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It's clear Panathinaikos forced his hand. They knew the RFAs would take 7 days, so induced a deadline. That's pretty clear. Javtokas wanted to play somewhere next year, so took the contract. That's pretty easy to understand.
I think that Spurs have chhosen Elson/Butler over Javtokas because they think that :
- Elson will be better next year than Javtokas.
- Butler has more upside than Javtokas
It's clear Panathinaikos forced his hand. They knew the RFAs would take 7 days, so induced a deadline. That's pretty clear. Javtokas wanted to play somewhere next year, so took the contract. That's pretty easy to understand.
Yes, we all know you think Javtokas > Elson.
You don't need to turn it into a grand conspiracy.
Negotiations didn't work out. Both parties went in other directions.
what the is productivities? did you just make that word up?
Denver's whole team stunk it up in the playoffs, mainly due to the team giving up.
I'm glad you finally understand.
No , Sherlock. Javtokas is over. But it's stupid to defend Elson as a choice because he's 'starting caliber.' That doesn't float.
He started 54 NBA games last season.
How many did Javtokas start?
"54 games on a WC playoff team"
... with bigs Martin and Camby out for 30ish games each and Nene out all season. If those 3 had been available for 75+ games each, Elson would have been as invisible as his first years in the league.
No .
But he started 54 games.
Okay, Mr. "54 games on a WC playoff team". Color me real ing impressed.
That doesn't mean he's an NBA-starter-quality center.
He avg'd less than 2 qtrs/game, and was 5 and 5.
What were our "NBA-starter-quality centers" averaging?
Not a huge selling point for your buddy, comparing them slightly favorably with Nazr/Rash.
What were our "NBA-starter-quality centers" averaging?
Enough to get us knocked out in the 2nd round. Elson did enough to get knocked out of the 1st. Swell.
Enough to get us knocked out in the 2nd round.again! Elson would've seen the floor in the second round against Dallas.
What were you expecting out of Javtokas?
20 and 10?
Nope. But the prospect of some talent at least.
Look at Elson's playoff stats. I dare you. He never would've seen the floor in Round 2.
I'm personally not crazy about Elson.Of course the Spurs thikn he would've. Why else are we signing him?He never would've seen the floor in Round 2.
Ok, then why harsh on Javtokas so much?
Who's harshing?
He wanted more money.
We'll never know. My thoughts are, if he was given LLE-type numbers, then that was too little and the Spurs lowballed. I'll go to my grave thinking they should've gone for Jav and Butler, splitting it even. Elson might've even still been there after 7 days.
If we get Butler, who I like most of all, this is all moot.
Go to your grave?
You need another hobby. You take this way too seriously.
Little do you know I'm terminal in about three weeks.
Ah, we're all given to hyperbole on the forums...
Why do you think Butler has more upside than Javtokas? Defensively, I don't agree. Offensively, probably - but with the right coach, I think Jav could do decently. Athletically, I'd give Javtokas the edge and he's demonstrated he's willing to work hard, so I'd say he has the higher upside.
Last edited by 40 inch vertical; 07-15-2006 at 05:19 PM. Reason: punctuation
give Javtokas the EDGE?? please, hes a much better athlete than Butler.
Bulter is 21 years old, Javtokas 26.
And it's not what I think : I don't know Javtokas, Butler well enough to judge who has the most upside. I say that I think that it's what the FO think.
Jak is 26, Butler is 21, plus Butler has NBA experience.
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