2017 Vegas Summer League Game 1: Spurs vs Heat - 7:00 PM CT - 3:00 AM Riga

[tholdren]

I agree with you on all the above.

But.... and i hate murray type players.... when spurs need a bucket murray is still the better option at this point if it comes down to him and white.

[TimDunkem]

Hmm...A long PG that can attack, actually play the point, and has the versatility to play the other guard position?...Not sure who they could've drafted last year other than Murray who could've done all those things...Oh wait..

Edit: Can't seem to embed this , but just take a look: https://youtu.be/XHtCPGSS5sc?t=19s

[TimDunkem]

You think the Bucks will trade Brogdon for Murray?

After all, Murray supposedly has much higher upside, and was drafted by the best front office in the business (or so some claimed).

Maybe, but Murray is untouchable.

[ace3g]

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[raybies]

I think with Murray it all comes down to maturity. That's all it is imo. He has so much talent, he just needs to know his spots better.

Just finished watching the second half and I think there is a lot of overreaction going on here.

Four pick and rolls about near the end with Perrantes. When Bertans was the defender the team defense won out but Wayne was the defender Perrantes scored both times. I think yall are ragging on DJ too much. It really is Wayne tbh. Cause Bertans knew exactly what to do. Wayne played the coverage really bad. Still though there are not a lot of good defenders on summer Spurs.

Also I don't mind the shots DJ shot at the end. He just missed them. We know he needs work finishing. He tried to make something happen and missed. Oh well.

I'm not gonna defend his high dribble or loose handles but Simmons was the same way and if he could tighten them up enough to be serviceable then I have no doubt DJ can.

[SAGirl]

Hmm...A long PG that can attack, actually play the point, and has the versatility to play the other guard position?...Not sure who they could've drafted last year other than Murray who could've done all those things...Oh wait..

Edit: Can't seem to embed this , but just take a look: https://youtu.be/XHtCPGSS5sc?t=19s

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RC should be crying.
What stands out is solid all around player, body ready to play, he's a strong guard, not with athleticism that will stand out but enough to get things done bc he's strong he's not pushed off balance... good shooter, good court vision. Basically ready to play.

[sasaint]

of course.
then when he plays, he doesn't have rhythm nor chemistry and guys would be complaining team got a 24 year old senior citizen from college.. and he can't play, nor is he going to get better bc he's old (that one is me with the ageism ) :P then you have TD 21 saying they still have questions in the perimeter and Manu saying he's going to come back for another year to save the day. Would that have summarized Brogdon to the Spurs his rook season?

I am just glad that my guy is getting a real chance to play and develop. I wish I could see PATFO doing some of those things better with young guys.

It just looks to me like this team is in a real pickle right now, and PATFO are relying on their same old tricks - signing ageing vets (injured in the most recent case) instead of doing something bolder - not just to be bold but because that is what it will take to move the team forward. If you are going to have a sub-par season, do a little rebuilding with a younger guy or two - not a (likely) one year rental of Rudy Gay. The Spurs are like a perpetually "old team." But the old guys we are adding now are not guys who project to be nearly as effective as the old guys we are used to (Tim, Manu and Tony). Drafting PG prospects two consecutive years at this juncture is not a good sign.

[tholdren]

Hmm...A long PG that can attack, actually play the point, and has the versatility to play the other guard position?...Not sure who they could've drafted last year other than Murray who could've done all those things...Oh wait..

Edit: Can't seem to embed this , but just take a look: https://youtu.be/XHtCPGSS5sc?t=19s

I get it, but again maybe they saw more assertive player on both ends and fell in love with potential over a more ready now player. We may not even have this discussion if tp didnt get injured. But scouts had to witness his playground style and lack of bbiq. So wonder the knock on your guy

[SAGirl]

I think with Murray it all comes down to maturity. That's all it is imo. He has so much talent, he just needs to know his spots better.

Just finished watching the second half and I think there is a lot of overreaction going on here.

Four pick and rolls about near the end with Perrantes. When Bertans was the defender the team defense won out but Wayne was the defender Perrantes scored both times. I think yall are ragging on DJ too much. It really is Wayne tbh. Cause Bertans knew exactly what to do. Wayne played the coverage really bad. Still though there are not a lot of good defenders on summer Spurs.

