Kyle Anderson is a legit NBA player.

[SAGirl]

I know you know hoops, Chinook. And sometimes we just see things differently. But I will say that I really expected Kyle to hit his stride this year, and play with the confidence and awareness of a guy who has been through two playoff runs with a very good team. I didn't expect him to get significant playoff minutes last season, but I thought when he came back this year he would be up to earning 25 minutes a game. I had higher hopes for him than this.

I do think that the idea we can't really assess him because of small sample size is poop. Besides that, if he had improved as much as I hoped, he would be getting more minutes, and we probably wouldn't be having the same discussion.

You think he's a good defender. I think he's an adequate defender. But tell me the truth - do you really see him on a significant upward trajectory? Do you really see any reason for him to be moved up to the 25 MPG I was hoping for, unless someone else gets injured?

One thing is for certain. If he does get a significant bump in minutes, someone else is going to have to step up their offensive game. Because Kyle's offensive production rate (Per36 numbers) are the lowest on the team. Putting Kyle on the floor with Danny is an offensive nightmare. I don't think this team can play defense good enough to make up for that. That's not hating, that's not being wishy-washy, that's just looking at what I see, and what the numbers say.

heh!
they won a game in which Danny shot 16% in 10 or 12 attempts in Toronto and Kyle played over 30 minutes as a SF. he draws fouls too, underrated aspect bc he has very few opportunities to make plays with the ball.
I did expect him to be better so I undertand the disappointment. Pop also talked about him getting more minutes so I don't think Pop expected him to be this hesitant either.

I won't comment to your Ayers comparison... they are very different players. Ayers was undersized to be a center, which is the only spot he could play, bc of his lack of length he wasn't as good a rim protector, and that wasn't ever going to change. On top of that he had very bad hands. Heh! even with him being undersized if he didn't have such bad hands maybe he'd still be around.

[Blake]

You just keep laughing and looking around wondering why no one else is laughing, that's fine by me.

No I don't.

But I'm glad you're not admitting you were wrong there.

[GSH]

heh!
they won a game in which Danny shot 16% in 10 or 12 attempts in Toronto and Kyle played over 30 minutes as a SF. he draws fouls too, underrated aspect bc he has very few opportunities to make plays with the ball.
I did expect him to be better so I undertand the disappointment. Pop also talked about him getting more minutes so I don't think Pop expected him to be this hesitant either.

I won't comment to your Ayers comparison... they are very different players. Ayers was undersized to be a center, which is the only spot he could play, bc of his lack of length he wasn't as good a rim protector, and that wasn't ever going to change. On top of that he had very bad hands. Heh! even with him being undersized if he didn't have such bad hands maybe he'd still be around.

LOL... you went and dug up an exception that shows the Spurs can overcome Danny and KA on the floor together, did you? I said that the Spurs can't play good enough defense to overcome those two being on the floor at the same time - and they didn't. They gave up 106 points to the Raptors. It just happened that the rest of the Spurs were shooting hot enough to make up for Kyle and Danny going a combined 4-18. Didja happen to notice that Murray/Lee/Mills all shot well over .500? And Bertans/Dedmon both shot .667? And Forbes shot .750? And LMA got to the FT line 11 times, and the Spurs went to the line 33 times all told?

As for the other? I honestly wish you hadn't brought it up. FTA/36 has always been one of my pet stats. I left it off a while ago, because I didn't want to keep piling on.

FTA/36
Ayers - 2.1
KA - 1.9

Anderson doesn't get to the line for . In fact, Kyle and Danny are the two worst on the team for drawing fouls (except for Forbes, who I don't even count). For a guy who was going to be a Point-Forward, and who spends quite a lot of time with the ball in his hands, KA absolutely sucks at getting to the line. What's worse is that Kyle's FTA/36 is down from last year, when he wen to the line 2.4 times per 36 minutes.

Of course Anderson and Ayers are different players. I mean, thanks for telling me, but I think even Blake understands that. My point was that their impact on the offensive end is almost identical, except that Kyle's is slightly less this season than Ayers' was, and less than his own impact last season.

I don't want to pile on the guy but, dammit, your attempts to turn night into day is like a dog whistle. He was aaallmost there last season, but he's regressed by any objective standard. And the Spurs really need him to step it up.

BTW - that win against Toronto? The Spurs were up by 2, with 1:03 left. Kyle and Danny proceeded to turn the ball over once, and miss two 3-pointers, all in the span of 28 seconds. The Spurs survived having those two on the floor together - nothing more than that.

