Top 30 NBA Spurs (Updated every Sunday)

[ArgSpursFan]

I'm in the locker room after every home game. I've heard him say repeatedly how fatigue he gets. Last year he was getting fatigued all the time. This year he doesn't seem to have that problem.

Like I said,He played every summer since 2001,that may be one reason to be fatigue.But I don´t see why he couldn´t play 35 mins like any other Pro athlet.Is not that I know the guy since He got to S.A in 2002.
they play the local tournament and Eurogue at the same time over in europe,and he was able to do that consistently playing long amounts of mins.

[Kori Ellis]

Like I said,He played every summer since 2001,that may be one reason to be fatigue.But I don´t see why he couldn´t play 35 mins like any other Pro athlet.Is not that I know the guy since He got to S.A in 2002.
they play the local tournament and Eurogue at the same time over in europe,and he was able to do that consistently playing long amounts of mins.

Because NBA basketball is harder on his body over an 82 game season and ~20 game playoff. He can't consistently play 35 minutes in the NBA.

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm still waiting to read the post when ArgSpursFan's argument is truly revealed to be:

Ginobili > Duncan.

[timvp]

I'm still waiting to read the post when ArgSpursFan's argument is truly revealed to be:

Ginobili > Duncan.

he is too afraid that he´ll get hurt or too tired.I guess he understimate his strength+he must be too afraid his BEST playoff player don´t get to the playoffs 100 % healthy.

That knowledge has already been shared and confirmed.

[timvp]

Like I said,He played every summer since 2001,that may be one reason to be fatigue.But I don´t see why he couldn´t play 35 mins like any other Pro athlet.Is not that I know the guy since He got to S.A in 2002.
they play the local tournament and Eurogue at the same time over in europe,and he was able to do that consistently playing long amounts of mins.

Do you even follow Manu? In the Olympics, he averaged less than 30 minutes. In his four years playing with the top teams in Europe, he averaged less than 30 minutes. And yes I know those games are shorter, but there were plenty of players who averaged 35-37 minutes per game ... just not Manu.

He's a great player and I'm glad that he's on the Spurs, but one of his limitations is fatigue. He simply can't play more than 30 minutes per game for an entire NBA season. Even in the playoffs, you don't want him averaging more than 31 or 32 minutes per game.

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[whottt]

He could do it if he learned to coast at times during the game like every other G in the league does.

He must think he's a bigman or something....

[timvp]

He could do it if he learned to coast at times during the game like every other G in the league does.

He must think he's a bigman or something....

I never want Manu coasting. What makes him such a deadly player is that he plays at 100% every second he's on the floor. You take that away from Manu and you take away his iden y.

In the playoffs, if he can give 31-32 minutes playing the style he does, that's plenty. As long as 10 of those minutes come in the fourth quarter, it doesn't matter that much.

It'd be even easier, though, if the Spurs had a couple swingmen who could at least fill time. As it stands, the Spurs can either go with the worst defender in the league or a chucker who doesn't hit shots anymore.

[baseline bum]

Of course I would.let me tell you why.
I consider great players,thouse who can carry a team by them self to a tle in a playoff run,and that´s the diference between good and great players.
T-mac,Iverson or Allen,never went pass a second round playoff(not sure about allen though)and they could be great and spectacular in the ¨REGULAR SEASON¨,but in the playoffs is the time when great player step up and shine over the rest.+T-mac,Allen or Iverson,allways played 35 mins or + and shoot around 30 to 35 or + shots a game.
These guys(manu and tony)have to play on a slow half court Of.With Pop, and sometimes have to give up some scoring or mpg. or apg just to fit in the spurs sistem(which is very productive),while other players don´t ,and end up ¨looking better on and off the court¨,but Tony and Manu have showed that their numbers may not be impresive enough to be in a 1st.NBA team,or to lead the league in ppg,or apg,but they end up winning les and shining when it really counts.(playoffs,conf.finals or NBA finals)

What are you talking about? Iverson and Ray Allen played each other in the 2001 ECF, and AI carried a team of nobodies to the Finals, and handed the 01 Lakers their only defeat of the postseason when he dropped 41 on them in game 1. Was Iverson not shining when he singlehandedly brought his team from 33 down in the fourth to cut the deficit to 4 with about a minute left in game 6 of 01 the ECF in Milwaukee? Tell me when Manu or TP will ever do that.

