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    All this time, Cindy Sheehan has been insisting that all she just wants to do is ask Bush why her son died and has led us to believe that even though she met him once, she didn't get a chance to question him. But according to the an interview she gave in the San Francisco Chronicle earlier this year, she did, in fact, get to ask this question and Bush gave her an answer.

    "She met Bush once, during his visit to Fort Lewis, Wash. She says she tried to show the president photos of Casey, but he wouldn't look at them. She says she asked him, "Mr. President, what did my son die for?" and he said, "I believe every person deserves to be free."

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    [QUOTE=whottt]

    W was in the military in Vietnam...he was in the reserves...just like Kerry...his reserve troup never got called into serve...and Daddy Bush did serve.

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    Daddy Bush didn't just serve, he has an impressive war record..

    "On his 18th birthday he enlisted in the armed forces. The youngest pilot in the Navy when he received his wings, he flew 58 combat missions during World War II. On one mission over the Pacific as a torpedo bomber pilot he was shot down by Japanese antiaircraft fire and was rescued from the water by a U. S. submarine. He was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for bravery in action."

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    I was just pointing out the ridiculousness of someone running over a religious/spiritual symbol because he does no believe in the cause they represent.

    Kinda like burning the American flag, no?
    They took what were meant to be memorials to american soldiers killed in combat and shamelessly slammed them into the ground by a highway as a political stunt.

    B-B-B-Bad to the Bone!

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    Of course, Horowitz is wrong, on every point. But it is difficult to get angry with him, or even to take his ranting seriously. When Reagan asked me if I wanted to "dignify" Horowitz's comments with a response, I declined, except to express a measure of sympathy for Horowitz and other true believers who have become so frenzied in their need to defend the Iraq imbroglio that they feel they must attack a grieving mother who wants to make sure that no more parents will have to bury their sons and daughters as a result of the Bush administration's arrogance.
    Excuse my language, but that's horse . The minute she accepted celebrity she accepted all the responsibities that came with it(including being ridiculed). Her son didn't die so she could have carte blance on anything she says.

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    Some here seem to think that this really matters. Frankly, it's the reason a large portion of the population doesn't give a about politics. Then again, I find myself on the outside of the cable "news"/blog/partisan nutjob newscycle looking in.

    The weather sure is nice here.

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    Some here seem to think that this really matters. Frankly, it's the reason a large portion of the population doesn't give a about politics. Then again, I find myself on the outside of the cable "news"/blog/partisan nutjob newscycle looking in.

    The weather sure is nice here.
    It's in Texas, once football starts nobody will care.

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    "She met Bush once, during his visit to Fort Lewis, Wash. She says she tried to show the president photos of Casey, but he wouldn't look at them. She says she asked him, "Mr. President, what did my son die for?" and he said, "I believe every person deserves to be free."
    Ummm..That's not an answer - that's a non-answer, but at least you've helped proven that Cindy had reservations even then about the war.

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    "On his 18th birthday he enlisted in the armed forces. The youngest pilot in the Navy when he received his wings, he flew 58 combat missions during World War II. On one mission over the Pacific as a torpedo bomber pilot he was shot down by Japanese antiaircraft fire and was rescued from the water by a U. S. submarine. He was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for bravery in action."
    But do you know the history behind Bush41's Distinguished Flying Cross for Bravery in Action award?

    Lt George Bush, then a 20-year-old pilot, was among nine airmen who escaped from their planes after being shot down during bombing raids on Chichi Jima, a tiny island 700 miles south of Tokyo, in September 1944 - and was the only one to evade capture by the Japanese.

    The horrific fate of the other eight "flyboys" was established in subsequent war crimes trials on the island of Guam, but details were sealed in top secret files in Washington to spare their families distress.

    Mr Bradley has established that they were tortured, beaten and then executed, either by beheading with swords or by multiple stab-wounds from bayonets and sharpened bamboo stakes. Four were then butchered by the island garrison's surgeons and their livers and meat from their thighs eaten by senior Japanese officers.

