Thunder: Westbrook Haters

[Brazil]

I mean... wtf tbh... never seen anything like that

[Clipper Nation]

Fun fact: Frauden is only averaging two fewer uncontested rebounds per game than Westbrook is. I'm curious to know why nobody's getting on him for "stat-padding" .

Frauden is padding his stats according to the standards Westbrook is held to. He has D'Antoni padding his stats for him. He has the refs padding his stats for him. He has the better supporting cast. And even with all that help, he can't do what Russ is doing.

If Frauden was gifted MVP, he'd join Rose, Kobe and Nash on the list of most fraudulent MVPs ever. Thankfully, it's going to an actually deserving player instead.

[lebomb]

Westchimp is making them worst than they are... Oladipo is 24 y/o shoots better from everywhere than wb but his usage is lowest of his young career... how do you want him to progress with this ball hog ?

Really? He is very similar to DBust......look at his stats. He has one good game, then 10 horrible shooting efforts. Against Denver he was 3-15 from the field and 0-6 from 3pt land.
The two games prior he was 1-8 from 3pt land combined. The magic didnt see enough in him to invest in his youth and build around him. They traded his ass.

[baseline bum]

Frauden is padding his stats according to the standards Westbrook is held to. He has D'Antoni padding his stats for him. He has the refs padding his stats for him. He has the better supporting cast. And even with all that help, he can't do what Russ is doing.

Harden is actually winning games for his team despite a weaker supporting cast than what Westbrook has.

[baseline bum]

I mean... wtf tbh... never seen anything like that

I have, out of Rondo.

[Clipper Nation]

Harden is actually winning games for his team despite a weaker supporting cast than what Westbrook has.

The Rockets barely miss a beat when Frauden goes to the bench. Per 100 possessions, they're +6.7 with Frauden and +4.8 without him. The refs, the D'Antoni system and the Rockets' depth are winning those games, Frauden's just taking all the credit.

In no way, shape or form is Frauden's supporting cast worse than Westbrook's. The Thunder would be worse than the Nets without Russ.

[Brazil]

I have, out of Rondo.

not by a MVP candidate tho

but yes rondo was a stat in his time passing shots after shots to stat pad assists

[Brazil]

Really? He is very similar to DBust......look at his stats. He has one good game, then 10 horrible shooting efforts. Against Denver he was 3-15 from the field and 0-6 from 3pt land.
The two games prior he was 1-8 from 3pt land combined. The magic didnt see enough in him to invest in his youth and build around him. They traded his ass.

he still shoots better than westbrook

like westbrook is not familiar of crap shooting games but there not 1/8 but 6/25

[redzero]

because nobody was selfish enough to put his personal numbers above the well being of his team/teammembers. plus he can do whatever he wants in okc, the whole system is designed to get him tripdubs. pathetic.

There have been All Star caliber players who ball-hog on ty teams for decades, and yet nobody has put up numbers like Westbrook. Ball-hogging alone is not a good enough answer for why Westbrook averages a triple double and has had more triple doubles in one season than anybody ever.

[lebomb]

There have been All Star caliber players who ball-hog on ty teams for decades, and yet nobody has put up numbers like Westbrook. Ball-hogging alone is not a good enough answer for why Westbrook averages a triple double and has had more triple doubles in one season than anybody ever.

Some of us get it. A triple double is hard to get. Ask Lebron James.......see his congratulatory video to WB.

[lefty]

He has a point

https://twitter.com/TheHerd/status/849684636091375617

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[313]

Cant compare Drake to Jay because Drake doesnt have a classic album while Jay arguably has at least 3 personally i think Reasonable doubt is a bit overrated but the blueprint, black album and volume 2 are essential hip hop albums. Drake has lots of hits but even his first true LP is not a classic.
I agree that Kendrick is more like NAS and he has arguably 3 clasdics to drakes none.
Drake has more sales more number 1 singles but lyrically and spitually he is not on Kendrick's level. Even with a team of ghost writers and hit beat makers.

I was comparing their place in the game. Drake is the biggest rapper commercially, Drake been holding the radio down for 7-8 straight summers.

Jay is obviously the better rapper, but there are more parallels there with the biting flows(Drake jacking Big Sean flow, although Sean didn't make that flow../Jay jacking Yougn Chris flow..) and taking lyrics accusations(Drake's Quentin Miller situation/Jay stole a lot of lines, mostly Big's). For both artist, if you don't like them, youcan use this to discredit them, but for every flow they took they got ten hot ones they coined first. For every bar they took, they got 100 fuego ass bars they wrote themselves. The Drake ghostwriting accusations have always been silly to me because everyone knows he came in the game ghostwriting for a people(Wayne..). Also, lol @ hit beat makers. Give 100 s a Drake beat and they won't make a hit, give Kendrick 40's production for an album and he won't make those hits. Give Drake his credit, he got a good ear for beats and also how to take a seemingly regular beat and hoppign on it and turning it into a hit.

When it comes to albums, for me i think it goes

1. Reasonable Doubt
2. The Blueprint
3. The Black Album
4. Vol. 3
5. American Gangster

Vol 3 criminally slept on.

Drake has at least two classics with Take Care and NWTS, and no real bad albums from TML to Views(although Views was the first album where it was debatable..). Take Care to What A Time was a crazy run of quality ass rap songs and radio hits. If you hate him or an old head who don't really with new then you won't see it that way though..

Kendrick definitely one of the best lyricist in the game, the best on the mainstream level for sure. Might pass up Nas for me if he drops another classic with "DAMN". The Rihanna and U2 feature scare me though.

[FkLA]

Fun fact: Frauden is only averaging two fewer uncontested rebounds per game than Westbrook is. I'm curious to know why nobody's getting on him for "stat-padding" .

