If you don't vaccinate your children, you are a horrible parent. Period

[Blake]

Miserable clown.

Change quotes, post some emoticons, declare victory, repeat.

[SA210]

I'm a miserable clown because I hate myself

[RandomGuy]

you keep asking question yet you never answered my original question. Why does a healthy adult need a flu shot dose every year?

As for why a healthy person needs a flu shot, to my understanding:

A healthy person does not. That is however, beside the point.

Healthy people are encouraged to get flu shots, because flu shots increase immune response times to actual flu, making any illness shorter, and lessening the contagious period. This keeps outbreaks more minor, and exposes fewer unhealthy people to potentially harmful flu.

As to when or if you get more sick or less sick than an "average" family:

I do not have enough data to be able to say for certain if that is indeed the case.

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/topics/Page...yImmunity.aspx

Vaccines can prevent outbreaks of disease and save lives.

When a critical portion of a community is immunized against a contagious disease, most members of the community are protected against that disease because there is little opportunity for an outbreak. Even those who are not eligible for certain vaccines—such as infants, pregnant women, or immunocompromised individuals—get some protection because the spread of contagious disease is contained. This is known as "community immunity."

In the illustration below, the top box depicts a community in which no one is immunized and an outbreak occurs. In the middle box, some of the population is immunized but not enough to confer community immunity. In the bottom box, a critical portion of the population is immunized, protecting most community members.

The principle of community immunity applies to control of a variety of contagious diseases, including influenza, measles, mumps, rotavirus, and pneumococcal disease.

[RandomGuy]

I never said "I know it is false". I raised the question, how can you take BigPharma's studies as truth when they have billions of dollars at stake? (question)

if there is any proof, I'm sure it's studies performed by BigPharma

truth is there is no study needed to tell me a healthy adult does not require a yearly flu shot. None whatsoever. It's a big money making scam. And many ignorant masses fell headfirst into it.

"if" there is any proof, very strongly implies to anyone with common sense that your position is they are lying.

If I have gotten what you say/think wrong, by all means elucidate. I am not intentially trying to distort anything you said, merely trying to understand.

Do you think there is evidence that vaccines work?

[RandomGuy]

How do you differentiate the effects of natural medicine from the placebo effect?

It wasn't the answer that you wanted based on your own flawed and brainwashed theory. Thanks for proving that you have your mind made up no matter what. Stay sick my friend lol

(shrugs)

I honestly didn't see an answer to it.

Can you briefly tell me what part of your post was the answer? The only answer I "want" is a simple, clear explanation as to what you think the answer *is*.

[leemajors]

Polio outbreak in Syria due to lack of vaccination:

http://io9.com/so-polio-is-a-thing-a...ria-1460139407

[boutons_deux]

Polio outbreak in Syria due to lack of vaccination:

http://io9.com/so-polio-is-a-thing-a...ria-1460139407

some vaccines work, BigPharma sells a lot that are useless.

[RandomGuy]

some vaccines work, BigPharma sells a lot that are useless.

Polio vaccines, however, did, and do work. The disease is almost extinct.

[pgardn]

some vaccines work, BigPharma sells a lot that are useless.

Like flu vaccines?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...gn=mostpopular

apparently whooping cough is making a comeback.

[pgardn]

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...gn=mostpopular

apparently whooping cough is making a comeback.

Yet another example of why vaccinations are important for the good of an entire population, not just the individual.
BTW, adults can also be carriers and give it to unvaccinated kids. 200,000 cases and 9000 deaths in a much smaller US population before the vaccine. And a bunch of kids with irreparably damaged lungs.

Last year Washington state had a very bad outbreak as well.

Vaccinations are big pharmas attempt to make money apparently. The success of vaccines is of course never noted.

[boutons_deux]

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...gn=mostpopular

apparently whooping cough is making a comeback.