[smeagol]

Give it up guys, Manu = God in Argentina.

[Capt Bringdown]

Gervin's one of the top NBA players of all time.
Manu's not even close to earning such an honor. I'd just like to see him play a complete season or two without getting injured.

Manu certainly does have a lot of passionate followers...I remember when some people compared him to Kobe, LOL.
I'm still waiting for him to atone for "THE FOUL," myself. More than a tad over-rated IMO.

[ArgSpursFan]

What are you talking about? Iverson and Ray Allen played each other in the 2001 ECF, and AI carried a team of nobodies to the Finals, and handed the 01 Lakers their only defeat of the postseason when he dropped 41 on them in game 1. Was Iverson not shining when he singlehandedly brought his team from 33 down in the fourth to cut the deficit to 4 with about a minute left in game 6 of 01 the ECF in Milwaukee? Tell me when Manu or TP will ever do that.

I´ll tell you when Manu did it,cause Parker has time to get even greater tham Manu,and by this I´m also answering to fromwaydowntown.
manu< Duncan,we all know that,ok?
But,who do you honestly think,carry the spurs and showed up bigger tham anybody else(including TD) in the 2005 playoffs run,and the Finals?
Ginobili doesn´t have an MVP of the Finals trophy cause Duncan is probably the best PF in history of Basketball and Manu was a nobody,so they gave it to him instead.If you think I´m wrong on this one also,well just keep telling lies to your self.

[FromWayDowntown]

I´ll tell you when Manu did it,cause Parker has time to get even greater tham Manu,and by this I´m also answering to fromwaydowntown.
manu< Duncan,we all know that,ok?'

I'm not so sure that we all know that -- until yesterday, I didn't recall knowing anyone who thought there was anyway that Manu > George Gervin.

Since your viewpoint on these things seems to differ pretty significantly from the rest of the world's, I just figured that you would eventually let us all know that you think Manu is more important to the Spurs than Duncan is.

[hater]

Manu > ICEMAN ?????




crack must be cheap in argentina

[nkdlunch]

give it up man, Gervin is easily top 25 player in NBA HISTORY. Manu or Tony would not even make top 50. More like top 100

and Gervin was playing at his highest level in San Antonio.

[1techsan]

Roy Rogers wore spurs.

I don't think Clint Eastwood did but I could be wrong.

[ArgSpursFan]

I'm not so sure that we all know that -- until yesterday, I didn't recall knowing anyone who thought there was anyway that Manu > George Gervin.

Since your viewpoint on these things seems to differ pretty significantly from the rest of the world's, I just figured that you would eventually let us all know that you think Manu is more important to the Spurs than Duncan is.

And What About the 2005 Finals MVP award?????
you didn´t answer that one.

[ArgSpursFan]

give it up man, Gervin is easily top 25 player in NBA HISTORY. Manu or Tony would not even make top 50. More like top 100

and Gervin was playing at his highest level in San Antonio.

that´s tue.but my point was that tony and manu got 2 NBA championships for the spurs.And the this is a Spurs top 30 ranking,not a personal achivement ranking.see the diference?
I´m not saying that Gervin was not better,I´m saying that he couldn´t give spurs fans what other players did.that´s why I´d put him in number 4 and not in number 3.

[ambchang]

And What About the 2005 Finals trophy?????
you didn´t answer that one.

I am pretty sure no one in their right minds would actually say Dumars, Maxwell or Worthy are better players than Barkley, Malone, Ewing and Stockton. But guess what? Dumars, Maxwell and Worthy all won the Finals MVP, essentially "carrying" their teams to the finals according to your logic, despite them being on teams with Isiah Thomas, Bird and Magic on their respective teams.
And for all the "carrying" that Manu did in the 2005 playoffs, Duncan won the MVP by outscoring, outrebounding and outshooting Manu, while being close to him in production in assists, even as a centre.
This is bordering on insanity, arguing Manu/Parker > Gervin. If you haven't done so already, figure out how dozens of posters are saying the opposite, while you are the only person who supports it. I highly doubt that you, who have admittedly said have never watched Gervin play a real game, is qualified to argue with the rest.
BTW, Bowen had as much, if not MORE to do with the Spurs winning the 2005 championship than Manu because of his defense on Ray Allen, Shaun Marion and Chauncey Billups.

