Ludden: Tim Duncan re-signs (3 years, $30M), Patty Mills re-signs, De Colo signs

[Wild Cobra Kai]

They are paying Jackson too much. He is getting paid like he is an all star. That money would have been better utilize on a big.

Except you can't just take money like that and use it on a big. He'd have to be traded, and his rep is around the league now. It's pretty widely accepted that only Pop can manage Stephen Jackson, so, we're back to the choice of last March: Jack or RJ.

[therealtruth]

Very good point. Duncan is a better man than me. Giving Holt a ~$20 million discount over his career is pretty damn generous considering Holt's CBA crusade in 1999 cost Duncan at least $100 million in lifetime earnings -- if not much more. On top of that, Duncan's presence has at least doubled the value of the franchise.

In a business sense, there's no way Duncan should have settled for three years and $30M. But as a Spurs fan, I'm appreciative. At the very least it gives Holt less excuse to be cheap in the next few seasons since he won't have to worry about the repeater's penalty.

I doubt career earnings at 190 M instead of 180 makes a difference.
Expecially since 20 M will make you, your children, grandchildren and most likely you grand-grand-children rich for the entire life.

If it doesn't make a difference you may as well get more. Holt's got alot more.

[temujin]

If it doesn't make a difference you may as well get more. Holt's got alot more.

What Holt has more than Duncan is the control of the franchise.
That's it.

Unless Duncun threw a considerable amount of money out of the window over the last 15 years, which I highly doubt, he should be in a position to actually BUY out Holt and control the whole stuff, if so he wishes.

[ChumpDumper]

What Holt has more than Duncan is the control of the franchise.
That's it.

Unless Duncun threw a considerable amount of money out of the window over the last 15 years, which I highly doubt, he should be in a position to actually BUY out Holt and control the whole stuff, if so he wishes.

Some weird fan fantasies flying around lately.

[rascal]

Except you can't just take money like that and use it on a big. He'd have to be traded, and his rep is around the league now. It's pretty widely accepted that only Pop can manage Stephen Jackson, so, we're back to the choice of last March: Jack or RJ.

Jack or RJ

They threw too much money at RJ and now that money is tied up with over paying Jackson.

[bigfan]

Re Tim Im sure with all his "discounts" he has a job for life in the Spurs organization.

[Mel_13]

Jack or RJ

They threw too much money at RJ and now that money is tied up with over paying Jackson.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

After all these years of trying to be a critic of the FO, you remain clueless as to the rules that govern the game.

[TD 21]

At this point I could possibly see Manu retiring after this season if the Spurs don't get to the top again. He's won everything he could possibly win so what's really left for him to compete for? Besides he has kids now who want and need his time.

The same could be said for Duncan and lo and behold, he's coming back for at least 2 and maybe 3 years. I think Ginobili will play as long as he feels good physically, still enjoys playing and still feels the Spurs have a shot at contending. In other words, barring some debilitating injury next season, I think he'll re-sign for 2 years/$16-18M (2nd year player option), then retire at the same time as Duncan.

[Mel_13]

I think Ginobili will play as long as he feels good physically, still enjoys playing and still feels the Spurs have a shot at contending.

Yes.

[therealtruth]

Jack or RJ

They threw too much money at RJ and now that money is tied up with over paying Jackson.

I'd rather be overpaying for Jax than RJ.

[Obstructed_View]

Given his performance in the playoffs, Jack was a ing bargain. It's pretty likely he's got more of those in his tank.

[sasffl]

The tax is around 7030. Spurs have passed the line. Maybe that's the reason Tim sign for a contract with less money. Furthermore, spurs have room to sign one or two players in minimum contract

[rascal]

Given his performance in the playoffs, Jack was a ing bargain. It's pretty likely he's got more of those in his tank.

Not a bargain at all. Too much money tied up with him because of the RJ move.

[rascal]

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

After all these years of trying to be a critic of the FO, you remain clueless as to the rules that govern the game.

