Got my CPS PV solar rebate approved

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In One Fell Swoop Obama Announces Solar Jobs For 50,000 Veterans and Takes On Climate Change

Yesterday, in one fell swoop, the President took decisive action to address both job creation for Veterans and reducing carbon dioxide emissions. The White House announced that beginning this fall the United States will launch a six-year job training program for America’s Veterans in the growing solar panel installation industry. Since Republicans have relentlessly obstructed jobs programs for America’s Veterans, the President took it upon himself to enact the program at American military bases and provide job training for at least 50,000 veterans. It is training for about 50,000 more Veterans than Republicans have provided despite several proposals and requests by the President to help America’s fighting men and women returning from war.

It is certain the Koch brothers will direct Republicans to launch an opposition campaign against both the Veteran’s job program and clean energy proposals. Through ALEC and the Koch’s Americans for Prosperity, there has been a multi-faceted assault on any renewable or clean energy programs across the nation because the Koch’s will not tolerate any energy source that cuts into the oil industry’s profits.

In fact, it was reported yesterday that in Texas, the state’s Republican comptroller said it is unfair that the wind energy industry received tax credits to grow the industry. Susan Combs singled out wind energy and said tax credits gave the industry “an unfair market advantage over the other power source.”

Translation; the fossil fuel industry will not countenance compe ion despite its “unfair market advantage” amounting to billions-of-dollars in tax credits, billions in taxpayer-funded subsidies, and freedom to pollute.

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/10/...iticus+USA+%29

What will TX Repugs do to block training of vets for the solar industry?

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Kochs and Walmart Clan Wage Dirty War to Stop You From Putting Solar Panels on Your Home

That prospect is enough to upset the Koch brothers, the heirs of the Walmart fortune and the utility industry, all which are trying to stamp out the rooftop solar movement or at least make a tidy profit penalizing the people who use it. With the help of powerful lobbyists and PACs like the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) and Americans for Prosperity, they are set to do battle in statehouses across the nation in 2015.

ALEC, which receives much of its funding from the utility industry and fossil-fuel investors like the Kochs, has long been an opponent of renewable energyand the Obama administration’s effort to reduce carbon emissions, is working with conservative activists and corporate interests to fight homeowners who are installing solar panels on their roofs. Calling people who install rooftop solar panel “freeriders,” another word for freeloaders, the pro-corporate group is actively promoting legislation in states to charge fees, even exorbitant ones, for rooftop solar installations.

Behind the lobbyists are the megarich Walton family. The majority owners of the Walmart retail chain also own several energy interests, including a 30% stake in First Solar, which makes the parts for huge commerical installations of solar panels that operate like power plants. A recent report by the Ins ute for Local Self-Reliance shows that the Waltons are giving lobbyist organizations millions to attack renewable energy laws at the state level. Their prime targets are the homeowners and businesses that opt for solar panels to provide their own electricity.

Tag-teaming with the Koch brothers and some of the nation’s largest utilities, the Waltons are not being shy in browbeating state lawmakers and agencies to roll back or throw out their renewable energy policies. Over the past few years, they’ve bankrolled campaigns against residential solar in Arizona, Kansas, North Carolina, South Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma and Washington.

So, if you’re the CEO of a large energy utility owner like Duke Energy, or you’re the Kochs, the Waltons or any other person or ins ution heavily vested in energy, you’ve got millions, if not billions, of reasons to cir vent and gut the compe ion. And because your chief rival is not another corporation, but millions of individual homeowners and businesses, you can’t buy them out directly, so you buy out their government representatives. In this era of Citizens United, nothing is stopping you from dispatching swarms of lobbyists to butter up or even threaten politicians to do your bidding. In 2015, this is the American way.

http://www.alternet.org/environment/...l-solar-panels

[Wild Cobra]

Boutons...

They aren't against the new technology.

They are against subsidizing the people to buy it!

[TDMVPDPOY]

Boutons...

They aren't against the new technology.

They are against subsidizing the people to buy it!

the more ppl who adopt solar, the power companies will just pass on their losses to current customers with increase fees for services they didnt render...

its already happening down here...

green energy was meant to be a new industry, creating thousands of jobs, only to see a monkey looking got come into govt change everything not believing in alternative energy...

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http://ecowatch.com/2015/01/07/solar...3e674-85879165

And the Repugs, s to BigCarbon, are on the wrong side history, as always.

