2017 Utah Summer League Game 2: Spurs vs Celtics - 6 p.m. CST - 2 a.m. Riga

[TheGreatYacht]

Murray was 0 for 10. White looked much better in transition. Murray hasn't shown that he can consistently make an outside jumper.

Blossomgame was good on D tonight. Held Tatum down pretty much the 2nd half and shut down Brown in the first half. Hit a couple of open threes. If he does that throughout summer league and training camp, he'll at least earn a 2 way contract.

I still believe in Murray, but holy crap he's making all of us look bad. White is okay, expected a bit more out of a 23yr old playing a bunch of kids. Blossomgame made the shots he was supposed to make but he doesn't have much else. Would like to see Early take his minutes tbh

[TimDunkem]

I guess that Utah will be interested in Aldridge.

Let's get Crowder and Boris Diaw in this trade!

No...Utah is interested in whatever Boston will give them. No one wants that fat LMA.

[tonight...you]

What if he knows Apa personally and said the true as Apa being a chick?

I totally doubt, if Apa was a chick, she would be hot.
100%

[spursistan]

When will Pop/Chip and the rest of the staff start coaching young guys again? Why is Murray offensive repertoire still only consist of barfing up one off-balance floater after the other?

Pretty disappointing so far..

[FkLA]

Murray definitely still a disappointment. Just doesn't have the skills yet and is still a project.

At least White is ready to play. Forbes looks very ready. How many other guards will the Spurs keep in their roster?

Blossomgame was able to hit some of his open 3's. Which is a good sign.

Good game from Forbes but lol at him looking "very ready". Still too short, too slow, and too robotic with his dribble. You must've missed the Jazz game.

[SAGirl]

Knowing Pop, I cannot see him going with a rookie. So, no White. But unless Dijon picks it up, I really don't see Pop going with him. So, although Pop might want to keep Patty in his microwave role, I don't see an alternative acceptable to Pop other than Mills to start.

This Dijon right now that we are seeing isn't ready, but it's really the fact he's too inefficient with what he's doing. He has improved. I mean last summer and some summer league games he was having 5 or more TO... heck in a short amount of garbage time in the regular season he was capable of TO 3 or 4 times. But he's playing with tington. So many passes he made that tington just couldn't score on, so I think at one point heroball Dijon kind of showed up and it wasn't a good sighting. Still has a lot to work on. With Kawhi it would be very different but he has to do something about his offensive game.

Still like I said, I think Patty starts, Kawhi dominates the ball anyways, and Patty and Kawhi have closed games and worked well in the past, but I also expect some experiment mode Pop.

I won't prognosticate with White. Guys need to adjust to the NBA, that is no picnic. No to him starting.

[Chinook]

Wouldn't put too much stock into SL performances when projecting Murray as a starter. Dude plays better as a lower option ans defenders better next to good defensive players. Some guys play up to their level of compe ion

[SAGirl]

Wouldn't put too much stock into SL performances when projecting Murray as a starter. Dude plays better as a lower option ans defenders better next to good defensive players. Some guys play up to their level of compe ion

good point.
as I said... he forced the issue after what seemed like many passes to whittington and others that ended up nowhere.

If his offensive game is not ready, and by that I mean, he still needs to put a lot of work on his finishes (IMO he needs to weight more to finish through contact or something), improving his passing game is hte most immediate thing he can do, he still blows by a lot of guys and collapses defenses, but he cannot force right now.

[DPG21920]

Wouldn't put too much stock into SL performances when projecting Murray as a starter. Dude plays better as a lower option ans defenders better next to good defensive players. Some guys play up to their level of compe ion

Agreed. Saw similar things with Hill too in SL. As I said before, the only thing I think we have learned is that Murray is not some top flight talent. He has upside to be sure, but he's not so talented that he will just excel no matter the environment or talent around him.

But he's looked solid enough in actual nba games to have hope.

[ceperez]

Good game from Forbes but lol at him looking "very ready". Still too short, too slow, and too robotic with his dribble. You must've missed the Jazz game.

6-8 from downtown is a pretty good stat line considering everyone knows that he's going to take that shot.

[ceperez]

good point.
as I said... he forced the issue after what seemed like many passes to whittington and others that ended up nowhere.

If his offensive game is not ready, and by that I mean, he still needs to put a lot of work on his finishes (IMO he needs to weight more to finish through contact or something), improving his passing game is hte most immediate thing he can do, he still blows by a lot of guys and collapses defenses, but he cannot force right now.

Murray seems like a project. Corry Joseph spent a lot of time in D-league and he wasn't as reckless as Murray.

