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    Republicans Stunned As 67% Of Americans Oppose Obamacare Repeal In New Poll


    http://www.politicususa.com/2017/02/...iticus+USA+%29



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    Republicans Stunned As 67% Of Americans Oppose Obamacare Repeal In New Poll


    http://www.politicususa.com/2017/02/...iticus+USA+%29


    9 percentage points more Democrats than Republicans
    8 percentage points more strong Democrats than strong Republicans
    3 percentage points more not strong Democrats as not strong Republicans
    4 percentage points more Democratic leaning independents than Republican leaning independents

    Don't you think Trump voters are gonna hang up on these pollsters? After how ever many years of this law and 22?% average increase from last year - suddenly there's a e in approval - SURE.

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    Trump and Paul Ryan Head for a Clash Over the Budget, and Ideology


    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/27/u...-ideology.html

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    9 percentage points more Democrats than Republicans
    8 percentage points more strong Democrats than strong Republicans
    3 percentage points more not strong Democrats as not strong Republicans
    4 percentage points more Democratic leaning independents than Republican leaning independents

    Don't you think Trump voters are gonna hang up on these pollsters? After how ever many years of this law and 22?% average increase from last year - suddenly there's a e in approval - SURE.
    Because the ACA while deeply flawed is a lot better than $3000 in tax credits and HSAs when half the country lives paycheck to paycheck like ElNono mentioned above. The people are about to lose a huge benefit that kept them from having to choose between death and medical bankruptcy all so Trump can give tax cuts to the rich.

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    keep believing those polls

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    Disability is the new way to game the welfare rolls. Get em on disability and they don't count anymore.

    http://www.npr.org/2013/03/27/175502...-full-time-job
    Terrible for those that are actually disabled, and probably will need to go through a much stricter process (again) when the eventually hits the proverbial fan.

    On the other hand, it's understandable why States do that, and furthermore, IMO, this has to be seen in the context of the current labor market, where there's a lot of part-time jobs, which offer no health insurance, besides meager pay.

    It's certainly not right to game the system, especially since it really s with those that really need it, but there's undoubtedly other systemic problems contributing to this phenomenon.

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    keep believing those polls
    just alternative facts, tbh

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    9 percentage points more Democrats than Republicans
    8 percentage points more strong Democrats than strong Republicans
    3 percentage points more not strong Democrats as not strong Republicans
    4 percentage points more Democratic leaning independents than Republican leaning independents

    Don't you think Trump voters are gonna hang up on these pollsters? After how ever many years of this law and 22?% average increase from last year - suddenly there's a e in approval - SURE.
    nearly all people who poll against ACA aren't on ACA but on employer plans

    and insurance prices aren't increased by ACA but, as in decades past, by the fleecing, predatory BigInsurance

    current BigPharma project is hiring s to lobby for a $1000/day pill

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    nearly all people who poll against ACA aren't on ACA but on employer plans

    and insurance prices aren't increased by ACA but, as in decades past, by the fleecing, predatory BigInsurance

    current BigPharma project is hiring s to lobby for a $1000/day pill
    Sorry, boutons, the employer plans also have to have the 10 essential benefits to be ACA-compliant - so their premiums are affected by ACA. The differences between them and the exchanges is that the employees maintain continuous coverage (don't opt in and out of the plans as the exchanges) and the pool is stable (young as well as old stay in).

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    keep believing those polls
    More reliable than believing that crook in the white house.

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    More reliable than believing that crook in the white house.
    You mean like believing that we would get $2500 back, keep our doctors and our plans?

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    You mean like believing that we would get $2500 back, keep our doctors and our plans?
    So you believe Trump is covering everybody with better coverage for less money like he claimed?