    The future president escaped a similar fate because he ditched his plane further from the island than the other crews, and managed to scramble on to a liferaft. American planes launched a hail of fire at Japanese boats which set out to capture him, driving them back, and he was eventually rescued by a US submarine.

    When the black hull of the USS Finback surfaced in front of him, he thought he was hallucinating, he told Mr Bradley in a television film made to coincide with the publication of Flyboys. He had been vomiting, bleeding from a head wound, and weeping with fear. He said only four words to his rescuers: "Happy to be aboard."

    Mr Bush's part in the raid - for which he won the Distinguished Flying Cross - has long been known to Americans. Not known until now was the grim fate of his downed comrades - none from his own plane - who swam ashore.

    Mr Bradley pieced together the horrific truth from secret transcripts of the war crimes trials, given to him by a former officer and lawyer who was an official witness at the time, and the testimony of surviving Japanese veterans.

    A radio operator, Marve Mershon, was marched to a freshly dug grave, blindfolded, and made to kneel for beheading by sword, testified a Japanese soldier, named as Iwakawa, at the war crimes trial. "When the flyer was struck, he did not cry out, but made a slight groan."

    The next day a Japanese officer, Major Sueo Matoba, decided to include American flesh in a sake-fuelled feast he laid on for officers including the commander-in-chief on the island, Gen Yoshio Tachibana. Both men were later tried and executed for war crimes.

    A Japanese medical orderly who helped the surgeon prepare the ingredients said: "Dr Teraki cut open the chest and took out the liver. I removed a piece of flesh from the flyer's thigh, weighing about six pounds and measuring four inches wide, about a foot long."

    Another crewman, Floyd Hall, met a similar fate. Adml Kinizo Mori, the senior naval officer on Chichi Jima, told the court that Major Matoba brought "a delicacy" to a party at his quarters - a specially prepared dish of Floyd Hall's liver.

    According to Adml Mori, Matoba told him: "I had it pierced with bamboo sticks and cooked with soy sauce and vegetables." They ate it in "very small pieces", believing it "good medicine for the stomach", the admiral recalled.

    A third victim of cannibalism, Jimmy Dye, had been put to work as a translator when, several weeks later, Capt Shizuo Yoshii - who was later tried and executed - called for his liver to be served at a party for fellow officers. Parts of a fourth airman, Warren Earl Vaughn, were also eaten and the remaining four were executed, one by being clubbed to death.
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    W was in the military in Vietnam...he was in the reserves...just like Kerry...his reserve troup never got called into serve...and Daddy Bush did serve.
    Kerry did two tours in nam. He volunteered for the second and didn't use his privilege to get out of serving his first tour of duty.

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    It's in Texas, once football starts nobody will care.
    Don't bet on it. Yes, someday this drama may move back to Washington DC were it belongs, but Cindy Sheehan isn't gonna just disappear. Like it or not, she has started a movement that until now has gone largely ignored by the corporate media and the apathetic, like Marcus Bryant, but those voices won't be ignored for much longer. Especially as the war in Iraq continues to spiral downward and our troops keep dying.

    By the way, I was at one of those Sheehan prayer vigils held in Texas and I just gotta tell ya, the energy there was fantastic. There must have been about 100 people there supporting Mrs. Sheehan, and that was only at one vigil, there were hundreds around the world.

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    I wonder what she thought while her son was still alive in a volunteer army, was she actively campaigning for him to get it... I'd like to ask her that question.

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    Kerry did two tours in nam. He volunteered for the second and didn't use his privilege to get out of serving his first tour of duty.
    we all know what kerry did in vietnam

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    We all know what Bush didn't do.

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    have you served in any capacity? what wars have you been in?

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    Kerry did two tours in nam. He volunteered for the second and didn't use his privilege to get out of serving his first tour of duty.
    Two tours While Kerry may be able to 'technically' claim 2 tours in Nam to puff up his resume, he should avoid doing so, since his "two tours", while sounding impressive, actually worked out to a total of 3 1/2 months. Lucky Kerry. He didn't have to serve the same kind of "two tours" that my Dad served. That translated to 2 years and 8 months in Vietnam. And by that I mean IN Vietnam.

