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    On religion and war:

    Moreover, the chief complaint against religion -- that it is history's prime instigator of intergroup conflict -- does not withstand scrutiny. Religious issues motivate only a small minority of recorded wars. The Encyclopedia of Wars surveyed 1,763 violent conflicts across history; only 123 (7 percent) were religious. A BBC-sponsored "God and War" audit, which evaluated major conflicts over 3,500 years and rated them on a 0-to-5 scale for religious motivation (Punic Wars = 0, Crusades = 5), found that more than 60 percent had no religious motivation. Less than 7 percent earned a rating greater than 3. There was little religious motivation for the internecine Russian and Chinese conflicts or the world wars responsible for history's most lethal century of international bloodshed.
    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...tower?page=0,2

    The author goes on to state that religion can help wars be sustained once they are started, but one could say the same thing about flag waving, ethnicity, payback for past conflict, and so on.

    I forgot to mention one potential cause of IQ differences both between and within races that sounds like it would be very applicable to the thread subject as well. IQ studies have found large differences in IQ between people from urban vs. rural environments. This holds between races, across different parts of a related region (north vs. south europe, west vs. east europe) and amongst people who are the exact same ethnicity in relatively close areas.

    I found a long article about this.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.c...iq-and-wealth/

    I've never tried to look this up, but I would think that the vast, vast majority of atheists in the west are urban whites (which would include plenty of ethnic Jews), with a large amount of urban asians as well. However many atheist Hispancis/Blacks/Arabs/ etc. there are, they are probably urban as well. Could be something to this, or maybe not because...

    That author says that even though this holds for Europeans, East Asian IQs don't exhibit the same socio-economic aspects. He wrote a shorter, seperate article going more into that:

    http://www.theamericanconservative.c...iq-influences/

    The east asian exception seems very significant to me given their very high average IQs, but I guess the surface is just starting to get scratched on this subject given that it's an absolute certainty that it will anger the high priests of PC if race and sex are studied. Already has, actually, if you remember the Larry Summers vs. Harvard incident.

    LSS, IIRC: Summers was the president of Harvard when he was asked why women were underrepresented in science and enigineering. He basically said that while men and women have basically the same average IQ, the bell curve of women is tighter, more evenly distributed, than the bell curve of men, meaning more men of very high or very low IQs, thus more men in these fields. I don't think he was fired but he resigned not too long after amid controversy.

    So if youre scoring at home: Atheists smarter than theists? A-OK, fair topic. More genius level IQ men vs. women? Bigot, not to even be considered.

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    On religion and war:



    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...tower?page=0,2

    The author goes on to state that religion can help wars be sustained once they are started, but one could say the same thing about flag waving, ethnicity, payback for past conflict, and so on.

    I forgot to mention one potential cause of IQ differences both between and within races that sounds like it would be very applicable to the thread subject as well. IQ studies have found large differences in IQ between people from urban vs. rural environments. This holds between races, across different parts of a related region (north vs. south europe, west vs. east europe) and amongst people who are the exact same ethnicity in relatively close areas.

    I found a long article about this.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.c...iq-and-wealth/

    I've never tried to look this up, but I would think that the vast, vast majority of atheists in the west are urban whites (which would include plenty of ethnic Jews), with a large amount of urban asians as well. However many atheist Hispancis/Blacks/Arabs/ etc. there are, they are probably urban as well. Could be something to this, or maybe not because...

    That author says that even though this holds for Europeans, East Asian IQs don't exhibit the same socio-economic aspects. He wrote a shorter, seperate article going more into that:

    http://www.theamericanconservative.c...iq-influences/

    The east asian exception seems very significant to me given their very high average IQs, but I guess the surface is just starting to get scratched on this subject given that it's an absolute certainty that it will anger the high priests of PC if race and sex are studied. Already has, actually, if you remember the Larry Summers vs. Harvard incident.

    LSS, IIRC: Summers was the president of Harvard when he was asked why women were underrepresented in science and enigineering. He basically said that while men and women have basically the same average IQ, the bell curve of women is tighter, more evenly distributed, than the bell curve of men, meaning more men of very high or very low IQs, thus more men in these fields. I don't think he was fired but he resigned not too long after amid controversy.

    So if youre scoring at home: Atheists smarter than theists? A-OK, fair topic. More genius level IQ men vs. women? Bigot, not to even be considered.
    I didn't read all of that but it seems you agree with the OP.