Also I don't mind the shots DJ shot at the end. He just missed them. We know he needs work finishing. He tried to make something happen and missed. Oh well.

I'm not gonna defend his high dribble or loose handles but Simmons was the same way and if he could tighten them up enough to be serviceable then I have no doubt DJ can.

I watched Simmons a lot and he was not the same.

Simmons wasn't that careless or had a horrible high dribble... he just didn't really have good handles at all. He wasn't a PG in college either, or in the dleague... he was always the second guard. His handles just weren't good enough. He improved a lot over time. Dijon looks like he wants to get fancy at times. IMO he probably is more skilled with the ball... but less careful. Just an observation. Ability to finish at the rim there is no comparison. Simmons would have been dunking on dudes.

[tholdren]

I watched Simmons a lot and he was not the same.

Simmons wasn't that careless or had a horrible high dribble... he just didn't really have good handles at all. He wasn't a PG in college either, or in the dleague... he was always the second guard. His handles just weren't good enough. He improved a lot over time. Dijon looks like he wants to get fancy at times. IMO he probably is more skilled with the ball... but less careful. Just an observation. Ability to finish at the rim there is no comparison. Simmons would have been dunking on dudes.

Yep he wants to be on a highlight than play basketball. Playground trash.

[sasaint]

But.... and i hate murray type players.... when spurs need a bucket murray is still the better option at this point if it comes down to him and white.

If you need a bucket you better go to Forbes (despite his game-winner miss) over Murray or White. Murray's shooting is atrocious, and he is a TO machine. White wouldn't turn the ball over, but his shooting percentage is only so-so - albeit much better than Dijon's.

[raybies]

I watched Simmons a lot and he was not the same.

Simmons wasn't that careless or had a horrible high dribble... he just didn't really have good handles at all. He wasn't a PG in college either, or in the dleague... he was always the second guard. His handles just weren't good enough. He improved a lot over time. Dijon looks like he wants to get fancy at times. IMO he probably is more skilled with the ball... but less careful. Just an observation. Ability to finish at the rim there is no comparison. Simmons would have been dunking on dudes.

Hence why I say ultimately it comes down to maturity. As for the handles, sometimes he bobbles the ball like Simmons just out of nowhere and that's when I say he needs to tighten it up. The high dribble, fanciness, and carelessness is apart of the maturity. He'll be fine. Imagine Pop yelling at him and getting the bench or even more, hearing from Leonard. He's still a pup. One year and he's still what 20/21? He didn't play really all year and got thrown into the rotation after Tony went out. He did fine with less responsibility which is why I think he'll be fine with the starters on a short leash. He'll be the last option or near that and can just take what's given. He'll be fine.

[Snaq O'Meal]

I get it, but again maybe they saw more assertive player on both ends and fell in love with potential over a more ready now player. We may not even have this discussion if tp didnt get injured. But scouts had to witness his playground style and lack of bbiq. So wonder the knock on your guy

For scouts to claim that Brogdon has limited potential is dead wrong. Thanks to his relentless work ethic and high BBIQ that can't be taught, he has shown leaps in year-on-year improvements with no signs of slowing down. I'll take that any day over flashy playground dribbles.

[tholdren]

If you need a bucket you better go to Forbes (despite his game-winner miss) over Murray or White. Murray's shooting is atrocious, and he is a TO machine. White wouldn't turn the ball over, but his shooting percentage is only so-so - albeit much better than Dijon's.

I think murrays play would be get to the rim. Whether he turns it over from there is another story. But id ride with someone attacking the rim than a jumper. Remember spurs have gasol who is a monster on tbe offensive glass and great with putbacks.....

[TimDunkem]

And, again, it doesn't matter if TP went down or not. Brogdon would've played whether it was at PG or SG. Also, on a team with old guys like TP and Manu, he would've gotten his chance soon enough. Brogdon was ready to come in at ANY time, and the Spurs wouldn't have to had waste a pick on White.