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    Two tours While Kerry may be able to 'technically' claim 2 tours in Nam to puff up his resume, he should avoid doing so, since his "two tours", while sounding impressive, actually worked out to a total of 3 1/2 months. Lucky Kerry. He didn't have to serve the same kind of "two tours" that my Dad served. That translated to 2 years and 8 months in Vietnam. And by that I mean IN Vietnam.
    what does that have to do with anything? I mean, I applaud your dad for having had the will to get through an ordeal like that. God knows I would have had a mental breakdown lol. However, having served less time or more time is no way to measure a man.

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    what does that have to do with anything? I mean, I applaud your dad for having had the will to get through an ordeal like that. God knows I would have had a mental breakdown lol. However, having served less time or more time is no way to measure a man.
    I'm not even judging Kerry for only serving 3 1/2 months. But call it what it is. 3 1/2 months. Making claims of "I served two tours" is totally misleading, makes him look silly, and is also a little insulting to those who did serve two tours (ie..two +years)

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    I'm not even judging Kerry for only serving 3 1/2 months. But call it what it is. 3 1/2 months. Making claims of "I served two tours" is totally misleading, makes him look silly, and is also a little insulting to those who did serve two tours (ie..two +years)
    I suppose you're right

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    Don't bet on it. Yes, someday this drama may move back to Washington DC were it belongs, but Cindy Sheehan isn't gonna just disappear. Like it or not, she has started a movement that until now has gone largely ignored by the corporate media and the apathetic, like Marcus Bryant, but those voices won't be ignored for much longer. Especially as the war in Iraq continues to spiral downward and our troops keep dying.

    By the way, I was at one of those Sheehan prayer vigils held in Texas and I just gotta tell ya, the energy there was fantastic. There must have been about 100 people there supporting Mrs. Sheehan, and that was only at one vigil, there were hundreds around the world.

    The more she is there, the less I care. I was on her side in the beginning now she just pisses me off.

    As for going to the vigil, were there hot chicks there? I've been thinking of going to one of those, were they the cool hippie chicks, or the fat ones.

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    Fat hippies are the worse kind, stuffing down red meat while they try to save the whales. I prefer my hippies to be slinder, horny, leaf eating tree hugging type.

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    Fat hippies are the worse kind, stuffing down red meat while they try to save the whales. I prefer my hippies to be slinder, horny, leaf eating tree hugging type.

    Those fall under the cool hippie chicks, not expensive to feed and you don't have to do much to hit it.

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    That is correct Sir!!!

    How could i forget the rich ones rebelling against their conservative parents.

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    I'm not even judging Kerry for only serving 3 1/2 months. But call it what it is. 3 1/2 months. Making claims of "I served two tours" is totally misleading, makes him look silly, and is also a little insulting to those who did serve two tours (ie..two +years)
    It's pretty clear that you've fallen for the Republican spin regarding Kerry's time in Vietnam. The guy was injured 3 times and received a Silver Cross and a purple hearts while putting his life up for his country so I think very few of us have the credibility to judge his actions in combat, especially when they are based largely on the word of a loud-mouth meglo-manic who skipped service in Nam because of a ass wart.

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    So Bush41 is a bad man because he escaped the fate of some other American flyboys in the Pacific.

    How'd you map your trip to lunacy?

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    To be forwarded to Cindy Sheehan:

    The Soldier's CreedI am an American Soldier.
    I am a Warrior and a member of a team.
    I serve the people of the United States and live the Army Values.
    I will always place the mission first.
    I will never accept defeat.
    I will never quit.
    I will never leave a fallen comrade.
    I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills.
    I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself.
    I am an expert and I am a professional.
    I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy the enemies of the United States of America in close combat.
    I am a guardian of freedom and the American way of life.
    I am an American Soldier.

    http://www.army.mil/SoldiersCreed/flash_version/

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