German court prohibits cir cisions

[Wild Cobra]

There is a growing group of Jews within Israel who are choosing not to cir cise as well. I can't believe this is even still an argument in 2012.

http://www.jewsagainstcir cision.org/

Jews who practice this are truly ignorant to what they are really doing. What they practice today is Bris Periah, and what was performed originally was Bris Milah. Bris periah is much more radical and removes more skin, it was developed because cir cised men were stretching their skin and restoring and this pissed off the rabbis.

That's their choice.

Today, it is recognized that the purpose back then was for health reasons that are not needed today, because of modern living practices.

We also have modern toilets and don't have to go away from the village to bury our excrement.

That link you posted however is amazingly authoritarian, and against the ideals of freedom.

[mavs>spurs]

Bris milah wasn't nearly as harmful and at least left the victim mostly sexually functional. Who the is someone to decide which healthy body parts a person gets to keep anyway? It's a massive human rights violation. Arabs used to stone people for adultery but is this allowed? Of course not. Religious freedom ends where another person's bodily integrity begins. We have a duty to protect the innocent who cannot fend for themselves.

Contrary to what most people think, the laws already in place clearly prohibit cir cision they are just not currently being enforced. The laws protecting females don't actually leave out males. This is a huge cash cow to doctors who have known the harmful effects for over 100 years in this country but continued doing it for the profit.

Read this, specifically at the bottom. It talks about how doctors are warning their colleagues not to do this because they CAN be sued, and how the first lawsuits are already coming in as people have access to information with the internet. Even with consent, the doctor can be sued because a parent can't legally consent to a nonmedical removal of healthy tissue. Cir cision is classified as religious or cosmetic, not medical. There's also the issue of parents being mislead into believing in false benefits from cir cision. Read about it here.

http://www.doctorsopposingcir cisi...d_brochure.pdf

[Wild Cobra]

Yeah, obviously I'm talking about a dream scenario in which this country is actually governed cons utionally....

My purpose for saying that is because maybe we would have less religious involvement at the federal level if states rights were respected. They would keep it at the state level as well.

[mavs>spurs]

That's their choice.

Today, it is recognized that the purpose back then was for health reasons that are not needed today, because of modern living practices.

We also have modern toilets and don't have to go away from the village to bury our excrement.

That link you posted however is amazingly authoritarian, and against the ideals of freedom.

What about freedom for the patient?

Dude, chopping off part of someones body without their consent is a major civil liberties violation.

I guess by the same logic, I should have the freedom to chop off parts of you and telling me not to would be authoritarian?

[mavs>spurs]

classic erectile dysfunctioning mavs>spurs thread

lol obsessed ever since this subject came to light

what's the matter brah, does cir cision talk make you feel threatened

let grown folks talk about real political issues.

[Wild Cobra]

What about freedom for the patient?

Dude, chopping off part of someones body without their consent is a major civil liberties violation.

I guess by the same logic, I should have the freedom to chop off parts of you and telling me not to would be authoritarian?

By your logic, it would never be done since the optimum time to do it is about 8 days old.

[mavs>spurs]

By your logic, it would never be done since the optimum time to do it is about 8 days old.

who says it's optimum? what studies prove that? or what logic for that matter.

probably the same people who lied that "babies can't feel anything" which has since been debunked as psuedoscience garbage.

I'll tell you who it's "optimum" for. The doctors who perform it on millions of people who otherwise wouldn't come back at age 18 to request the procedure. They make money forcing it on people who wouldn't otherwise choose it.

What about a Jew who grows up and decides not to practice Judaism and becomes a christian? What if he decides he wants his foreskin back. Doesn't seem fair to persecute Jewish babies, let them choose it's THEIR bodies after all.

[Wild Cobra]

What about freedom for the patient?

Dude, chopping off part of someones body without their consent is a major civil liberties violation.

Consent is given by the legal guardian. Normal the parents.

I guess by the same logic, I should have the freedom to chop off parts of you and telling me not to would be authoritarian?

LOL...

Not the same thing.

Do you even know why I called the article authoritarian?

[Wild Cobra]

Read about it here.

http://www.doctorsopposingcir cisi...d_brochure.pdf

Isn't that enough propaganda for one day Boutons?

[The Reckoning]

its just a piece of skin.