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    Psalm 139:4 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

    4 For there is not a word in my tongue, Lo, O Jehovah, Thou hast known it all



    So god allowed generations of people to believe in inaccurate versions of the bible.

    Neat.
    That scripture is supposed to prove that God is omniscient?
    & God allows human beings to do whatever they want, that's the problem with free will, why should he intervene with interpretations or mistranslations? In Yeshua's time, there were hundreds of Rabbi's, each with their own "yoke" of the Torah. These days, if you have a different interpretation, you start your own denomination, or be labeled a heretic.

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    Why didn't they pull him up with the wires?

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    One reason why Atheists can read the Bible and further affirm that they're justified in not believing, is because the Bible in English, is very unlike the Bible in Hebrew, or in Aramaic I should say. (Of course there are other reasons as well)

    I've heard Atheists say that the bible is bull , because it claims that God is omnipotent. So, that would mean God knows that in 3 minutes, this particular person will molest a child, & since he sits idly by when he knows and can prevent it, he is not in fact a loving God. The thing with that is.. The bible in English may say "omnipotent", but in it's original text in Hebrew, the word is "shadday" which simply means "almighty" or "all-powerful". "All knowing" is not one of the definitions of "shadday".

    Also, another thing that Atheists find laughable is the concept of Heaven and . The destination for people of God, is not a realm in the sky or cosmos where God resides, in fact, the destination is Earth, or after apocalypse "New Jerusalem". What the bible says (from Hebrew text), is that when people die, they rest until judgement day. That's not acceptable for the Catholic church though, they want people to feel that they'll have instant results.

    As far as " " goes. There are two Hebrew words, and two greek words that translate to the English " " in the Bible. Sheol (which means grave), Gehenna (which was an actual geographical location in the Judea area at that time, a place where they would take trash and burn it), the greek Tarturus (which means dark place, & is only used once when referring to the dwelling place of Lucifer), and finally Hades, which also means grave, or underworld. First of all, the common idea of is fiery torture, non-stop with crazy demons... No, that's Dante's version, which the Catholic church adopted. In the bible, it states that when someone is judged on the final day, if they led a wicked life, they receive the "second death" the death of the soul/spirit. That is that, there is no eternal torment, there is only annihilation. The first death is of the body, and the second death is of the soul, that is annihilation, ceasing to exist. It can't be any clearer.

    These are two things that if I were to state to a priest or pastor, I'd be labeled a heretic. But that in fact is just fundamental orthodox Christianity.

    I understand that those two aspects are not going to convert an atheist, nor would I want to. My religious values are important to me, but I think it's great that people can read the bible for themselves, and choose not to believe in what they read. All I'm saying is that with this information super-highway, people should know the truth of it before making their decision. I feel that it doesn't get a fair chance otherwise, although I know most Atheists would still consider it a joke, but at least know in this case, the devil is NOT in the details. :p

    By the way, science is amazing, and we'd be nowhere without it.
    I don't feel that not believing would make someone more intelligent or less intelligent.
    I came from an unreligious household, but my mother became Christian when she approached old age, and I became a Christian when I actually began reading the Bible out of curiosity, and from then on I had to know everything about it, including reading it in Hebrew.
    This is true

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    This goes without saying. Atheists pretty much rely on logic and a sense of order and purpose in the world.

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    This goes without saying. Atheists pretty much rely on logic and a sense of order and purpose in the world.
    /thread

    Atheists constantly think about and evaluate the world. Religiots drift through like plankton, waiting for that "better place" and reading their bible.

    The mind is like a muscle: use it or lose it.

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    This goes without saying. Atheists pretty much rely on logic and a sense of order and purpose in the world.
    Not only that, but they don't even have to be told that raping a 4 year old is wrong by some cosmic en y. They got that figured out by themselfs.

    Silly theists

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    In the last few years evidence has come out that atheists have a higher rate of autism and Aspergers syndrome. Based on personal experience I don't doubt that either.
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    That scripture is supposed to prove that God is omniscient?
    on it's own, I think it's enough, but there are plenty of scriptures that reaffirm God is all knowing and can see the future.

    & God allows human beings to do whatever they want, that's the problem with free will, why should he intervene with interpretations or mistranslations? In Yeshua's time, there were hundreds of Rabbi's, each with their own "yoke" of the Torah. These days, if you have a different interpretation, you start your own denomination, or be labeled a heretic.
    The problem is that God can see the future, knows I'm going to , but created me any way.