[Wild Cobra]

And the Repugs, s to BigCarbon, are on the wrong side history, as always.

That's a lie.

Nobody is stopping you from building, or stopping anyone else.

For the home consumer and commercial users, it takes out the distribution and transmission charges per kWh which is 1/3rd of my bill. When commercial en ies do this, they must still get back the money from their customers.

Please explain how republicans and big business are on the wrong side of history beyond not wanting to pay subsidies using other tax payers money.

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Boutons...

They aren't against the new technology.

They are against subsidizing the people to buy it!

You're so ing stupid.

EEI and all the centralized utilities (cartels, local monopolies), plus ALEC, etc, are dead set against letting distributed/rooftop solar disrupt their guaranteed cash flow from captive customers.

[CosmicCowboy]

centralized solar sucks. Our utility is paying 11 cents a KWH at the solar farm and still has to distribute it and is selling it at the wall plug for 9 cents.

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centralized solar sucks. Our utility is paying 11 cents a KWH at the solar farm and still has to distribute it and is selling it at the wall plug for 9 cents.

yep, that's one crazy deal. Makes wonder who got paid?

http://solarcellcentral.com/cost_page.html

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That's a lie.

Nobody is stopping you from building, or stopping anyone else.

For the home consumer and commercial users, it takes out the distribution and transmission charges per kWh which is 1/3rd of my bill. When commercial en ies do this, they must still get back the money from their customers.

Please explain how republicans and big business are on the wrong side of history beyond not wanting to pay subsidies using other tax payers money.

AZ and other states are PENALIZING solar residences with fees that make roof top solar pay back MUCH longer, so harder to justify.

CPS Energy proposed that, and Solar San Antonio got it killed.

[Wild Cobra]

yep, that's one crazy deal. Makes wonder who got paid?

http://solarcellcentral.com/cost_page.html

It's reasons like this that so many people are against more of it!

The tax payers pay in the end. We keep getting shafted by the feds, and you want the feds to force more of this shafting...

You may like bending over for the feds, but I don't!

[Wild Cobra]

AZ and other states are PENALIZING solar residences with fees that make roof top solar pay back MUCH longer, so harder to justify.

CPS Energy proposed that, and Solar San Antonio got it killed.

I missed that in all the discussions I saw. What I saw is people crying because they don;'t get the same money back. You know, there are three primary costs for the electricity. The power itself, transmission fees, and distribution fees. Solar uses should only expect to get the power cost. The transmission and distribution fees, if anything, might be deducted, but they most certainly should get paid back for those.

[Wild Cobra]

yep, that's one crazy deal. Makes wonder who got paid?

Probably Al Gore et. al.

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http://www.eia.gov/electricity/month...fm?t=epmt_5_03

http://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/...=0,1&endsec=vg

[CosmicCowboy]

I missed that in all the discussions I saw. What I saw is people crying because they don;'t get the same money back. You know, there are three primary costs for the electricity. The power itself, transmission fees, and distribution fees. Solar uses should only expect to get the power cost. The transmission and distribution fees, if anything, might be deducted, but they most certainly should get paid back for those.

I don't understand why you think we should have to pay extra fees for transmission. If I power my house by generating half of the power locally and then buy the other half from the utility then I should only have to pay transmission fees on the 1/2 I bought.

Lets say my house is 4000 sq feet and my next door neighbors house is 2000 sq. feet. Because I generate half my electricity from solar we end up buying the exact same amount of electricity from the power company. Why should I pay higher fees for "transmission" than my neighbor does just because I have a solar array?

[Wild Cobra]

I don't understand why you think we should have to pay extra fees for transmission. If I power my house by generating half of the power locally and then buy the other half from the utility then I should only have to pay transmission fees on the 1/2 I bought.

Lets say my house is 4000 sq feet and my next door neighbors house is 2000 sq. feet. Because I generate half my electricity from solar we end up buying the exact same amount of electricity from the power company. Why should I pay higher fees for "transmission" than my neighbor does just because I have a solar array?

I'm only saying that people shouldn't expect to get back the transmission and distribution fees when sending electricity back in the grid. I wouldn't expect, but I suppose there might be cause if they wanted to charge a transmission fee to send the electricity back to them, but I'm not sure about that.

At any rate, I don't think what energy you sell back should be any more than what they pay for it from their source. Should they be required to pay more just to benefit you?

