right on cue, Boutons
While that may be the case, is it asking too much to ask the resident board conservatives to weigh in on the Ryan budget? If they don't think that reducing discretionary spending to 3% of GDP is extreme, would they like to explain how to realistically move the federal government out of the realm of things like Education, Training, Social Services, Transportation, Income Security, Health, etc?
Dunno. Have you tried asking?
Actually, those were the words of Jacob Weisberg as quoted in Krugman's blog. But, instead of dismissing the author out of hand why don't you address the fact that your new vice presidential candidate's budget is so wildly unrealistic that, the only way it can add up is to shrink all discretionary spending to around 3 percent of GDP by 2050. This is in addition to the unspecified loopholes in the budget to be closed to pay for $4.6T in additional tax cuts.
This is a legitimate issue. All I have heard since Saturday is that this guy is a wonk and knows the budget inside and out. Ok fine, let's have a legitimate debate about what the federal government would look like when discretionary spending is 3 percent of GDP. I am pretty sure I know who would win that debate, and you do to, which is why Republicans don't want to have it.Do you not think that the goal cutting discretionary spending to 3% of GDP is an extreme budget? The current defense budget alone accounts for over 4% of GDP. Do you have any actual thoughts on Ryan's proposed budget?
yeah, it's extreme. so extreme that I doubt Ryan's own party would ever pass it, even holding all the reins.
spending is power. the GOP knows that as well as anyone else. just look at the eight years before Obama.
Vitamin I injection. [x] Complete
Glad we agree. Let me know if you spot one of the resident board conservatives weigh in on the issue.
While Calling Stimulus ‘Wasteful,’ Paul Ryan Secured Millions Of Dollars In Grants For Clean Energy
According to do ents obtained by the Boston Globe, Rep. Ryan (R-WI) lobbied the Department of Energy for tens of millions of dollars in stimulus grants for Wisconsin energy initiatives at least four times — even while calling the stimulus a “wasteful spending spree.”
The Globe reports:
“This trillion dollar spending bill misses the mark on all counts,” said Ryan in a statement from his office. “This is not a crisis we can spend and borrow our way out of – that is how we got here in the first place.”
But later that year, once the bill was passed and signed into law, Ryan sought to make sure his cons uents benefited.
On October 5, 2009, he wrote a letter to Chu on behalf of the nonprofit Energy Center of Wisconsin, which was applying for a grant under the Recovery Act’s Geothermal Technologies Program.
Under the grant program the center received a total of $240,000, according to its president, Frank Greb.
The same day Ryan sent another letter advocating for a grant application, in which the Energy Center partnered with Milwaukee Area Technical College, for training building technicians and operators in energy-saving techniques. For that program, the government provided $740,364, according to federal records.
But the biggest payoff came for the Wisconsin Energy Conservation Corporation. Ryan predicted the $20 million grant would be able to “create or retain approximately 7,600 new jobs over the three-year grant period and the subsequent three years.”
Yet in an interview with MSNBC two years later, Ryan again bashed the stimulus package.
Ryan is best known for his role as chairman of the House Budget Committee. He’s well liked within the Tea Party for his strong rhetoric on slashing federal spending (cutting everything except the military and fossil fuel subsidies) — a key reason why he was chosen by the Romney campaign.
However, according to the do ents, Ryan requested millions of dollars for a variety of programs under the stimulus package, including $5.4 million for bus services and tens of millions of dollars for renewable energy and efficiency programs.
Ryan joins at least 62 Congressional Republicans who have actively lobbied the government for loan guarantees and grants for clean energy companies in their districts — even while many of them have publicly criticized the stimulus program that provided a boost to local companies and organizations around the country. According to the Department of Energy, the loan guarantee programs created or saved over 60,000 jobs and the 1603 grant program supported up to 75,000 jobs, stimulating tens of billions of dollars in private-sector activity.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...-clean-energy/
And the non-Repug/Fox press is JUST GETTING STARTED!
As a board conservative, whatever the that is, I view Ryan's budget plan as irrelevant. It's vaporware in legislative guise.
that's well put, TB
Thanks. I agree that it is irrelevant in that it will never become law, but, I do think that it should frame the debate on the size and role of government.
A completely invalid budget plan should frame a debate?
Might as well solicit input from my chihuahua.
Ryan's budget strategy match up exactly with the VRWC strategy going back to Lewis Powell's "let's take our (1%) country back" from the 99%.
It's exactly what they want to do. They have been and will be relentlessly pursuing that strategy.
lol thinkprogress
rethought this in light of this:
http://reason.com/archives/2012/08/1...bout-paul-ryanRyan's much-hyped budget plan would eliminate the deficit, "but not until 2040 or so," my colleague Mike Tanner explains, and his cuts in domestic discretionary spending amount to an average of just $35.2 billion per year below what Obama himself has proposed.
so, maybe not so extreme or unlikely wrt to discretionary spending, but refashioning en lements is a whole nother ball of wax.
to say nothing of tax reform
That budget was passed by the house and the Republican nominee for POTUS said he would sign that budget into law. Why shouldn't it frame the debate? Let's lay out what the government would look like under Ryan's plan and let the people decide whether or not they share the same view as to the role of the federal government.A completely invalid budget plan should frame a debate?
Might as well solicit input from my chihuahua.
So, not a debate then. We need a lecture series?
A debate defines nothing in the contemporary political usage.
Sure. I guess Harry Reid could have brought it up for debate in the Senate.
My bad. I framed my response within the context of a campaign debate.
Ha. I was referring to a campaign debate too until it dawned on me that it could have been brought up for debate by Reid since it passed the House.
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Mitt Romney Calls Paul Ryan’s Medicare Cuts ‘Extraordinary’
Mitt Romney described the Medicare cuts included in Paul Ryan’s budget as “extraordinary,” during his visit to a mining operation in Beallsville, Ohio on Tuesday — just days after his campaign claimed that he would have signed the reductions into law as part of the Ryan blueprint.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012...extraordinary/
Gecko NoWhereMan is so ing stupid. He can't remember his positions from day to day.
Paul Ryan’s Family Business Built On Government Contracts
A current search of Defense Department contracts suggests that “Ryan Incorporated Central” has had at least 22 defense contracts with the federal government since 1996, including one from 1996 worth $5.6 million. … Mr. Anti-Spending secured millions in earmarks for his home state of Wisconsin, including, among other things, $3.3 million for highway projects. And Ryan voted to preserve $40 billion in special subsidies for big oil, an industry in which, it so happens, Ryan and his wife hold ownership stakes.
http://thinkprogress.org/election/20...ent-contracts/
Ryan is 100% fraud, a liar, total fake, the epitome of the 99% and enrich/protect the 1%.
Campaign Chair: Romney Will Explain What Part Of Ryan’s Plan He Opposes In ‘The Next Couple Of Days’
Since Paul Ryan was unveiled as the Vice Presidential nominee on Saturday, the Romney campaign has had a variety of conflicting answers regarding Ryan’s controversial budget.
This afternoon on MSNBC, Romney’s campaign chairman, John Sununu, unveiled a new response: get back to us in a “couple of days.”
http://thinkprogress.org/election/20...ouple-of-days/
Holy , Gecko and his team were totally unprepared for the -storm Ryan has visited upon their confused, amateur, out-of-touch, on-message-NOT! heads.
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