[FromWayDowntown]

And What About the 2005 Finals MVP award?????
you didn´t answer that one.

Right -- you think Manu should have won the 2005 Finals MVP award and therefore he is probably greater than David Robinson and George Gervin put together.

By the way, while I'll never dispute that Manu was magnificent during the 2005 playoffs and the 2005 Finals, I will note that during that playoff run, Tim Duncan wasn't exactly shabby -- and because he was so good, he created opportunities for Manu to shine.

Given the overall numbers in the 2005 Finals, there's certainly an argument that supports giving the award to Ginobili; but, in the end, he didn't win that award -- it went to Duncan, and legitimately so -- guys who average 20.6 ppg, 14.1 rpg, 2.1 apg, and 2.1 bpg for teams that win les tend to deserve MVP awards.

[ArgSpursFan]

I am pretty sure no one in their right minds would actually say Dumars, Maxwell or Worthy are better players than Barkley, Malone, Ewing and Stockton. But guess what? Dumars, Maxwell and Worthy all won the Finals MVP, essentially "carrying" their teams to the finals according to your logic, despite them being on teams with Isiah Thomas, Bird and Magic on their respective teams.
And for all the "carrying" that Manu did in the 2005 playoffs, Duncan won the MVP by outscoring, outrebounding and outshooting Manu, while being close to him in production in assists, even as a centre.
This is bordering on insanity, arguing Manu/Parker > Gervin. If you haven't done so already, figure out how dozens of posters are saying the opposite, while you are the only person who supports it. I highly doubt that you, who have admittedly said have never watched Gervin play a real game, is qualified to argue with the rest.
BTW, Bowen had as much, if not MORE to do with the Spurs winning the 2005 championship than Manu because of his defense on Ray Allen, Shaun Marion and Chauncey Billups.

Easy,the US proud is bigger tham the TRUTH I guess

[FromWayDowntown]

Easy,the US proud is bigger tham the TRUTH I guess

So the truth that the entire United States of America won't accept is that Manu Ginobili is a greater basketball player and more important to the history of the Spurs than George Gervin -- is that it?

[101A]

I just looked it up in the Argentinian Webster's:

Owner = FWDT

[ambchang]

Easy,the US proud is bigger tham the TRUTH I guess

And the truth is Ginibili not winning Finals MVP = Ginobili "carrying" the Spurs to the championship?
You still haven't answered whether Maxwell, Dumars and Worthy > Barkley, Malone, Stockton and Ewing.
So Argentina doesn't have any senseless pride in her players, right ......
BTW, find another Argentinian on this board who would say Manu > Gervin, I doubt you can find one who is as blind.

[powerpower]

I am pretty sure no one in their right minds would actually say Dumars, Maxwell or Worthy are better players than Barkley, Malone, Ewing and Stockton. But guess what? Dumars, Maxwell and Worthy all won the Finals MVP, essentially "carrying" their teams to the finals according to your logic, despite them being on teams with Isiah Thomas, Bird and Magic on their respective teams.
And for all the "carrying" that Manu did in the 2005 playoffs, Duncan won the MVP by outscoring, outrebounding and outshooting Manu, while being close to him in production in assists, even as a centre.
This is bordering on insanity, arguing Manu/Parker > Gervin. If you haven't done so already, figure out how dozens of posters are saying the opposite, while you are the only person who supports it. I highly doubt that you, who have admittedly said have never watched Gervin play a real game, is qualified to argue with the rest.
BTW, Bowen had as much, if not MORE to do with the Spurs winning the 2005 championship than Manu because of his defense on Ray Allen, Shaun Marion and Chauncey Billups.

wow this is ridiculous!!! how can u even say that...manu was great defensively and offensively .GINOBILI WAS THE MAIN REASON SPURS WON A 3RD LE

[FromWayDowntown]

wow this is ridiculous!!! how can u even say that...manu was great defensively and offensively .GINOBILI WAS THE MAIN REASON SPURS WON A 3RD LE

Ginobili was a BIG reason the Spurs won a 3rd le; I'd dispute that he was the main reason, but there's no doubt that they probably don't win the le without Ginobili's 20 ppg during that playoff run and his huge games in Denver, at home against Seattle, and at home against Detroit.

Of course, the Spurs probably don't win the le that year if Robert Horry doesn't stick that 3 in Game 5, no matter what Duncan or Ginobili did.