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    Being bad isn't what defines a tank job, WANTING to stay bad does. Detroit gave the keys to the team to unplayable Kyllian Hayes, sat everyone after the All Star break, didn't make any effort to improve the team in season, and kept their coach although they had about an all time worst franchise record. Of course it was a tank job, one of the most egregious tank jobs of all time. BTW, Bogdanovic's extension was at the beginning of the season because he was an asset, but the only reason they didn't trade him was because their demands weren't met, and they pulled the plug on him later on.
    Actually No one came close to Houston as far as blatantly tanking

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    Gradey isn't slow footed nor is he unathletic... I'll give you that Sharpe is a higher level athlete, but it's not by that much and Sharpe has no D. His much counted on O hasn't materialized. He's a basic high risk high reward guy and there's nothing wring with that where he was drafted. I'm not down on him, but saying Gradey is a poor defender is nonsense and runs counter to most all evaluations on him and make me wonder if you even watched him.

    He did and he saw that gradey is white, so he must be slow footed, unathletic and bad on D.

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    Actually No one came close to Houston as far as blatantly tanking
    Portland did when they decided to tank. They sat their top four players for weeks.

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    He did and he saw that gradey is white, so he must be slow footed, unathletic and bad on D.
    I saw the Box and One analysis on Gradey . I like that site and find them to not positive spin all the prospects. They say the positives and negatives on the players.

    Gradey may be the best shooter in the draft that's why he might go to Utah at 9.

    All NBA players are athletic. When I say unathletic it means as compared to other NBA players.

    Yes. he is slow in keeping with his man defensively. That is why teams game planned to go at him on 1 on 1 matchups.

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    Just came across this article. No way my man slips to late first or second round as a few have predicted. No way at all. In fact I'm more convinced than ever he's gone in the top ten or higher. And I'm happy to say it, I think he has a better career than Scoot, Miller, Thompson Twins, Walker, Whitmore, , etc. etc. I'd take him #2 if I was the Hornets. He'd fit perfectly over there.

    A few quotes that jumped out to me:

    From his coach: Bilal is one of the most talented players I have had the chance to coach,” explains De Carvalho. “He is smart, he works, he is humble, he has that drive to become a beautiful player. In my team, he could score 40, 50 points easily

    From Wembanyama: “He is our X factor,” notes teammate Victor Wembanyama. “An all-terrain weapon, he can posterize a player and on the very next play block him. Players keep on underestimating him because he is young…They go for a layup thinking they are safe and they get annihilated. Every game he does something crazy. I think he is the player I’m looking for the most on the court.”

    From an Eastern Conference scout: “I can’t really talk,” says one scout for an Eastern Conference team. “But if we are all here while some of us have no chance to get the other guy [Wembanyama], it means that he is pretty good, right?”

    https://www.slamonline.com/the-magaz...lal-coulibaly/

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    Just came across this article. No way my man slips to late first or second round as a few have predicted. No way at all. In fact I'm more convinced than ever he's gone in the top ten or higher. And I'm happy to say it, I think he has a better career than Scoot, Miller, Thompson Twins, Walker, Whitmore, , etc. etc. I'd take him #2 if I was the Hornets. He'd fit perfectly over there.

    A few quotes that jumped out to me:

    From his coach: Bilal is one of the most talented players I have had the chance to coach,” explains De Carvalho. “He is smart, he works, he is humble, he has that drive to become a beautiful player. In my team, he could score 40, 50 points easily

    From Wembanyama: “He is our X factor,” notes teammate Victor Wembanyama. “An all-terrain weapon, he can posterize a player and on the very next play block him. Players keep on underestimating him because he is young…They go for a layup thinking they are safe and they get annihilated. Every game he does something crazy. I think he is the player I’m looking for the most on the court.”

    From an Eastern Conference scout: “I can’t really talk,” says one scout for an Eastern Conference team. “But if we are all here while some of us have no chance to get the other guy [Wembanyama], it means that he is pretty good, right?”

    https://www.slamonline.com/the-magaz...lal-coulibaly/
    Hurry up to see the coach and teammate praise the player.
    This isn't representative.

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    Hurry up to see the coach and teammate praise the player.
    This isn't representative.
    Coach. Player. Scouts (that had zero shot at drafting Wembanyama).

    Underestimate him. But the more I read, the more I see my views on Bilal are evidently aligned with NBA personnel. Pop is there as we speak. I guarantee you he's got an eye or two on my man while meeting with Victor and his family. I wouldn't be shocked if the Spurs move back into the first round, it's to get this guy.

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    Coach. Player. Scouts (that had zero shot at drafting Wembanyama).

    Underestimate him. But the more I read, the more I see my views on Bilal are evidently aligned with NBA personnel. Pop is there as we speak. I guarantee you he's got an eye or two on my man while meeting with Victor and his family. I wouldn't be shocked if the Spurs move back into the first round, it's to get this guy.
    I have nothing against him. If Pop, Wright and our scouts like him, I don't mind.

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    I‘m all in on Bilal Coulibaly. I get that people want a PG, but this guy has real potential to be a superstar

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    No, Bilal is not going to become a superstar and he isn’t going top 10. Holy . This is the only place with these ridiculous claims. He’s barely had any impact in today’s game. Dude plays like another Keldon Johnson.

