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    Then you misunderstood me. Not as much a player fan as one would think, either. The way your sentence about defense was constructed, made it look like you implied the Kings game. While overall for the season Davis hasn't been good, it's safe to say that he's much less the culprit on the defensive end some people here want to make him out to be.
    I think you are a solid poster with often good insight. No need to call people names, like player-fan.
    I'm glad that you aren't trying to be a player-fan. I think a lot of us are biased toward certain guys ( Danny, why'd you have to go ). But I've grown to really detest having my quotes taken out of context as part of a straw man. That's happened a bunch in recent years, and it's almost always because I give a "good-and-bad" critique of a player, and a player-fan isolates the bad part to push an agenda. I apologize if you didn't mean to do that for that reason.

    Bertans definitely isn't "the problem" on defense. The problem is that they have no real positive defenders, so they have to play near their absolute ceiling to make ends meet on that side of the court. Davis doesn't play enough to explain why the D is so poor. He is often a target for the other team on D though (yes, because racism), and he's been doing a horrible job at stopping guys. He's been moving his feet well when he's in a recovery position, but he's either flopping or just plain getting knocked down. I don't know if someone called the league office on him, leading to refs never giving him the benefit of the doubt, but it's odd and really concerning.

    I understand, though, why Pop doesn't have him get guaranteed minutes when you factor in the D, lack of rebounding and foolish mistakes like that decision to try the bounce-pass to Poeltl. With a decent roster to work with, I could see Bertans just having like 8-12 minutes a game at the end of quarters to shoot and get some plays run for him. But with Beli as bad as he has been, you have to think about giving Davis more minutes. Marco isn't any better on D, and his O is worse.

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    Woah, I'm surprised Bertans is only a +/- -1.4 for the season, what with having to share the floor with Beli and Mills so often..
    Not only that. He played entire quarters of garbage time in lineups that had Pondexter as the point guard and Cunningham as the shooting guard.

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    But with Beli as bad as he has been, you have to think about giving Davis more minutes. Marco isn't any better on D, and his O is worse.
    Used to be excited about Marco when he just entered the league. But he hasn't grown as a player, not one bit. So many bone-headed plays from just one guy.

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    Woah, I'm surprised Bertans is only a +/- -1.4 for the season, what with having to share the floor with Beli and Mills so often..
    -11.4. Yes, I would have been surprised if it were only -1.4 too.

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    I'm glad that you aren't trying to be a player-fan. I think a lot of us are biased toward certain guys ( Danny, why'd you have to go ). But I've grown to really detest having my quotes taken out of context as part of a straw man. That's happened a bunch in recent years, and it's almost always because I give a "good-and-bad" critique of a player, and a player-fan isolates the bad part to push an agenda. I apologize if you didn't mean to do that for that reason.

    Bertans definitely isn't "the problem" on defense. The problem is that they have no real positive defenders, so they have to play near their absolute ceiling to make ends meet on that side of the court. Davis doesn't play enough to explain why the D is so poor. He is often a target for the other team on D though (yes, because racism), and he's been doing a horrible job at stopping guys. He's been moving his feet well when he's in a recovery position, but he's either flopping or just plain getting knocked down. I don't know if someone called the league office on him, leading to refs never giving him the benefit of the doubt, but it's odd and really concerning.

    I understand, though, why Pop doesn't have him get guaranteed minutes when you factor in the D, lack of rebounding and foolish mistakes like that decision to try the bounce-pass to Poeltl. With a decent roster to work with, I could see Bertans just having like 8-12 minutes a game at the end of quarters to shoot and get some plays run for him. But with Beli as bad as he has been, you have to think about giving Davis more minutes. Marco isn't any better on D, and his O is worse.
    Remember when posters felt that signing Belinelli meant goodbye to Forbes? Those were some good times.

