source

No greek clubs in the top-20. Or 30.

There's Olympiacos in 36th spot (3,900 fans per game), Panathinaikos is 57th (3,100 fans per game), PAOK 73th (2,800 per game), Aris 75th, Kolossos 137th, Olympia 178th and Kavala 184th (1,089 per game). None of the other greek teams average an attendance superior to 1,000 fans per game.

Are you a ing re ? They do not count season tickets in Greece you jackass.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

The OWNER of the website that this idiot is giving the source CONFIRMS Greece is only league that does not count season tickets.

Damn there are some idiots on these forums.

[Mel_13]

Help us understand.

Given the following scenario:

-1000 season ticketholders

-500 of the season ticketholders actually attend the game and 500 no-show

-500 tickets sold at the gate-all of which attend the game

What is the announced/reported attendance for the game?

A. 500 (individual game tickets sold)

B. 1000 (actual attendees)

C. 1500 (total tickets sold)

D. Some other number (please explain)

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Help us understand.

Given the following scenario:

-1000 season ticketholders

-500 of the season ticketholders actually attend the game and 500 no-show

-500 tickets sold at the gate-all of which attend the game

What is the announced/reported attendance for the game?

A. 500 (individual game tickets sold)

B. 1000 (actual attendees)

C. 1500 (total tickets sold)

D. Some other number (please explain)

WTF is wrong with you? A little kid should be able to figure it out.

[Mel_13]

WTF is wrong with you? A little kid should be able to figure it out.

Why can't you just answer a question without insults?

As you have said, the Greek League reports attendance differently than any other league. I can only guess from what you have said before that the answer is either tickets sold at the gate or actual number of attendees. It seems clear that no-show season ticketholder are not counted.

If you will answer the question, we can all be on the same sheet of music.

[ChumpDumper]

Wow, Spain really kicks Greece's ass.

[BlackBellamy]

Wow, Spain really kicks Greece's hairy, gay ass.

fixed. As per the informative descriptions that I'd heard of Greece in some other thread.

Ya looks like Espana's basketball has the very best professional teams in Europe.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Why can't you just answer a question without insults?

As you have said, the Greek League reports attendance differently than any other league. I can only guess from what you have said before that the answer is either tickets sold at the gate or actual number of attendees. It seems clear that no-show season ticketholder are not counted.

If you will answer the question, we can all be on the same sheet of music.

This is how it works. Only people in the gate is counted. But also even people in the gate will NOT be counted if they come from the soccer games. In Greece if you go to a home soccer game of your club and then also there is a basketball home game then you are only counted in soccer attendance but you can also attend the basketball game.

Just in one game last year Panathinaikos had 13,000 fans from the soccer game at the basketball game and none were counted for the basketball game attendance.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

fixed. As per the informative descriptions that I'd heard of Greece in some other thread.

Ya looks like Espana's basketball has the very best professional teams in Europe.

Attendnce = how good a team is ?