Dallas Church Shooting

[Th'Pusher]

There are over 18.5 million CHL permits issued in the US. How many events like you described have occurred in the CHL community vs the non CHL community? I think your concern is irrational and not at all supported by the facts.

I’m on firm ground stating that access to firearms is associated with an increased risk of firearm-related death and injury.

So your insistence on access to firearms to deal with an irrational fear increases the risk of death and injury to you and your family in particular. I think that’s irresponsible. But hey, it’s your right.

[DMC]

I’m on firm ground stating that access to firearms is associated with an increased risk of firearm-related death and injury.

That's a macro issue. Access to tobacco is associated with an increased risk of cancer. I don't smoke. It's a personal choice.

So your insistence on access to firearms to deal with an irrational fear increases the risk of death and injury to you and your family in particular. I think that’s irresponsible. But hey, it’s your right.

Just as knives in the kitchen, electrical outlets in the home, a tub deep enough to drown in, a swimming pool, etc... increases the risk of injury or death. These are risk vs reward decisions people make. There's obviously a risk in calling 911, you could be shot on accident (like what happened to that poor woman in Dallas). Everything carries with it a certain amount of risk. If you don't trust your ability to provide a safe environment for your family if there's a gun in the home, you shouldn't own one. I am a strong supporter of the freedom to not own a gun and I think some people should be legally barred from ever possessing a firearm. I would not be against a requirement of training and testing before you could be given the right to carry a firearm. Oh wait, that exists already and I've been through it multiple times (plus military training). I think I'll be ok.

[Th'Pusher]

That's a macro issue. Access to tobacco is associated with an increased risk of cancer. I don't smoke. It's a personal choice.

Just as knives in the kitchen, electrical outlets in the home, a tub deep enough to drown in, a swimming pool, etc... increases the risk of injury or death. These are risk vs reward decisions people make. There's obviously a risk in calling 911, you could be shot on accident (like what happened to that poor woman in Dallas). Everything carries with it a certain amount of risk. If you don't trust your ability to provide a safe environment for your family if there's a gun in the home, you shouldn't own one. I am a strong supporter of the freedom to not own a gun and I think some people should be legally barred from ever possessing a firearm. I would not be against a requirement of training and testing before you could be given the right to carry a firearm. Oh wait, that exists already and I've been through it multiple times (plus military training). I think I'll be ok.

That’s great Rambo. You choose to put you, your family and others at greater risk of firearm related death and injury because of your irrational fear that you may need to protect yourself.

[DMC]

That’s great Rambo. You choose to put you, your family and others at greater risk of firearm related death and injury because of your irrational fear that you may need to protect yourself.

Hyperbole, as usual.

[Th'Pusher]

Hyperbole, as usual.

It’s a fact.

[DMC]

It’s a fact.

No, you used an appeal to emotion. You didn't give any statistics to show the actual risk vs reward. You didn't quantify the rationality (purely situational concept you couldn't know anyhow). And I am not Rambo.

This is why no one takes your comments seriously. You go off the rails with panicky jargon. Oh noes! You'll get your entire family killed because you wanted to go to a theme park! Car accidents happen! Don't you care? Ok Mario Andretti!

[Th'Pusher]

No, you used an appeal to emotion. You didn't give any statistics to show the actual risk vs reward. You didn't quantify the rationality (purely situational concept you couldn't know anyhow). And I am not Rambo.

This is why no one takes your comments seriously. You go off the rails with panicky jargon. Oh noes! You'll get your entire family killed because you wanted to go to a theme park! Car accidents happen! Don't you care? Ok Mario Andretti!

It’s a fact. You, your family and others are more likely to be injured or killed by a firearm because you possesses a firearm. I can back that up with stats all day, but you know that already.

As you stated before, we can disagree on what we consider to be rational.

[boutons_deux]

It’s a fact. You, your family and others are more likely to be injured or killed by a firearm because you possesses a firearm. I can back that up with stats all day, but you know that already.

yep, gun(s) in the house means more gun murders and gun injuries, death in the house, esp dead wives.

That's why docs are REGULATED from discussing guns, as "public/personal health hazard" with patients

[Blake]

There are over 18.5 million CHL permits issued in the US. How many events like you described have occurred in the CHL community vs the non CHL community? I think your concern is irrational and not at all supported by the facts.

Where can I find my local CHL community so I can go stand in the middle of it and feel safer? Is there a website?

[Blake]

That's a macro issue. Access to tobacco is associated with an increased risk of cancer. I don't smoke. It's a personal choice.

Just as knives in the kitchen, electrical outlets in the home, a tub deep enough to drown in, a swimming pool, etc... increases the risk of injury or death. These are risk vs reward decisions people make. There's obviously a risk in calling 911, you could be shot on accident (like what happened to that poor woman in Dallas). Everything carries with it a certain amount of risk. If you don't trust your ability to provide a safe environment for your family if there's a gun in the home, you shouldn't own one. I am a strong supporter of the freedom to not own a gun and I think some people should be legally barred from ever possessing a firearm. I would not be against a requirement of training and testing before you could be given the right to carry a firearm. Oh wait, that exists already and I've been through it multiple times (plus military training). I think I'll be ok.

Lol "I'm a strong supporter of the freedom to not own a gun".

Because there are those out that support forced ownership

[DMC]

It’s a fact. You, your family and others are more likely to be injured or killed by a firearm because you possesses a firearm. I can back that up with stats all day, but you know that already.

As you stated before, we can disagree on what we consider to be rational.

If you fear guns and lack the self discipline required to safely store and operate a firearm, it's rational to not own one. Likewise, if I possess the self discipline to safely store and operate a firearm, it's rational for me to own one. Neither of us should be considered irrational based on our different cir stances and outlooks. It would only be irrational if one of us did something that doesn't jive with our outlooks and abilities. This assumes we are of sound mind.