Too much money locked up with Jackson because they re-signed RJ on a bad contract, then dumped RJ for Jackson. after it all shakes out too much money going to Jackson now.

[007nites]

Do you guys think that Timmy will re-sign another two year contract once his 3 years are over. Possibly a vet minimum?

[benefactor]

Too much money locked up with Jackson because they re-signed RJ on a bad contract, then dumped RJ for Jackson. after it all shakes out too much money going to Jackson now.

I'm not sure what kind of point you are trying to make. It's universally accepted that re-signing RJ was a mistake...one that the FO basically admitted to. You don't have to convince anyone that was a bad move. Of course Jack is overpaid, but he's much better than RJ and he's significantly cheaper. I would say they did a pretty good job of making lemonade out of such a disastrous situation.

[racm]

Jack relishing the role of modern Steve Smith/Horry, tbh

[Mel_13]

Too much money locked up with Jackson because they re-signed RJ on a bad contract, then dumped RJ for Jackson. after it all shakes out too much money going to Jackson now.

So predictable.

rascal moves the goalposts after his original point is exposed as unsustainable.

It's difficult to understand why someone would choose to remain ignorant when the tools to overcome that ignorance are readily available. Learn the rules and try again:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

[rascal]

So predictable.

rascal moves the goalposts after his original point is exposed as unsustainable.

It's difficult to understand why someone would choose to remain ignorant when the tools to overcome that ignorance are readily available. Learn the rules and try again:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

That was my original point all along, no goal posts were moved. The fact you failed to see it is your ignorance.

[Mel_13]

That was my original point all along, no goal posts were moved. The fact you failed to see it is your ignorance.

No it wasn't.

Everyone that can read, and understands the rules, can see that.

Read the rules and try again:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

[therealtruth]

I'm not sure what kind of point you are trying to make. It's universally accepted that re-signing RJ was a mistake...one that the FO basically admitted to. You don't have to convince anyone that was a bad move. Of course Jack is overpaid, but he's much better than RJ and he's significantly cheaper. I would say they did a pretty good job of making lemonade out of such a disastrous situation.

Trading for RJ was the mistake. Resigning him compounded it. However if they hadn't resigned him they would have had a cap hole they couldn't have filled with anyone meaningful at SF. The SF market that year wasn't that great. Alot of ST posters were clamoring for Travis Outlaw and he ended up getting amnestied.

[benefactor]

Trading for RJ was the mistake. Resigning him compounded it. However if they hadn't resigned him they would have had a cap hole they couldn't have filled with anyone meaningful at SF. The SF market that year wasn't that great. Alot of ST posters were clamoring for Travis Outlaw and he ended up getting amnestied.

This is the worst argument ever for re-signing RJ.

"We don't have anyone else...so lets sign this bag of to a huge contract."

[ploto]

I think Ginobili will play as long as he feels good physically, still enjoys playing and still feels the Spurs have a shot at contending. In other words, barring some debilitating injury next season, I think he'll re-sign for 2 years/$16-18M (2nd year player option), then retire at the same time as Duncan.

Not so sure how good Manu actually feels much of the time.

[dunkman]

Imo RJ and the Spurs had a deal. He would opt-out of the $15m option, saving the Spurs another $15m on luxury tax and the Spurs were to re-sign him 4 seasons for $39m.

Option A was to let RJ pick the option, cost: $30m for only one season.
Option B was to make a deal: $39 for 4 seasons, which was then shortened by a season at the cost of a first round pick.

At the time of the deal, RJ was a "sunk cost", the mistake was to take his contract from the Bucks.

[tesseractive]

This is the worst argument ever for re-signing RJ.

"We don't have anyone else...so lets sign this bag of to a huge contract."

That's the kind of front office move you expect for the Knicks or Orlando or teams like that, and the kind of front office move the Spurs don't make. It's really simple: they completely overrated Jefferson, and they've paid a huge price for that mistake.

Fortunately, the amazing thing is not that they made a mistake like that, but that they make so few of them that the ones they make really stand out.