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    So you believe Trump is covering everybody with better coverage for less money like he claimed?
    This is probably the plan that will come out of the House as it's the one touted by Paul Ryan:
    http://abetterway.speaker.gov/_asset...olicyPaper.pdf

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    This is probably the plan that will come out of the House as it's the one touted by Paul Ryan:
    http://abetterway.speaker.gov/_asset...olicyPaper.pdf
    just like ALL of Ryan's BULL , the arithmetic is pure fantasy ************ forever

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    This is probably the plan that will come out of the House as it's the one touted by Paul Ryan:
    http://abetterway.speaker.gov/_asset...olicyPaper.pdf
    Is that Ryan's voucher plan for Medicare that screws everyone over except for the older people who vote Republican that they're depending on for the 2018 primaries? That's not Trump's promised plan that was going to cover everyone in America with better coverage and cost people less than Obamacare. So your boy is telling yet another complete boldface lie? The only trustworthy thing I think I have ever heard Trump say is that he could go shoot someone and he still wouldn't lose votes from his base.

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    Ryan wants to cut Medicare, Trash doesnt, big battle looming, Trash will cave blame it Ryan.

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    Ryan wants to cut Medicare, Trash doesnt, big battle looming, Trash will cave blame it Ryan.
    SS, Medicare and interest are 60% of the budget now headed to 80%.

    You can't do anything meaningful with the budget without addressing that.

    There isn't enough "discretionary spending" to cut. Not enough 'waste". Nobody is gonna touch the "third rail" of SS and medicare until it's really a crisis.

    Trump can't get the selective budget increases he wants without blowing up the debt. It's the only way.

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    SS, Medicare and interest are 60% of the budget now headed to 80%.

    You can't do anything meaningful with the budget without addressing that.

    There isn't enough "discretionary spending" to cut. Not enough 'waste". Nobody is gonna touch the "third rail" of SS and medicare until it's really a crisis.

    Trump can't get the selective budget increases he wants without blowing up the debt. It's the only way.
    raising retirement age for SS would be a good start. also we dont need to add 53 billion to defense spending when we spend more than the next 7 countries combined as it is. we also dont need a 25 billion dollar wall that's going to be a taxpayer burden (and any tariff or "border tax" will essentially be a federal sales tax on the consumer/taxpayer)

    can also cut down on medical spending if we put restraints on big pharma... something nobody's been willing to touch

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    raising retirement age for SS would be a good start.
    You can't do that. The stampede to the SS counter up to the cutoff date would be catastrophic.

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    I would like them to tie SS and Medicare to life expectancy. Even the GOP's suggestion of raising it 2 years is not enough. Would have to raise age for all the retirement-related stuff too - 401k RMD, etc.

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    You can't do that. The stampede to the SS counter up to the cutoff date would be catastrophic.
    Price worth paying. And if a bunch die in the stampede that's even less a taxpayer burden

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    Repugs are holding ACA-repeal/replace meeting in the hyper-secret basement room, no pics, no phones, no copies.

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    Members Of Congress Literally Chasing Each Other Around Capitol Hill Trying To Find Text Of Obamacare Repeal Bill

    Rep. Chris Collins told The Hill that the House Energy and Commerce Committee would be holding a markup session on the bill on Wednesday, March 8.

    A markup session is when a committee publicly reviews the contents of a bill and suggests changes — amendments — that they then vote to adopt or reject. It takes the draft of a bill and marks it up with edits, adding, tweaking, and removing content to move toward a final version.


    Usually, however, a bill is publicly introduced, and the text known and available, well before a markup session happens. That, though, is not the case here. Nobody’s actually sure who’s introducing the bill, what it says, what the text is, or, in fact, if it really exists.


    It’s not just the media and the public that are scrambling here, either; both members of the House and Senate — from both parties — are trying to find out.

    not only is the bill apparently being kept secret — Representatives and media who are looking for it do not know where it is being kept secret. They literally cannot find it. There is an actual, non-figurative, cartoon-style chase slowly unfolding in the Capitol.

    Kliff added that, “I covered the 2009-2010 health debate, and this hunt for a bill in a mysterious room is one of the most bizarre things I’ve ever witnessed.”