Frauden is padding his stats according to the standards Westbrook is held to. He has D'Antoni padding his stats for him. He has the refs padding his stats for him. He has the better supporting cast. And even with all that help, he can't do what Russ is doing.

If Frauden was gifted MVP, he'd join Rose, Kobe and Nash on the list of most fraudulent MVPs ever. Thankfully, it's going to an actually deserving player instead.

Brah you act like 2 uncontested rebounds per game is an insignificant amount. Harden is at 8.1 rpg, so he would be averaging a triple double as well if his teammates were getting out of his way so he could grab a board two more times per game.

[313]

Drake has been bodied by Common, Joe Budden, Kendrick, etc. without any response. And Views was trash. Nobody takes Drake seriously anymore. He still sells lots of records, but so do Nickelback and Justin Bieber.

Drake doesn't even belong in the same language as Jay, let alone the same sentence. Jay is one of the best to ever do it. Drake is a hypebeast who relies on ghostwriters, biting any sound/flow that is popular at the moment, and stealing songs from the artists he signs for his own albums.

The Common beef was weak, and Common only started it for album sales and because Drake was ing his ex Serena Williams. Common's only material in the beef was that "Drake is soft", but that's ironic coming from the original ass rnb rapper.

Joe is a washed rapper, who's just a radio/podcast/reality tv personality these days. Go listen to 4pm in Calabassas though, it was a diss towards diddy but he also disses Budden. "I got a lot to lose 'cause in every situation I'm the bigger artist Always gotta play it smarter"

Drake and Kenny beef has just been a bunch of subliminals since crica 2013 when did Kendrick body him?

[Clipper Nation]

Brah you act like 2 uncontested rebounds per game is an insignificant amount. Harden is at 8.1 rpg, so he would be averaging a triple double as well if his teammates were getting out of his way so he could grab a board two more times per game.

With the way Westbrook's haters make it sound, you'd think he was the only player in NBA history to get any uncontested rebounds.

If we're going to play the hypothetical game, if Westbrook got the bull calls that Frauden does on offense, he'd be averaging even more points per game than he already does. If Westbrook had Frauden's supporting cast, there wouldn't be a "wins vs. stats" debate because Westbrook would have the advantage in both.

[spurraider21]

Brah you act like 2 uncontested rebounds per game is an insignificant amount. Harden is at 8.1 rpg, so he would be averaging a triple double as well if his teammates were getting out of his way so he could grab a board two more times per game.

Yeah he's destroying his own argument.

If Harden stat padded rebounds as much as Westbrook, he'd be averaging a triple double too, which is the entire basis for Westbrooks candidacy than CN is ing over

Once you take away the artificial hype over triple doubles, Harden is leading a worse team to more success than Westbrook

[Clipper Nation]

The Common beef was weak, and Common only started it for album sales and because Drake was ing his ex Serena Williams. Common only mterial in the beef was that "Drake is soft" but that's ironic coming from the original ass rnb rapper.

Joe is a washed rapper who's just a radio/podcast/reality tv personality these days. Go listen to 4pm in Calabassas though, it was diddy diss but he also diss Budden "I got a lot to lose 'cause in every situation I'm the bigger artist Always gotta play it smarter"

Drake and Kenny beef has just been a bunch of subliminals since crica 2013 when did Kendrick body him?

Sounds like a lot of excuses for Drake taking subliminals at all these guys and then running and hiding when they respond, tbh. I guess Quentin Miller couldn't write any good replies for him?

[baseline bum]

If we're going to play the hypothetical game, if Westbrook got the bull calls that Frauden does on offense

He does and has for years.

[Clipper Nation]

Westbrook's haters still haven't explained how Nenê, Eric Gordon, Trevor Ariza and Ryan Anderson are worse than Steven Adams and garbage. You guys just keep repeating that Frauden has the worse team without any facts to back it up. Just accept the fact that Westbrook is the better player, the more valuable player and the more deserving player. You'd have a better case arguing for Kawhi instead of Frauden.

[313]

He does and has for years.

How quickly people forget lol

[313]

Westbrook is a statpadder, period.

He averages the same amount of ORB/per game as he always has, but averages a whole 9 DRB/per game this year mostly due to hunting rebounds and his teammates moving out of the way for him. Only Gobert and Whiteside have contested less 3s than WB...In the entire league, lol

let that sink in

[Killakobe81]

Harden is actually winning games for his team despite a weaker supporting cast than what Westbrook has.

Huh? Debatable. Harden has the more proven coach and system ...
And I would rather Have his cast than OKC's ...

[Killakobe81]

Westbrook's haters still haven't explained how Nenê, Eric Gordon, Trevor Ariza and Ryan Anderson are worse than Steven Adams and garbage. You guys just keep repeating that Frauden has the worse team without any facts to back it up. Just accept the fact that Westbrook is the better player, the more valuable player and the more deserving player. You'd have a better case arguing for Kawhi instead of Frauden.

though Harden is also worthy ... I agree with CN. only thing I don't like about Harden is his flailing and flops ...
he still a problem but Russ is like a poor man's LeBron without the vision or height ... everyone chasing unicorns I want the athletic freaks like LeBron and Russ especially when they can ball

[lebomb]

No .....I would take Houstons other players over OKCs all day.

[lebomb]

though Harden is also worthy ... I agree with CN. only thing I don't like about Harden is his flailing and flops ...
he still a problem but Russ is like a poor man's LeBron without the vision or height ... everyone chasing unicorns I want the athletic freaks like LeBron and Russ especially when they can ball

Agreed!!! Nothing against Harden, but Westbrook is on a whole nother level of explosiveness.