[SAGirl]

LOL... you went and dug up an exception that shows the Spurs can overcome Danny and KA on the floor together, did you? I said that the Spurs can't play good enough defense to overcome those two being on the floor at the same time - and they didn't. They gave up 106 points to the Raptors. It just happened that the rest of the Spurs were shooting hot enough to make up for Kyle and Danny going a combined 4-18. Didja happen to notice that Murray/Lee/Mills all shot well over .500? And Bertans/Dedmon both shot .667? And Forbes shot .750? And LMA got to the FT line 11 times, and the Spurs went to the line 33 times all told?

As for the other? I honestly wish you hadn't brought it up. FTA/36 has always been one of my pet stats. I left it off a while ago, because I didn't want to keep piling on.

FTA/36
Ayers - 2.1
KA - 1.9

Anderson doesn't get to the line for . In fact, Kyle and Danny are the two worst on the team for drawing fouls (except for Forbes, who I don't even count). For a guy who was going to be a Point-Forward, and who spends quite a lot of time with the ball in his hands, KA absolutely sucks at getting to the line. What's worse is that Kyle's FTA/36 is down from last year, when he wen to the line 2.4 times per 36 minutes.

Of course Anderson and Ayers are different players. I mean, thanks for telling me, but I think even Blake understands that. My point was that their impact on the offensive end is almost identical, except that Kyle's is slightly less this season than Ayers' was, and less than his own impact last season.

I don't want to pile on the guy but, dammit, your attempts to turn night into day is like a dog whistle. He was aaallmost there last season, but he's regressed by any objective standard. And the Spurs really need him to step it up.

BTW - that win against Toronto? The Spurs were up by 2, with 1:03 left. Kyle and Danny proceeded to turn the ball over once, and miss two 3-pointers, all in the span of 28 seconds. The Spurs survived having those two on the floor together - nothing more than that.

Kyle's defense was hardly to blame for the Raptors... they had issues with all their rookies fouling 3 pt shooters... did you forget Forbes fouling a 3 pt shooter, Patty fouling a 3 pt shooter, Murray fouling Lowry. Lowry got to the line I think at least 10 times and it was all on the guards.


The conversation is interesting but even I tire of talking about the guy TBH and I had put myself on a time out b4 this thread. He's still interesting for me to watch and talk about but not to this obsessive degree anymore.

I still root for the guy but will let go of the Ayers comparison tbh. Discussing it doesn't interest me even a little bit. Just too different players all around and the reason Ayers is not in the league has nothing to do with him not scoring.

[Snaq O'Meal]

I still root for the guy but will let go of the Ayers comparison tbh. Discussing it doesn't interest me even a little bit. Just too different players all around and the reason Ayers is not in the league has nothing to do with him not scoring.

Very different indeed. One's a forward, the other a ball dominant point guard. And it's not easy for those ball-dominant types to reinvent themselves for playing off the ball successfully. In fact, some never did. But it's good to see Kyle putting in the effort needed for the transition.

[TheGreatYacht]

Fathead, ball dominant point guard?

He averages 2 assists Per36 and his go to move is a slomo shake at the top of the key-pass out to a contested guy

[ElNono]

Nothing wrong with being ambivalent about him... that's what his game is... it shows up in a game or two, he looks like he made strides, then goes back to square one...

[Snaq O'Meal]

Fathead, ball dominant point guard?

He was all along, in college and in the D-League. Just not with the big boys.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Some of us have been praising Anderson since Day One. Good to see the rest of Spurstalk has finally caught up. Bertans and Murray have also been on my radar since Day One.
Not a big fan or Forbes or Simmons although I thought Simmons was going to break out this year. I think he's reached his peak and can be a serviceable third string guy.

[ElNono]

He was actually garbage all game all the way to the 4th pretty much, where he made a few key baskets... I'm still not sure what his role is or what Pop's expectations are for him.

Sometimes I still think he's too tentative out there. He should watch Murray some, especially on the decisiveness aspect.

[Spurtacular]

Kyle Anderson in his defensive hunch reminds me of Gollum, tbh.

[Rocalcio]

He was actually garbage all game all the way to the 4th pretty much, where he made a few key baskets... I'm still not sure what his role is or what Pop's expectations are for him.

Sometimes I still think he's too tentative out there. He should watch Murray some, especially on the decisiveness aspect.

Without him it's a lost game, period.

[Poolboy5623]

What’s going to happen when Kawhi comes back?? Will Pop give the backup minutes to Gay, or Kyle “the legit nba player” Anderson?

[TheGreatYacht]

3 assists in 90 minutes this season. Hopefully vanilla posters will stop pretending he's some sort of great playmaker. He's terrible, in fact. Had another one of those failed slomo crossovers turned into a bailout pass to the top of the key that resulted in a TO and Powell dunk.

That 9 PER lol

[DaBears]

Good things happen for players when they have confidence and playing time.. Proof is in the Kyle....