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Watching all these athletes run up and down the floor and clanging shot after shot reminds me that putting the ball in the basket is becoming a lost skill.
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Watching all these athletes run up and down the floor and clanging shot after shot reminds me that putting the ball in the basket is becoming a lost skill.
From my observations, he plays the game non complicated. He makes the right moves on offense, whether its pump fakes and drives, spot up shooting on the pick and roll, or making the easy pass for a good to great shot. He also rebounds adequately for his size.
What I like the most from him is his movement without the ball. He hasn't played much 3 for us during the summer league which is telling. It seems the Spurs see him as a situational 3 and small ball four which makes sense considering we already have Manu and Marco to man the 2 and 3, if Green does in fact stay in the starting lineup. R.C. did mention him as a backup to Kawhi, but I think that was a technical term.
If he played like he does now in summer league during the season one might think he is more valuable than a Boris due to his shot making ability, driving, and passing skills.
We know he's too small for a 4 and too slow for a 3 but in an evolving NBA landscape that's moving towards small ball, he could be prototypical in that aspect. He could hide on a Tiago Splitter or Kendrick Perkins. Don't like saying one of our own guys but he has already done it against Cody Zeller and Mike Scott although Scott did go off. He would fit very well as a weapon that hides on another limited player(Mike Miller), a player that isn't a primary option on offense(Tayshaun Prince), or someone you could live with as a scorer(Dramont Green).
All in all I think he could contribute next year especially if he plays like this and continues to grow the way he has. I would put him at 20 mins with 9 points 4 boards or 10-15mins around 7 points and 3 boards considering he is a high per guy.
in my opinion, it somewhat resembles diaw less ability to pass and shot better or easiness of getting his own shot, but what surprises me and reading before the summer league, thought he was a guy individualist, but he has offense played right, and left the game to go for it, have to face a spurs player system
Your takes are so horrible... the reason they got playing time was because of injuries, it was a last resort.
Pop trusted them enough and most of them panned out. Some of them ended up leaving or not staying with the Spurs long term but that's a different story. Pop trusts anyone that can play. He don't give a about age. I'm surprised that you disagreed on me complimenting Pop, I mean aren't you supposed to be a Popsucker?
It's not trusting players if it's your only option to play them dummy...
-Danny Green's emergence came at the expense of Ginobili's injury and lack of depth at SF at the time
-Dejuan Blair's emergence came when he was only Center on the Spurs team not name Matt Bonner
-Beno's emergence came from the ankle injuries Parker always had
-I don't even know why the you mentioned James Anderson, that guy averaged like 2 minutes of playing time max, he shouldn't even be in this discussion
-Kawhi Leonard's emergence came because S-Jax was waived (yeah I said it). You really think if S-Jax was on the team Kawhi would have seen any more than 17-20+ minutes on the floor? I don't think so.
-George Hill is probably the only player that Pop pampered and even then he refused to play George Hill over Parker when we were getting beat by the Grizzles
Your point is just stupid.
I thought Kawhi was part of the reason the shipped RJ off? His emergence made it easy to trade RJ off.
Nope. RJ was shipped off because he didn't learn the system and couldn't execute the plays needed, so the Spurs traded RJ's contract to get back Stephen Jackson, who helped a lot more. However, since Stephen Jackson was waived, the SF position became thin, and Kawhi was the only true SF on the team
Kawhi been starting ever since RJ left though? Jackson been coming off bench since he had came over.
Dumbass, there are 12 roster spots on the court. Players are inlcuded on the 12 roster available spots because they will probably see some playing time.
Ever since Tim Duncan has been out of his prime which was around 2008/2009, Pop tweaked his system to include more players on the rotation. Pop used to be old school where he would use an old-fashioned/playoff 8 man rotation. The moment Pop implemented his new motion offense where ball movement became the emphasis, that was the moment where Pop began to have more trust on the young guys.
Injuries had nothing to do with Pop trusting the young guns. Pop realized that he can no longer rely just on the Big 3 therefore he began experimenting trying to discover new gems in role players. Pop (became an offensive coach) fell in love with his lab experiments that he decided to use a 9-10 man rotation throughout the regular season.
Pop fell so in love with this new system that he started picking up bad habits such as relying way too much on role players which is a major reason why the Spurs have had playoff failure after playoff failure. Role players can't win you championships on the road or when facing adversity, very rarely does it happen (2004 Pistons). Superstars win you championship when adversity is at its best. Tony Parker getting shut down or dissapearing every playoff year is another reason why we haven't won a championship.
The big reason why the Spurs have been so successful these past two seasons is because of Tim Duncan's resurgence. Tim Duncan and Kawhi Leonard almost carried us to #5 until Pop with his newly picked up bad habits and Manu ed it all up.
So yeah, Pop is good at trusting young guys, he don't give a about their age. If he notices that they can play, that they can contribute, then they will crack into the rotation. Don't be a moron and try to deny all this. Injuries might have played a part in developing young players but not as much as you're implying.
Last edited by TheGreatYacht; 07-18-2013 at 01:46 AM.