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm only saying that people shouldn't expect to get back the transmission and distribution fees when sending electricity back in the grid. I wouldn't expect, but I suppose there might be cause if they wanted to charge a transmission fee to send the electricity back to them, but I'm not sure about that.

At any rate, I don't think what energy you sell back should be any more than what they pay for it from their source. Should they be required to pay more just to benefit you?

what little I sell back goes right into my next door neighbors house. It doesn't have to come from the power plant.

[Wild Cobra]

what little I sell back goes right into my next door neighbors house. It doesn't have to come from the power plant.

So you wish for a case by case option? How much does such studies cost to review and implement? How many costumers would it affect?

You're a business man, try looking at it from their perspective. What would you do if you were in their shoes?

How about Scott's bar? Let's say for example he sells beer for $4.00 a bottle. If a regular customer starts bring his own beer, should Scott have to pay that customer $4.00 a bottle for what he doesn't drink? It might just be going to the guy at the next table.

[Th'Pusher]

So you wish for a case by case option? How much does such studies cost to review and implement? How many costumers would it affect?

You're a business man, try looking at it from their perspective. What would you do if you were in their shoes?

How about Scott's bar? Let's say for example he sells beer for $4.00 a bottle. If a regular customer starts bring his own beer, should Scott have to pay that customer $4.00 a bottle for what he doesn't drink? It might just be going to the guy at the next table.

cc why don't you call this dumbass the dumbass he is? You're not one to hold back on personal insults. It's your mo (particularly when you have no argument). You actually have an argument here. Resort to your chimpish ad hominem. It'll be funny.

[CosmicCowboy]

cc why don't you call this dumbass the dumbass he is? You're not one to hold back on personal insults. It's your mo (particularly when you have no argument). You actually have an argument here. Resort to your chimpish ad hominem. It'll be funny.

I just had to shake my head at that analogy. Besides, I'm crazy busy at work.

[Wild Cobra]

CC, instead of thinking you are en led like liberals do, to free storage on the grid, how about checking out what these guys have:





link in pic.

[CosmicCowboy]

Sheeeeut. I'm not moving to Idaho and going of the grid.

WC, one part you are forgetting is that our power company has a finite amount of generating capacity and our metropolitan are is growing like crazy. Having the solar supplement helps them to postpone building the next billion dollar power plant.

The other part you are forgetting is that in Texas, solar systems put out power right when the grid is stressed the most...in the afternoons when all the AC's are running full out to fight the heat.

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...in the afternoons when all the AC's are running full out to fight the heat.

there was a study that showed solar panels are more productive when oriented not due south but to the south and with a slight tilt to the west, so they are, in the Sun Belt, more productive mid, late afternoon when temps and A/C loads are max.

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Solar Is Creating Jobs Nearly 20 Times Faster Than Overall U.S. Economy

Despite attacks on clean, renewable energy around the country, creating uncertainty in the sector, job creation grew dramatically. It outperformed the slowly improving U.S. economy, creating jobs at nearly 20 times the rate of the overall economy.

Last year, jobs in solar increased by 21.8 percent, adding up to 31,000 new jobs in 2014 and bringing the total number of solar-related jobs in the U.S. to 173,800. That’s an increase of 86 percent since 2010. The vast majority—approximately 157,500— work 100 percent on solar activities.

http://ecowatch.com/2015/01/15/solar...f34d9-85879165

Now, if only the Repugs, VRWC, ALEC, BigCarbon would stop trying to kill renewable energy.

[Wild Cobra]

Sheeeeut. I'm not moving to Idaho and going of the grid.

WC, one part you are forgetting is that our power company has a finite amount of generating capacity and our metropolitan are is growing like crazy. Having the solar supplement helps them to postpone building the next billion dollar power plant.

The other part you are forgetting is that in Texas, solar systems put out power right when the grid is stressed the most...in the afternoons when all the AC's are running full out to fight the heat.

Actually, I do understand that. I just don't think its right to expect the same money back as what you pay for it. At a minimum, there is a 4% loss of the power you generate before it makes it to your neighbor unless you are on the dame distribution transformer. I think that's unlikely. If we assume that you and half the other residents in your area generated enough solar power to feed the grid, and your neighbors who don't have solar, then the electric company would be making no money to maintain the distribution system between you and your neighbors. I think it's great that you can get some money back for your extra power, but seriously. Why should you get the same price as what you pay when you don't generate enough?

I find it irritating, that you, as a conservative, portray what I see as an en lement mentality. Leave that en lement whining to the lib s.