The one plus of Murray is that on a one-on-one situation he can beat his man.

[SPURt]

Goodness Jeffrerson is a black hole. Murray has been a disappointment so far. I'm a little upset Forbes went off. I kind of wish it was someone else. I can't believe Early hasn't played.

[tonight...you]

Agreed. Saw similar things with Hill too in SL. As I said before, the only thing I think we have learned is that Murray is not some top flight talent. He has upside to be sure, but he's not so talented that he will just excel no matter the environment or talent around him.

But he's looked solid enough in actual nba games to have hope.

The issue with Murray's talent evaluation is that he is such a wildcard.
He has decision problems. He has a really loose handle that hasn't improved. He doesn't have THE BEST instincts at all and yet he flashes some very palatable traits that any coach looks for and he has a good at ude, which coaches (especially Pop) looks at.

And then you add a player like White, who's very controlled. Young, but older and plays older. Not as high a ceiling, but looks like he can run a team in limited minutes and situations with the ability to expand.

Lordy... I'm glad I just root for this team and not running it.

[littlecoyotecoin]

I still can't get over White's forehead

I think you're being too ambitious. You should probably just try to go under or around it.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Murray seems like a project. Corry Joseph spent a lot of time in D-league and he wasn't as reckless as Murray.

The one plus of Murray is that on a one-on-one situation he can beat his man.

Yes, he can get past his man. But can he score?

Parker, for all his faults, had no such problem despite his stature and lack of strength. His finishing was elite even as a rookie, and he could shoot better than Manu early in their NBA careers. Perhaps efficient finishing is an ability that's not so easily taught?

[ceperez]

Yes, he can get past his man. But can he score?

Parker, for all his faults, had no such problem despite his stature and lack of strength. His finishing was elite even as a rookie, and he could shoot better than Manu early in their NBA careers. Perhaps efficient finishing is an ability that's not so easily taught?

Right, hasn't shown that he can score after he beats his man. Truth is, PATFO see a lot more of him in practice, so maybe they see potential or maybe not.

I am more a fan of White's game than Murray. He's got playground basketball skill but does it translate to championship ball?

Even worse, ball movement stops unless he passes the ball. Maybe that's what he's used for, break down the defense so that shooter can score.

[Snaq O'Meal]

I think you're being too ambitious. You should probably just try to go under or around it.

White can set some good screens just with his forehead.

[steeledl]

Damn, wtf happened w/ Mr Untouchable Murray? That needs to ash his girls mom if he can fly her out for the weekend and get his mojo back.

[ceperez]

For a guy who just shot 6-8 from 3 point line, it amazing how little fans care about Forbes achievement.

[spursistan]

My Manu4tres needs to put the brakes on his Dejounte hype train. He is nowhere near Kawhi as a prospect and shouldn't be unfairly measured against such a lofty standard of development.. (Granted, Leonard walked into a better Spurs team in '11-'12)..

[tonight...you]

I repeat:

The issue with Murray's talent evaluation is that he is such a wildcard.
He has decision problems. He has a really loose handle that hasn't improved. He doesn't have THE BEST instincts at all and yet he flashes some very palatable traits that any coach looks for and he has a good at ude, which coaches (especially Pop) looks at.

And then you add a player like White, who's very controlled. Young, but older and plays older. Not as high a ceiling, but looks like he can run a team in limited minutes and situations with the ability to expand.

Lordy... I'm glad I just root for this team and not running it.

[steeledl]

Yes, he can get past his man. But can he score?

Parker, for all his faults, had no such problem despite his stature and lack of strength. His finishing was elite even as a rookie, and he could shoot better than Manu early in their NBA careers. Perhaps efficient finishing is an ability that's not so easily taught?

Finishing is about being in control at a fast pace and touch. You can improve on it but it's also one of those things that you either have or don't. Tony was a natural. Danny Green will never have it no matter how much he practices and is taught. Murray can certainly improve in this area but he will never be a great finisher.

[Play Boban]

Murray might be the most overrated player in Spurs history.

[steeledl]

For a guy who just shot 6-8 from 3 point line, it amazing how little fans care about Forbes achievement.

Doesn't really feel like he has great upside at the NBA level. Fans want to see players who have well rounded NBA level athleticism succeed in summer league. It is why I never got excited for Kyle Anderson in SL while Simmons was a joy.

[SilverSpur]

For a guy who just shot 6-8 from 3 point line, it amazing how little fans care about Forbes achievement.

I like Forbes. 6 for 8 and young. Wil be a solid back up for us, until Parker and Manu leave then his time will come.
Bertan is looking nice , White and Blossmgame coming along.
All the bigs look bad to me so far.