Did you become a Spurs fan in April? Leonard has been the starting small-forward and playing big minutes since the Jack trade in 2012. A big reason why Jack was so upset is that he wasn't getting a lot of minutes due to Leonard and Green being ahead of him in the wing rotation. Had Jack remained on the team, he would have seen some of Neal's, Green's, Ginobili's and Diaw's minutes in the Finals, but Leonard would have played just as much.
He's actually pretty correct when he explains Pop's mentality toward young players, at least as to how it pertains to games that matter. Pop almost never gives rookies big minutes in the playoffs. Leonard and Neal (and Blair to a small extent) were exceptions. He's the guy who refused to put Hill, Splitter and Green into the games their first playoffs until the series was already lost. Most players in general and young players in particular have what is essentially a red-shirt season in San Antonio. What happened with Joseph isn't all that uncommon, though the players didn't always go to the d-league.
All in all, it's really unlikely Pop would give Thomas any time with the big club this season unless Thomas puts up 15-20 points in garbage time or something. As much as we may like him, he doesn't have any skill that makes him rotation-ready right now. A year in Austin developing his body and game to meet his role will do him wonders.
Well that was my whole argument with GreatYacht to begin with. He said Pop puts his trust in young players, which is not in the same as giving them minutes. Trusting a player means putting your player out on the floor when the game or elimination is on the line, and Pop would never be one to trust young players in those situations barring injuries.
And in response to your prior post, yes I do know that Leonard has been the starting SF and taking up a lot of minutes. However, if Jax was on the team and never complained and did what he was supposed to do, do you think Pop would put Jax in the big moments of the game rather than Kawhi Leonard? I think so... hence my point - Pop does not trust young players when the game is on the line, or when the player is the only option at that position.
Albeit, it wouldn't have been such a stretch to say that Kawhi would've seen playing time at SF while Stephen Jackson played PF.
Chinook I agree with what you're saying. I already know and only a re would fail to realize that Pop doesn't trust his young players come playoff times.
, Pop kept leaving Manu out there in Game 6 so much that it cost us the le. Same thing happened in Game 7. Manu was playing pretty good but he was bound to commit turnovers. Instead of Pop yanking Manu out in the 4th quarter of Game 7 to prevent him from doing something stupid, Pop leaves him out there. Manu turns the ball over twice I think.
The reason I got into this debate is because this dude sexinthatsx is making it seem like Pop doesn't develop players. I guess I should of specified that Pop is good at developing and trusting his young players during the regular season. Sexinthatsx makes it seem like Pop hates young players and doesn't give them opportunities which is complete BS. This is my original comment :
LMAO @ sexinthatsx saying that my "takes are horrible" just because I'm always ting on Pop and Manu. Typical Spurs homer. Most of the homers on this website hate me because I dislike Pop and Manu so they'll try to gang up on me. Frankly I don't give a . A lot of them are consumed by their blind homerism that anything that criticizes Pop or Manu is viewed as pure hatred and ignorance. Their blind faith in Pop and Manu is just as ignorant..
Last edited by TheGreatYacht; 07-18-2013 at 03:51 AM.
Since Leonard was averaging about 34 mpg in the last full month Jack was here, I do think so.
I disagree. Two years, ago, Pop may have benched Leonard for Jack in the playoffs. But I think he was going to live or die by Leonard and Green after they carried the team in the WCSF. Jack would not have drawn Curry's or Thompson's guards, so Kawhi and Danny were going to get the minute they needed. Jack playing well would have given in minutes over Diaw (as you suggested in your other post), Neal or even Ginobili in the latter two games of the Finals. He may have gotten some of Green's minutes in Game 7 but he definitely wasn't going to become a priority unless he showed it during the first three rounds. The way Jack was playing his year, it's doubtful he would've been good enough to play heavy wing minutes.
If Thomas ends up going to Europe, I'd love to see him end up with FC Barcelona.
They have a big hole at SF right now with both Pete Mickael and Joe Ingles leaving the club. Their coach is also known to be a defensive guru capable of getting the most out of players on that end of the floor with the team consistently ranking as one of the best defensive teams in the Euroleague/ACB.
They have at least been rumored to be interested in Andrew Goudelock, so you know that they have people at the summer league scouting players.
Your takes are horrible, there's a reason why everybody in here thinks you troll like a dumbass and run your mouth the way you do...
I actually envisioned Pop using Jax the way Heat used Mike Miller. The guy didn't play at all during the regular season, comes to the finals and hits all his 3's. I know Kawhi can shoot 3's, but given the pressure situations where Jack has been hitting 3's in the past I can definitely see Pop putting Jack on the floor to make those 3's. Like I said though, Kawhi and Jack both playing on the floor at the same time was a possibility, so we never know how it would pan out.
Thomas having an awful game today. 1-10 from the field. Ouch!
bad shooting night, still doing other things well, getting big rebounds, making nice reads with the passing
He doesn't let a bad shooting night affect his game. Still finds other ways to contribute.
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