[DMC]

It doesn't formally separate church and state, but the First Amendment does restrict the government's ability to meddle in religious affairs to the point that they might as well be separate en ies, tbh.... additionally, the delegation of most social issues to the states also hampers church involvement at the federal level....

In law there's no "might as well". You either do or you do not. The 1st Amendment does not provide separation of church and state.

[mavs>spurs]

Consent is given by the legal guardian. Normal the parents.

Parents can't legally consent to a nonmedical body modification. That's why people are getting sued.

You ever seen a cir cision? It's barbaric. It's nothing short of infant torture to feed big medical and big pharma. There's a big business for human foreskins.

[mavs>spurs]

its just a piece of skin.

Take some science classes. It's like 70% of the nerves in your ding a ling and 50% of the skin structure.

Frenelum and ringed band are also lost, which are hypersensitive like the female clit. The foreskin is dense in specialized nerves and much more sensitive than regular shaft skin, as we get older it aids in maintaining erections.

[mavs>spurs]

Also, the USA and Israel consume the vast majority of the earth's viagara.

New studies show it increases your ED risk by 4.5 times. Cir cision is so ingrained into people's heads because they don't want to admit that anything is wrong with their ding-a-ling which is understandable. Just hope that you don't have complications, can still somewhat enjoy a sex life, and that the cure will be here before your little noodle goes limp.

Also, infant cir cision impedes normal growth and development. Cir cised penises are smaller on average. They think it might be because of the DHT receptors in the foreskin which were previously unknown.

[The Reckoning]

damn b dont be so thin skinned about it.

im sure if you exercise and eat a healthy diet, all of that shouldn't matter. libido is libido. tbh not having all those hypersensitive nerves can be an advantage in lasting longer in bed.

is this your thesis topic or something?

[The Reckoning]

have you polled women on what they think about the foreskin?

[mavs>spurs]

Reckoning, what you just said is all we can take solace in right now but it's not a cure.

I was surprised to learn that women notice European men and American men are different in bed. Supposedly europeans are more sensitive and moan and during orgasms like a women. Supposedly we are supposed to have full body orgasms like a woman that you can feel from your head to your toes, and it lasts for 1 or 2 minutes. Cir cised men's orgasms are central to the genital region and only last 10 seconds or so. I've never had a full body orgasm tbh, I was shocked to learn that.

[mavs>spurs]

have you polled women on what they think about the foreskin?

Among women who have had both, 85% prefer a foreskin. The mechanics of sex are different with one, you can read up all about it. Studies have found that women are more likely to orgasm with an intact man, and less likely to report sexual dissatisfaction, dryness, and painful intercourse. A guy I know in premed told me that he found studies in the database that circ'ed penises are 1 inch smaller on average, but they don't know why and it hasn't been confirmed. Correlation vs Causation, tbh.

[Spurminator]

Reckoning, what you just said is all we can take solace in right now but it's not a cure.

I was surprised to learn that women notice European men and American men are different in bed. Supposedly europeans are more sensitive and moan and during orgasms like a women. Supposedly we are supposed to have full body orgasms like a woman that you can feel from your head to your toes, and it lasts for 1 or 2 minutes. Cir cised men's orgasms are central to the genital region and only last 10 seconds or so. I've never had a full body orgasm tbh, I was shocked to learn that.

Europeans during orgasms? Gross.

[mavs>spurs]

Europeans during orgasms? Gross.

moan and wail etc. not literally....

[The Reckoning]

you joined here yet? http://foreskin-restoration.net/forum/


remember dah in the end it's mental. the grass is always greener on the other side. being a man starts in the brain.


im certain those studies are skewed lol. theres condoms out there that simulate foreskin anyway if youre so concerned about it.

[mavs>spurs]

^no, i want the real thing back. to be a whole person in full control of my body just the way i was born. shaft skin ain't even remotely the same thing.

foreskin also has apocrine glands which produce pheremones to attract women, forgot to mention that by the way.

[DMC]

Wow a 10 second orgasm? That's like 2x as long as my sex lasts.

[mavs>spurs]

yall ever wonder where the term "bust a nut" came from? it's exclusively an american term. american men just "bust a nut" it's like scratching an itch or a release, but it ain't the same as a full spectrum orgasm with intensity like what we are supposed to experience.

[The Reckoning]

lol get a skin graft then damn dude