[SAGirl]

Hence why I say ultimately it comes down to maturity. As for the handles, sometimes he bobbles the ball like Simmons just out of nowhere and that's when I say he needs to tighten it up. The high dribble, fanciness, and carelessness is apart of the maturity. He'll be fine. Imagine Pop yelling at him and getting the bench or even more, hearing from Leonard. He's still a pup. One year and he's still what 20/21? He didn't play really all year and got thrown into the rotation after Tony went out. He did fine with less responsibility which is why I think he'll be fine with the starters on a short leash. He'll be the last option or near that and can just take what's given. He'll be fine.

I agree with you on this. Maturity. If he stays with the simple plays he will be fine we have seen it. He does need to work on his offensive game. I haven't seen any improvement in that area.

[sasaint]

I think murrays play would be get to the rim. Whether he turns it over from there is another story. But id ride with someone attacking the rim than a jumper. Remember spurs have gasol who is a monster on tbe offensive glass and great with putbacks.....

Murray's play may be to get to the rim, but whether it is that or a ten foot floater or a jumper, he is unlikely to put the ball in the hole.

[tholdren]

And, again, it doesn't matter if TP went down or not. Brogdon would've played whether it was at PG or SG. Also, on a team with old guys like TP and Manu, he would've gotten his chance soon enough. Brogdon was ready to come in at ANY time, and the Spurs wouldn't have to had waste a pick on White.

When did rookies get to sa and play big minutes or playoff minutes? The point is had tp not gone down, murray wouldnt have played, there would be no basis for his poor play versus brogdon. Brogdon played 2k minutes to murrays 300... not excusing murrays trash and1 play, but you cant compare the two as one has played almost 7x more

[Ditty]

Omg it's summer league. Stop critiquing everything

He will be fine, and has shown the ability to play well against good teams.

[sasaint]

And, again, it doesn't matter if TP went down or not. Brogdon would've played whether it was at PG or SG. Also, on a team with old guys like TP and Manu, he would've gotten his chance soon enough. Brogdon was ready to come in at ANY time, and the Spurs wouldn't have to had waste a pick on White.

I just don't have any confidence in PATFO anymore - whether it is in talent evaluation or player development or recognition of when a player is "ready." The fact that they DID pass on Brogdon and went for a "home run" on the younger, rawer guy and had to draft yet another tweener PG prospect the very next draft only reinforces my lack of trust in the regime. LMA just may turn out to be the personnel move that brought down the Spurs.

[SAGirl]

Omg it's summer league. Stop critiquing everything

He will be fine, and has shown the ability to play well against good teams.

I mean ... what is this forum for.
the worst kind of poster is the one who wants others to shut up.

Trust me. Many posters here hate Anderson, you don't see me telling ppl to shut up.

[TimDunkem]

When did rookies get to sa and play big minutes or playoff minutes? The point is had tp not gone down, murray wouldnt have played, there would be no basis for his poor play versus brogdon. Brogdon played 2k minutes to murrays 300... not excusing murrays trash and1 play, but you cant compare the two as one has played almost 7x more

My point is that Brogdon was ready at any time no matter what happened. We wouldn't be rolling the dice and wasting time developing Murray who is still very raw and there would've been no reason to go after White.

[TimDunkem]

I mean ... what is this forum for.
the worst kind of poster is the one who wants others to shut up.

Trust me. Many posters here hate Anderson, you don't see me telling ppl to shut up.

Yep. I mean, are we just supposed to suck off every Spurs player and the FO? Discussion - including critique - is what this place is for. It's like going to a restaurant and telling people not to eat.

[tholdren]

My point is that Brogdon was ready at any time no matter what happened. We wouldn't be rolling the dice and wasting time developing Murray who is still very raw and there would've been no reason to go after White.

I get it. Im still thinking they want murray to be manu. Brogdon couldnt do that, i feel was sentiment. Review when murray is playing 20mpg and see ... time will tell

[BD24]

I'm excited to bump some of these threads when Murray makes all of these idiots eat crow. Are we really forgetting the solid outings he had against NBA level compe ion last year? Jesus ST.

Quit taking so much stock in Summer League play. As cubby would say. Act like somebody.