Bordetella pertussis vaccine seems to one that actually works (don't know how many people are injured or killed by it as collateral damage)

http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/about/d...treatment.html


Whooping Cough Vaccine Loses Effectiveness Faster Than Thought

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1880922.html

[ChumpDumper]

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...gn=mostpopular

apparently whooping cough is making a comeback.

Thanks, Obama.

[leemajors]

http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/5/51...h-experts-warn

It's been fifty years since the United States approved a vaccine to prevent measles — and more than a decade since the disease was declared eliminated in the country. But now, the rate of measles is once again on the rise: a new report from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has concluded that 2013 saw measles infections increase to three times the typical number.

[Winehole23]

thank you for mentioning this, leemajors.

related: http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post6894568

[RandomGuy]

"This year is on track to be the worst for measles in more than a decade, according to new numbers released Thursday by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. And people who refuse to vaccinate their children are behind the increasing number of outbreaks, health officials say...
Nearly two-thirds of the reported cases happened in three outbreaks in communities where many people don't vaccinate their children for religious or philosophical reasons."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/12/health...-measles-year/

Another case of stupidity and/or faith being quite literally dangerous.

I genuinely fear for the safety of my brother's children, and that of SA210's. Despite his chest thumping, his ego will not save his kids from micro-organisms.

[I. Hustle]

[Trainwreck2100]

flu shot, never again

[I. Hustle]

Animal blood I completely understand but formaldehyde?

[Blake]

Is thimerosal (mercury based preservative) in vaccines safe?

Yes. There is a large body of scientific evidence on the safety of thimerosal. Data from several studies show the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines do not cause harm, and are only associated with minor local injection site reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site.Three U.S. health agencies (The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and the National Ins utes of Health (NIH)) have reviewed the published research on thimerosal and found it to be a safe product to use in vaccines. Three independent organizations [The National Academy of Sciences’ Ins ute of Medicine, Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP)] reviewed the published research and also found thimerosal to be a safe product to use in vaccines. The medical community supports the use of thimerosal in influenza vaccines to protect against potential bacterial contamination of multi-dose vials.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vacci...bile=nocontent

[Blake]

The average quan y of formaldehyde to which a young infant could be exposed at one time may be as high as 0.2 mg (see table below). This quan y of formaldehyde is considered to be safe for two reasons:

First, formaldehyde is essential in human metabolism and is required for the synthesis of DNA and amino acids (the building blocks of protein). Therefore, all humans have detectable quan ies of natural formaldehyde in their circulation (about 2.5 ug of formaldehyde per ml of blood). Assuming an average weight of a 2-month-old of 5 kg and an average blood volume of 85 ml per kg, the total quan y of formaldehyde found in an infant's circulation would be about 1.1 mg, a value at least five-fold greater than that to which an infant would be exposed in vaccines.

Second, quan ies of formaldehyde at least 600 fold greater than that contained in vaccines have been given safely to animals.

http://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine-...maldehyde.html

[pgardn]

Is thimerosal (mercury based preservative) in vaccines safe?


Yes. There is a large body of scientific evidence on the safety of thimerosal. Data from several studies show the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines do not cause harm, and are only associated with minor local injection site reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site.Three U.S. health agencies (The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and the National Ins utes of Health (NIH)) have reviewed the published research on thimerosal and found it to be a safe product to use in vaccines. Three independent organizations [The National Academy of Sciences’ Ins ute of Medicine, Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP)] reviewed the published research and also found thimerosal to be a safe product to use in vaccines. The medical community supports the use of thimerosal in influenza vaccines to protect against potential bacterial contamination of multi-dose vials.


http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vacci...bile=nocontent


This won't help.

They have a picture of a poster board...

[mrsmaalox]

Animal blood I completely understand but formaldehyde?

There is no animal blood, but why would you understand it? The virus is cultivated in chicken embryos, then separated from any chicken and the formaldehyde kills anything chicken that may still be present.

[Winehole23]

I've reached no conclusion about the flu vaccine. I don't get sick often, so I don't use it.

[Blake]

I understand the antifreeze. It gets cold in the winter sometimes.