Spurs looking to acquire another 1st?

[Mr. Body]

For the same reason there are groups of over 10 salaried professionals, each likely paid six figures, employed by multiple teams who rate him highly that somehow you have reduced to as simple as iF hE wAsNt nAmEd ScOot, He WoUldNt bE rATed hIgHly. Good job, you spit in the face of people who actually do their homework and don’t dumb things down to simplistic views.

Those aren't reasons. You're saying 1) because other people value this asset, and 2) you are upset that other people don't want him.

The first is more or less fine, in my view, but you still need to evaluate your situation and needs, otherwise this sounds more ike "I want the head cheerleader because everyone else wants the head cheerleader."

And then you seem to get really upset when people say that he's not a good fit and suggest reasons why -- he's not a good fit, he's undersized, not a good shooter, ball-dominant, his personality may clash with Wembanyama, he's actually not that good, he would cost way too much to acquire.

I don't mean to get on your case. It just sounds like rascal and Shaeden Sharpe.

And if you want to get back at me, you should ask why I'm obsessed with a certain player. I have reasons. Maybe they're not the greatest reasons, but I have reasons.

[Dejounte]

Those aren't reasons. You're saying 1) because other people value this asset, and 2) you are upset that other people don't want him.

The first is more or less fine, in my view, but you still need to evaluate your situation and needs, otherwise this sounds more ike "I want the head cheerleader because everyone else wants the head cheerleader."

And then you seem to get really upset when people say that he's not a good fit and suggest reasons why -- he's not a good fit, he's undersized, not a good shooter, ball-dominant, his personality may clash with Wembanyama, he's actually not that good, he would cost way too much to acquire.

I don't mean to get on your case. It just sounds like rascal and Shaeden Sharpe.

And if you want to get back at me, you should ask why I'm obsessed with a certain player. I have reasons. Maybe they're not the greatest reasons, but I have reasons.

I’ve stated my views on Scoot ad nauseam, to the point where it would be ridiculous to say I’m just following someone’s lead on this. I’ve said before that I do hours and hours of research before I form an opinion on players. I have countless videos favorited on prospects, as well as articles, stats, etc. It isn’t anywhere close to rascal and his infatuation with athletic players. It doesn’t upset me when people don’t want Scoot, it’s the unfounded claims about a player’s character that irks me most, as well as the fortune telling that people love to do here when it comes to player futures.

For example, there is probably very few or none that have reviewed this like I have:

[kobyz]

Anthony Black who is Jason Kidd type PG could be a perfect match for us at PG position, someone who set the tone defensively and will know how to set up Wembanyama on offense

[R. DeMurre]

Post less. Nobody wants your ing opinion on everything.

I’ve stated my views on Scoot ad nauseam, to the point where it would be ridiculous...

Oh, the irony of the exasperated and thin-skinned I'm-better-than-everybody expert.

[rascal]

Anthony Black who is Jason Kidd type PG could be a perfect match for us at PG position, someone who set the tone defensively and will know how to set up Wembanyama on offense

Black is not like Jason Kidd. Black is way overrated at Spurstalk. Because two or three guys are pounding on the Black drum at Spurstalk he's now as good as Jason Kidd.

He may not even be good enough to be a starter in the NBA.

[Dejounte]

Oh, the irony of the exasperated and thin-skinned I'm-better-than-everybody expert.

The only reason you think that’s irony is because you think I post about everything, which is factually incorrect as I barely spend time giving my opinion on here. So the only conclusion here is that you give my posts extra attention than you do others and you can’t help yourself to give a snarky reply like you did here. If I bother you so much, I’ll repeat the same thing I have to you many times before that you simply can’t do: put me on Ignore.

[DAF86]

Anthony Black who is Jason Kidd type PG could be a perfect match for us at PG position, someone who set the tone defensively and will know how to set up Wembanyama on offense

I don't think that type of PG is what the Spurs are needing, imho. To me the Spurs are lacking a dynamic playmaker, a Murray to Wemby's Jokic. If everything pans out, we will have our franchise bigman (Wemby), our 3 and D guy (Vassell), our do it all glue guy that can defend 5 positions (Sochan), a secondary scoring wing with good 3pt shooting (Keldon) (although I do think Keldon might be the odd man out), we are lacking that explosive point of attack guard that can take over games.