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    Used to be excited about Marco when he just entered the league. But he hasn't grown as a player, not one bit. So many bone-headed plays from just one guy.
    He has a very inconsistent level of play because of how weird his shot is. If he were more consistent, he'd be fine. He's barely getting paid anything by today's standards. Pop just can't afford to give a slumping Marco minutes like Beli's some core guy. He's not.

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    Remember when posters felt that signing Belinelli meant goodbye to Forbes? Those were some good times.
    Pretty sure I wasn't even including Bryn in any off-season simulations until after he signed. He's been fine for the money, and with the injuries, I'm glad the team has him, but yeah, it's like PATFO completely expected someone to offer Bryn more money, and they didn't.

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    -11.4. Yes, I would have been surprised if it were only -1.4 too.

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    -11.4. Yes, I would have been surprised if it were only -1.4 too.
    I think you mean on/off, not +/-.

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    At this point, just trade him Pop. For real. You would be doing everybody a ing favour.

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    At this point, just trade him Pop. For real. You would be doing everybody a ing favour.
    At least to Bertans.

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    I would like to know if Cunningham ever did something like this on his 14 years career.


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    Cun's been fine tonight. Why Pop ran four guards instead of playing Bertans is a different story.

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    Bertans shooting 49% from the field, 49% from three with a efg% of 68%.

    Meanwhile Marco "our big signing of the summer" Bellinelli is shooting 38% from the field, 32% from three, with a efg% of 46%.

    But no worries, I'm sure all the minutes Bellinelli is getting over Bertans are because of his vastly superior defense. I mean, Pop doesn't have personal bias, he just plays the guys that deserve to play.

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    Bertans shooting 49% from the field, 49% from three with a efg% of 68%.

    Meanwhile Marco "our big signing of the summer" Bellinelli is shooting 38% from the field, 32% from three, with a efg% of 46%.

    But no worries, I'm sure all the minutes Bellinelli is getting over Bertans are because of his vastly superior defense. I mean, Pop doesn't have personal bias, he just plays the guys that deserve to play.
    Pop doesn't have personal bias, he just doesn't have Tim Duncan to save his ass.

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    Bertans shooting 49% from the field, 49% from three with a efg% of 68%.

    Meanwhile Marco "our big signing of the summer" Bellinelli is shooting 38% from the field, 32% from three, with a efg% of 46%.

    But no worries, I'm sure all the minutes Bellinelli is getting over Bertans are because of his vastly superior defense. I mean, Pop doesn't have personal bias, he just plays the guys that deserve to play.
    Though Bert played okay. He wasn't that great and go pushed over multiple times on D yet again, but I appreciated that he showed more grit tonight. I do find it hard to defend Pop playing four guards or three guards and Pon over playing Bertans for stretches.

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    Pop doesn't want to wear Bertans out. Must be it.

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    Pop doesn't want to wear Bertans out. Must be it.
    Got to keep him fresh for the inevitable Finals run.

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    Is Davis trade ballast at this point?

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    I wouldn't be surprised if Bertans getting shorted on minutes is punishment for refusing the 4/20 deal and hardballing them into 2/14. Not saying that's it but I wouldn't be shocked.

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    Got to keep him fresh for the inevitable Finals run.
    You bet. Gotta have him sharp in the playoffs.

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    I wouldn't be surprised if Bertans getting shorted on minutes is punishment for refusing the 4/20 deal and hardballing them into 2/14. Not saying that's it but I wouldn't be shocked.
    Yes, makes sense what with all the punishment Patts and Pooh are getting for their deals.

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    Yes, makes sense what with all the punishment Patts and Pooh are getting for their deals.
    There wasn't hardball with Patty. Spurs went berzerk trying to please him, terrified of letting other teams court him with superstar meetings. 12:01 four year deals are given happily.

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    I mean why bring him back if you're just gonna roll with ing Dante Cunningham and QPon. Like seriously, just save the money.

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    Pop doesn't have personal bias, he just doesn't have Tim Duncan to save his ass.

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