    What a friend.

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    SA210 is easily swayed by fancy words.

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    One reason why Atheists can read the Bible and further affirm that they're justified in not believing, is because the Bible in English, is very unlike the Bible in Hebrew, or in Aramaic I should say. (Of course there are other reasons as well)
    So God made it hard on non Aramaic speakers by creating different languages at the tower of babel.

    What a friend.

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    I've heard Atheists say that the bible is bull , because it claims that God is omnipotent. So, that would mean God knows that in 3 minutes, this particular person will molest a child, & since he sits idly by when he knows and can prevent it, he is not in fact a loving God. The thing with that is.. The bible in English may say "omnipotent", but in it's original text in Hebrew, the word is "shadday" which simply means "almighty" or "all-powerful". "All knowing" is not one of the definitions of "shadday".
    There is so much else outside of the translations or not that is fundamentally flawed with the Bible as some chronicle of reality that have almost nothing to do with nitpicky bull about mis-translations.

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    If the judeo-christian god actually exists as interpreted and written about in the old and new testament, he certainly is a mother er son of a , a bloodthirsty lunatic…. no matter if it’s an animal or a human (jesus 100% man, Numbers 31:24-40) …. Dude wanted to see blood and implemented the barbarian and ridiculous “sacrifice system”, … he’s ing god…. could have invented a more “loving” stupid system to forgive his own defective creation.

    Fortunately, that god is just an invention.

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    There are probably tons of articles you could search for on atheism and Apergers/autism. Here are a couple I found quickly:

    People with Asperger’s less likely to see purpose behind the events in their lives

    http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...n-their-lives/

    Why Are High-Functioning Autistics More Likely to Be Atheists or Agnostics?

    http://www.scienceandreligiontoday.c...-or-agnostics/

    And yes I do think atheists have higher than average IQs. As I said, there are differences, often very large differences, in many different human categories. Examples are: religion, race and ethnicity, urban/rural, all kinds of political beliefs, socio-economics, and distance that your genetic ancestors lived to the equator.

    These differences have been discussed for quite a while now. In my experience, people often like to focus on the ones that suit their beliefs and say that they are concrete and fundamental intelligence differences between the groups, while at the same time they dismiss the differences that don't suit their beliefs as due to external factors.
    Last edited by BradLohaus; 09-11-2012 at 07:38 PM.

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    Why didn't they pull him up with the wires?
    Because they had very strong thin cables. Remember NASA had the latest technology they was using Velcro before your Dad's first wallet.

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    Because they had very strong thin cables. Remember NASA had the latest technology they was using Velcro before your Dad's first wallet.
    Yes, I know.

    They got Velcro from the Vulcans.

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    Yes, I know.

    They got Velcro from the Vulcans.



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    Great episode. Isn't that Kirk holding your brain in this shot?

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    There are probably tons of articles you could search for on atheism and Apergers/autism. Here are a couple I found quickly:

    People with Asperger’s less likely to see purpose behind the events in their lives

    http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...n-their-lives/

    Why Are High-Functioning Autistics More Likely to Be Atheists or Agnostics?

    http://www.scienceandreligiontoday.c...-or-agnostics/

    And yes I do think atheists have higher than average IQs. As I said, there are differences, often very large differences, in many different human categories. Examples are: religion, race and ethnicity, urban/rural, all kinds of political beliefs, socio-economics, and distance that your genetic ancestors lived to the equator.

    These differences have been discussed for quite a while now. In my experience, people often like to focus on the ones that suit their beliefs and say that they are concrete and fundamental intelligence differences between the groups, while at the same time they dismiss the differences that don't suit their beliefs as due to external factors.
    I find it interesting that in a discussion about aspies and atheism that your source never mentions the two clinical requirements for diagnosis of aspergers.

    1) They are oblivious to social cues ie they have no idea if a person is mad, sad, disapproving or in any other emotional state

    2) Obsessive behavior

    To me its not very hard to understand why aspies are often atheists. Thesim is a human construction and learned. It is not inherent and as such if you cannot convey the notion of faith or belief or zeal or fervor then it's hard to convince someone that relies on empirical findings.

    I did like how the author ignored the diagnosis but instead tried to paint aspies as deficient in cognitive abilities and that is what causes the atheism instead of looking at what aspects of the diagnosis might cause it.

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    Great episode. Isn't that Kirk holding your brain in this shot?
    Yes in his left hand. In his right hand is yours.

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