[EricB]

For the same reason there are groups of over 10 salaried professionals, each likely paid six figures, employed by multiple teams who rate him highly that somehow you have reduced to as simple as iF hE wAsNt nAmEd ScOot, He WoUldNt bE rATed hIgHly. Good job, you spit in the face of people who actually do their homework and don’t dumb things down to simplistic views.

MRO be fair these people once rated Darko above Carmelo Anthony.

drafting is a tough not exact science. These guys just cause they make big money aren’t always right.

[Dejounte]

MRO be fair these people once rated Darko above Carmelo Anthony.

drafting is a tough not exact science. These guys just cause they make big money aren’t always right.

And I didn’t say they always get it right. But I’ll trust the judgment of those who spend 40 hours a week for one year or more reviewing film and analytics over a simple, dumbed down analysis that some make on here. I don’t go blindly believing that teams make the right pick because they did their homework— but it makes me more comfortable to believe they have just cause for ranking guys higher than other guys because of all the time they put in. happens and prospects don’t work out. That’s life.

[CGD]

Anthony Black who is Jason Kidd type PG could be a perfect match for us at PG position, someone who set the tone defensively and will know how to set up Wembanyama on offense

Well he can’t shoot, so that’s something he has in common with early days Kidd.

[RC_Drunkford]

Depending on what you have to give up you take Scoot without a doubt. The guy is saying he wants to build that fanbase in San Antonio and I‘m pretty sure he views the Spurs as the best landing spot for himself in the top 5. You don’t even have to worry about him and Wemby clashing he‘s just compe ive and confident in himself.

I don’t like Anthony Black. He‘s not fast enough. Like DAF said we need a Jamal Murray type of PG. Somebody who can get to the rim and draw the defense to him to create open looks and driving lanes. And also somebody who‘s able to move off the ball for catch and shoot 3s. Defense is secondary here if you ask me

[Degoat]

Kinda interesting, not that it means anything but hoopshype has an update on the spurs page that shows Jeremy Sochan reached out to Brandin Podziemski about playing on the Polish national team together. Could see the Spurs targeting him in the draft

[Frenchfred]

I don't think that type of PG is what the Spurs are needing, imho. To me the Spurs are lacking a dynamic playmaker, a Murray to Wemby's Jokic. If everything pans out, we will have our franchise bigman (Wemby), our 3 and D guy (Vassell), our do it all glue guy that can defend 5 positions (Sochan), a secondary scoring wing with good 3pt shooting (Keldon) (although I do think Keldon might be the odd man out), we are lacking that explosive point of attack guard that can take over games.

Irving?

[Ariel]

I don't think that type of PG is what the Spurs are needing, imho. To me the Spurs are lacking a dynamic playmaker, a Murray to Wemby's Jokic. If everything pans out, we will have our franchise bigman (Wemby), our 3 and D guy (Vassell), our do it all glue guy that can defend 5 positions (Sochan), a secondary scoring wing with good 3pt shooting (Keldon) (although I do think Keldon might be the odd man out), we are lacking that explosive point of attack guard that can take over games.

I don’t like Anthony Black. He‘s not fast enough. Like DAF said we need a Jamal Murray type of PG. Somebody who can get to the rim and draw the defense to him to create open looks and driving lanes. And also somebody who‘s able to move off the ball for catch and shoot 3s. Defense is secondary here if you ask me

Actually there's a player that could be a Jamal Murray sort of player, and it's Keyonte George from Baylor. He's not very efficient as of now, but he's actually pretty skilled all around, can score from all levels, create and pass. Probably my favorite target in the late lottery/mid teens. Not my target for full time PG, but a very interesting prospect.

[Mr. Body]

Depending on what you have to give up you take Scoot without a doubt. The guy is saying he wants to build that fanbase in San Antonio and I‘m pretty sure he views the Spurs as the best landing spot for himself in the top 5. You don’t even have to worry about him and Wemby clashing he‘s just compe ive and confident in himself.

I don’t like Anthony Black. He‘s not fast enough. Like DAF said we need a Jamal Murray type of PG. Somebody who can get to the rim and draw the defense to him to create open looks and driving lanes. And also somebody who‘s able to move off the ball for catch and shoot 3s. Defense is secondary here if you ask me

I want to leave alone the Scoot stuff. Bottom line is, I don't want a tiny shoot-first combo guard taking all of Wembanyama's shots. As for Black, there are certainly concerns about his shooting, especially since he and Sochan may see a lot of the floor at the same time.