[DMC]

Where can I find my local CHL community so I can go stand in the middle of it and feel safer? Is there a website?

You might not qualify. Check your local gun ranges for information on license to carry or check the DPS website.

[DMC]

Lol "I'm a strong supporter of the freedom to not own a gun".

Because there are those out that support forced ownership

(CNN)As the debate over guns continues in Washington and in communities across the country, there's at least one place where owning a gun is technically required by law.

In Kennesaw, Georgia, local law says that "every head of household residing in the city limits is required to maintain a firearm."
"If you're going to commit a crime in Kennesaw and you're the criminal -- are you going to take a chance that that homeowner is a law-abiding citizen?" asked Kennesaw Mayor Derek Easterling.
Wayne Arnold is one of those citizens. Among the weapons he keeps at home are an AR-15-style .223 caliber rifle, a variety of handguns and more.
"It gives me the ability to protect myself as opposed to being somewhere where you weren't allowed to have a firearm or it was frowned upon," said Arnold.

You really should do a Google search before opening your suck hole.

[Th'Pusher]

If you fear guns and lack the self discipline required to safely store and operate a firearm, it's rational to not own one. Likewise, if I possess the self discipline to safely store and operate a firearm, it's rational for me to own one. Neither of us should be considered irrational based on our different cir stances and outlooks. It would only be irrational if one of us did something that doesn't jive with our outlooks and abilities. This assumes we are of sound mind.

I don’t fear guns. I just don’t see the need to own one. I don’t hunt and I’m not concerned about protecting myself or my property with a gun. It’s just not a fear I deal with. If it was a fear I deal with, like you do, I’m confident I could own a gun responsibly. That said, even if I was a responsible gun owner, like you claim to be, I’d still be increasing the likelihood of death or injury as a result of owning the firearm. That’s a fact.

[DMC]

I don’t fear guns. I just don’t see the need to own one. I don’t hunt and I’m not concerned about protecting myself or my property with a gun. It’s just not a fear I deal with. If it was a fear I deal with, like you do, I’m confident I could own a gun responsibly. That said, even if I was a responsible gun owner, like you claim to be, I’d still be increasing the likelihood of death or injury as a result of owning the firearm. That’s a fact.

How many guns would I have to acquire to increase the odds of death by firearm in my home to 100%?

[Th'Pusher]

How many guns would I have to acquire to increase the odds of death by firearm in my home to 100%?

Probably a lot. I have no idea.

For me personally, it’s not about the statistics. I just don’t live in a state a fear where I feel the need to own a gun. The fact that owning a firearm increases the the likelihood of death or injury to me, my family and others by any measure, is all the more reason to not own one.

You’re good though. The er decision said you have a right to own a gun for personal protection even if that right increases the likelihood of death or injury as a result of ownership.

[boutons_deux]

‘Gun worship is conservative virtue-signaling’:

Former Republican goes off on GOP gun culture

for being a litmus test for Republican voters.

U.S. Naval War College Prof. Tom Nichols made the argument on Monday, following a day of chest-pounding by gun enthusiasts.

“Even when I was a Republican,

I never understood people who

measure freedom by how many of us walk around with guns.

This is a cultural change,

the spreading of the gun culture from a corner of the GOP to the entire conservative moment,”

“The spread of gun worship is conservative virtue-signaling,” he charged.

“Never liked it when I was among my old tribe, and

it’s gotten worse

as ‘conservatives’ try to figure out new markers for what makes them ‘patriots’

now that they’ve had to sell out so much actual patriotism to Trump,”

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/12/former-republican-goes-off-on-gop-gun-culture-gun-worship-is-conservative-virtue-signaling/

... metastasis of gun worship is just another symptom in the America-killing disease known as the Repug party and it cult base.

[DMC]

Probably a lot. I have no idea.

For me personally, it’s not about the statistics. I just don’t live in a state a fear where I feel the need to own a gun. The fact that owning a firearm increases the the likelihood of death or injury to me, my family and others by any measure, is all the more reason to not own one.

You’re good though. The er decision said you have a right to own a gun for personal protection even if that right increases the likelihood of death or injury as a result of ownership.

So what's your point? You seem to be concerned more about my family than about yours.

The fact that you think the risk increases if I put more guns in the safe should be enough to show you haven't thought it through before lodging your objections. Someone working in a gun store is really at high risk, and someone in a gun factory or armory is basically dead man walking.

[Th'Pusher]

So what's your point? You seem to be concerned more about my family than about yours.

The fact that you think the risk increases if I put more guns in the safe should be enough to show you haven't thought it through before lodging your objections. Someone working in a gun store is really at high risk, and someone in a gun factory or armory is basically dead man walking.

My point is that your personal decision to own a gun to protect yourself puts all of us at greater risk. You and your family in particular.

[DMC]

My point is that your personal decision to own a gun to protect yourself puts all of us at greater risk. You and your family in particular.

Now you live in fear.

[Th'Pusher]

Now you live in fear.

Nope. Just a statistical fact.

[DMC]

Nope. Just a statistical fact.

So you're not afraid of increased risk to your family? Why should I be?

[boutons_deux]

Nurse and Adjunct Professor, 61,

Killed by Celebratory Gunfire in Texas on New Year’s Day

https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/nurse-and-adjunct-professor-61-killed-by-celebratory-gunfire-in-texas-on-new-years-day/

hole Texas, Yeah!

[Th'Pusher]

So you're not afraid of increased risk to your family? Why should I be?

I didn’t say you should be afraid. I simply stated a fact.

[DMC]

I didn’t say you should be afraid. I simply stated a fact.

Then it doesn't matter. Why do you care?