    BuzzFeed’s Paul McLeod, also on the chase, reports that, “the bill has been moved to a new secret location after the old secret location got too much heat. The hunt continues.”


    https://consumerist.com/2017/03/02/m...e-repeal-bill/


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    5 Points On The Tax Credit Debate Roiling The GOP’s Obamacare Repeal Effort

    1. The debate reflects a fundamental disagreement over the goal of the GOP's Obamacare replacement.


    2. Leadership wants a refundable tax credit, in part, because whatever they do will be compared to Obamaca

    3. Conservatives bash refundable tax credits for creating a new 'en lement' program.

    4. Conservatives prefer a deduction system

    5. If they don’t come to a deal, leadership and conservatives will be playing a game of chicken


    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/fivepoi...+%28TPMNews%29

    Notice that that their diverse BLIND IDEOLOGIES (destroy govt, it's all bad, and privatize everything for-profit) place actual health care For The People way down their list of priorities.



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    House Republican ACA Repeal Plan Replaces Taxes on Rich and Corporations with Taxes on Middle-Class Workers

    Tax exemption for employer-provided health care benefits would be capped and tax credits for working families to buy coverage would be much less generous

    Rep. Phil Roe (R-TN) said the secret Affordable Care Act (ACA) repeal plan from House Republican leaders would

    impose $200 billion in new taxes on middle-class workers by taxing their health benefits,

    which are currently excluded from taxation:


    “House Republicans want to tax workers’ health care benefits rather than continue to require the wealthiest Americans and big healthcare corporations to help finance health care for 20 million people now getting covered under the ACA. If true, the GOP healthcare repeal plan means the rich will get richer, millions will lose their healthcare, and workers will pick up the tab.


    “When Republicans talk about ‘repeal and replace,’ now we know they mean replace taxes on billionaires and big corporations with taxes on working families.


    “The Republicans’ reckless assault on the ACA already risks the health coverage of millions of Americans while handing more than $525 billion in tax cuts over 10 years to the nation’s wealthiest households, health insurance corporations and drug firms, according to Congressional Budget Office data analyzed by Americans for Tax Fairness.

    “ATF’s analysis shows that

    wealthy taxpayers would get a tax cut of at least $346 billion and insurance, prescription drug and medical device corporations would get a total tax cut of at least $180 billion over 10 years
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    The richest 400 families would each get about a $7 million tax break a year, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.


    “Now we can add a new $200 billion tax paid by workers on their employer-provided health insurance to the list of threats posed by the GOP’s healthcare repeal efforts.


    “Moreover, a new Kaiser Family Foundation analysis estimates that

    consumers will get 36% less in insurance premium tax credits in 2020, on average,

    under the GOP’s ACA repeal plan. These credits are critical to help moderate-income families pay for health insurance.

    Kaiser found that under the GOP plan ‘the average tax credit for current ACA marketplace enrollees would rise from an estimated $2,957 in 2020 to $3,729 in 2027.

    By comparison, the average tax credit under the ACA would be $4,615 in 2020, increasing to $6,648 in 2027.’


    “These much less generous tax credits to purchase health insurance are the equivalent of

    a major tax increase on working families, and they are designed to partially replace the taxes being paid by the wealthy and big corporations under the existing ACA.


    The Republican plan would tax, for the first time ever, worker health benefits provided by their employers.

    Even workers who pay 100% of the cost of their own coverage under an employer-provided plan would be taxed.

    It’s outrageous that Republicans plan to tax workers’ health benefits to give huge tax breaks to those at the top and to prescription drug and insurance corporations.

    “The ACA has expanded Medicaid and CHIP coverage to 13 million, made health insurance affordable for 9 million and strengthened Medicare in large part by asking the wealthy and healthcare corporations to pay a fairer share of taxes. Reliance on these funding sources has decreased economic inequality even as it improves the nation’s health.

    “Taxing working families’ health care instead of asking the richest Americans and most profitable corporations to pay their fair share reverses the progress made by the ACA in narrowing the nation’s income and wealth gaps.”

    ATF’s estimate of $525 billion in tax cuts for the wealthy and healthcare corporations from ACA repeal is a very conservative estimate

    based on 2015 data from the Congressional Budget Office.

    http://www.commondreams.org/newswire...orations-taxes

    Trash/Repug voters choose YET AGAIN to screw themselves OVER AND OVER AND OVER




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