But Black was always in the lane. Even given his shooting wasn't a total threat, he was always getting in there. Partly because of his handles, partly because he's actually pretty swift and strong. His team had zero shooters and still he managed to get into the paint time and again. He drew enough fouls to shoot five free throws a game. One of his biggest attributes is that he's a lob maniac. He was getting past defenses and throwing lobs to his teammates every chance he could. That's what you want with Wembanyama.

[rascal]

I want to leave alone the Scoot stuff. Bottom line is, I don't want a tiny shoot-first combo guard taking all of Wembanyama's shots. As for Black, there are certainly concerns about his shooting, especially since he and Sochan may see a lot of the floor at the same time.

But Black was always in the lane. Even given his shooting wasn't a total threat, he was always getting in there. Partly because of his handles, partly because he's actually pretty swift and strong. His team had zero shooters and still he managed to get into the paint time and again. He drew enough fouls to shoot five free throws a game. One of his biggest attributes is that he's a lob maniac. He was getting past defenses and throwing lobs to his teammates every chance he could. That's what you want with Wembanyama.

But Black shoots a poor ft% for a pg.

[BacktoBasics]

But Black shoots a poor ft% for a pg.

That’s not a long term concern of mine. Black will likely develop into a serviceable shooter. I would be even less worried if we drafted him.

[rascal]

That’s not a long term concern of mine. Black will likely develop into a serviceable shooter. I would be even less worried if we drafted him.

Spurs will have a team full of players needing to work on their shot.

[Mr. Body]

Spurs will have a team full of players needing to work on their shot.

Black has a lot in common with Sochan. He processes the game very quickly, he's a pest on defense with very quick hands and quick reactions, he can use his size and speed very well, he can be relentless in his activity, and can make big plays on both sides of the court. Most importantly, it's easy to tell who they are by way of their hair.

But yes, they both may cap out their offensive threats from range. We'll see. Maybe you can deal with only having one of those players on your team, but they are both so smart, so dynamic, such game-changers in how they see and interact with the floor, it's more than worth the shot.

[Mr. Body]

Here is an extensive clip of Black in the pick n roll this year. He needs to improve his execution - he gets too many turnovers because he doesn't place the ball quite right sometimes - but he'll be a high level threat in these actions pretty quickly. He's making snap reads, so many correct passes.

[DAF86]

Irving?

Nah, someone that isn't bat crazy.

[BackHome]

If we really want a PG I am cool with taking Wallace who I think would be a good fit with this team - He plays defense is not a drama queen who can grow in his role with Wemby together.

[Mr. Body]

Here's my hot take: Is Cason Wallace that much better than Tre Jones?

Yes, Jones was a year older coming out, but he was better at a lot of categories (and adv. categories). Wallace is like an inch or so taller.

Here's their shooting from 3 pters in college: 1.5-4.4 vs. 1.4-3.8

First is Wallace, second is Jones.

Not a huge difference. (Jones was better.)

Would we be trying to get a guy at 8-12 who isn't actually that much better than the guy we got at 41?

[Degoat]

Here's my hot take: Is Cason Wallace that much better than Tre Jones?

Yes, Jones was a year older coming out, but he was better at a lot of categories (and adv. categories). Wallace is like an inch or so taller.

Here's their shooting from 3 pters in college: 1.5-4.4 vs. 1.4-3.8

First is Wallace, second is Jones.

Not a huge difference. (Jones was better.)

Would we be trying to get a guy at 8-12 who isn't actually that much better than the guy we got at 41?

Thats what’s brutal about going for a PG in this draft, nobody other than Scoot or Anthony Black nobody is that much better than what we have in Tre Jones, and I think Blake Wesley is a better prospect than Wallace and several of the other PGs in this draft too.

[BacktoBasics]

Black has a lot in common with Sochan. He processes the game very quickly, he's a pest on defense with very quick hands and quick reactions, he can use his size and speed very well, he can be relentless in his activity, and can make big plays on both sides of the court. Most importantly, it's easy to tell who they are by way of their hair.

But yes, they both may cap out their offensive threats from range. We'll see. Maybe you can deal with only having one of those players on your team, but they are both so smart, so dynamic, such game-changers in how they see and interact with the floor, it's more than worth the shot.

I think Black is the kinda guy who already makes players around him better. Much like Sochan. He’s not the hero we’d ever ask for but he’s the kinda guy who’d easily be the hero we need.