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    Bilal is smaller than people seem to think. It's a shame he didn't get to go to the combine, though for him it's likely a good thing he doesn't have to measure up. I think people see him and think OG or Hunter. I haven't watched a ton of him, but I think his physical profile is more likely to be a question area than a selling point, and without that, he's nowhere near as exciting. If the Spurs think he's going to be great, then they should look at finding a way to go get him. But I wouldn't be surprised if he's there at 33 and either passed on or taken and then shunting into the d-league.

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    No, Bilal is not going to become a superstar and he isn’t going top 10. Holy . This is the only place with these ridiculous claims. He’s barely had any impact in today’s game. Dude plays like another Keldon Johnson.
    I said he has the potential. The kid is 18 with an elite wingspan. Ain't no telling how good he will be. You just take a swing at him and hope for the best. I like him better than any of the later PG prospects

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    Bilal is smaller than people seem to think. It's a shame he didn't get to go to the combine, though for him it's likely a good thing he doesn't have to measure up. I think people see him and think OG or Hunter. I haven't watched a ton of him, but I think his physical profile is more likely to be a question area than a selling point, and without that, he's nowhere near as exciting. If the Spurs think he's going to be great, then they should look at finding a way to go get him. But I wouldn't be surprised if he's there at 33 and either passed on or taken and then shunting into the d-league.
    combine during his team fights in the playoffs?
    bad game today be honest

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    Reminds me of Tony Parker's set shot when he first entered the league...


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    Shot is too slow and too low. Really needs to be open.

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    Bilal or Bufkin are the only 2 players we should even consider trading up for. If these 2 are unattainable, you stay put. Trade both 2nds and Charlotte future 1st, which I don’t think will convey, by the way.

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    Bilal or Bufkin are the only 2 players we should even consider trading up for. If these 2 are unattainable, you stay put. Trade both 2nds and Charlotte future 1st, which I don’t think will convey, by the way.
    They have the remaining framework of a 43 win team, and the #2 pick in the draft. They’re making the playoffs in the next 2 years, and we’ll get the pick.

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    There's going to be some churn in the eastern conference, although maybe not as much as in the western conference in terms of actual playoff teams. Bulls may be pulling the plug, Toronto may decline, if Philadelphia loses Harden they're dead in the water. Nets are already not going to be a playoff team.

    The way the Hornets were looking with Mark Williams and people healthy, they look pretty good.

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    Judging by their fans, Utah and OKC may be aggressive in moving up. Utah is already in the mid-lottery and has other picks. OKC has future picks they need to use somehow. Indiana may also try to move some of their picks up.

    We hear it every year: This is the draft where there's tons of movement. It usually doesn't happen. This one, however, has some pressure at work:

    1) The league is at an inflection point. Old teams are declining, recent compe ors are crapping out - Mil, Bos, Phi.
    2) High upside players are sitting there at the top of the draft - Scoot, Miller, Amen, Ausar, Whitmore.
    3) A handful of teams have stashes of picks they somehow need to use.

    So, we have marginal teams that can boost themselves going hard after a top guy, we have advancing teams that need to spend their kitties somehow.

    Trying to get some of these slots could get pretty expensive because the demand will be high.

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    Adding: there are teams that may have to defend their pick swaps by not really fully tanking. Houston, for example.

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    There's going to be some churn in the eastern conference, although maybe not as much as in the western conference in terms of actual playoff teams. Bulls may be pulling the plug, Toronto may decline, if Philadelphia loses Harden they're dead in the water. Nets are already not going to be a playoff team.

    The way the Hornets were looking with Mark Williams and people healthy, they look pretty good.
    Might be slightly more concerned at the Bulls pick not conveying than the Hornets pick at this point, tbh

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    Dallas at 10 increasingly seems like the right target. If they need to dump Hardaway, he might be exactly the kind of low-key vet contributor to add to the team (I actually think Josh Richardson would have been perfect for this). I don't know much about his personality though and he probably still views himself as a key piece on a contender.

    #10 + Hardaway for the CHA Pick and #44? What's the right deal here? I'm sure people want #10 to just come free attached to Hardaway but I don't see that as realistic.

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    I just dont think Dallas wants to take steps back and I think trading 10+hardaway without getting players back would be bad for them and Luka wouldn’t be thrilled

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    You're probably right, unfortunately I don't think we have any of the kind of players Dallas would want.

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    Might be slightly more concerned at the Bulls pick not conveying than the Hornets pick at this point, tbh
    True concern. I think we might be okay. It doesn't start until 2025 and drops from 1-10 protection to 1-8 protection for the 2026 and 2027. They lost their pick this year but get one next year from Portland that conveys if the Blazers make the playoffs by 2028 (admittedly an uncertain thing). They don't owe much other than SRPs and may get something for trading Lavine, etc.

    Dallas at 10 increasingly seems like the right target. If they need to dump Hardaway, he might be exactly the kind of low-key vet contributor to add to the team (I actually think Josh Richardson would have been perfect for this). I don't know much about his personality though and he probably still views himself as a key piece on a contender.

    #10 + Hardaway for the CHA Pick and #44? What's the right deal here? I'm sure people want #10 to just come free attached to Hardaway but I don't see that as realistic.
    Right, I really think Dallas needs to come away with a player or two for that pick this season, whether they use it themselves. They might be willing to trade back in the first round while gaining some advantage somewhere else, but not all the way back to #33.

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