WTC Steel Beams Found

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[01Snake]

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BAHAHAHA

So there was a second Spitter??

[Viva Las Espuelas]

[ChumpDumper]

Why do you refuse to say what you think?

What the is wrong with you people?

[Dan Rather]

Cool. I found In Plane Sight on Demonoid. There's no seeders though. It's showing that it'll complete in 2 days. Oh well.

BitLord and eMule have many seeders.

[ChumpDumper]

WTF? You can download it from Google Video and watch it on their player in five minutes.

[Party Girl]

This Chump Dumper guy has talent he really knows how to push buttons.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

BitLord and eMule have many seeders.

Those are Bit Torrent Clients. Where are the torrents?

[=RTM=]

Quote:

Originally Posted by VIVA_LAS_ESPUELAS



Cool. I found In Plane Sight on Demonoid. There's no seeders though. It's showing that it'll complete in 2 days. Oh well.

That is not that slow, I waited 5 days to see Blood Diamond

Let me know when you see the movie I have a few questions about it. Your going to like the film they seem to be very open minded and they don't try to bash anyone or talk about things that are not true in some sort of way.

[=RTM=]

Those are Bit Torrent Clients. Where are the torrents?

You want the links?

Chump has a point about you can just watch them with Google

http://video.google.com/videosearch?...-8&sa=N&tab=wv

[=RTM=]

WTF? You can download it from Google Video and watch it on their player in five minutes.

That does not take 5 minutes and if your PC was that fast? you would be working for NORAD.

[dirk4mvp.]

WTF? You can download it from Google Video and watch it on their player in five minutes.

Then why have you not seen the film yet?

[Phenomanul]

Though there are many serious questions and mysteries yet to be answered on the tragic events of September 11, 2001.... there are also many 9/11 conspiracy arguments which have been shreddred to bits... and by actual experts (Civil engineers, Mechanical engineers, Fire Chiefs, Physicists, Metallurgical gurus, Architects, etc...).

I don't understand why many of the conspiracy theorists continue to use those flawed arguments and then expect serious responses in return. In fact, many of the conspiracy arguments that initially surfaced were rash conclusions based on analyses of limited evidence, or from contextual opinions relayed from 'eye-witness' accounts - some more credible than others. They were hardly thought out, or 'irrefutable'... so even when it appears that much thought went into the formulation of an argument... key engineering principles are ignored (blatantly or ignorantly - you decide). The continued use of those arguments therefore deflates their movement and detracts our attention away from the more important issues at hand.

[ChumpDumper]

That does not take 5 minutes and if your PC was that fast? you would be working for NORAD.

Ten, and I've got cheap ass DSL.

Then why have you not seen the film yet?

I saw it, then saw the video I linked that blew it out of the water in thirty seconds and read a couple of more sites that finished it off.

Done and done.

So, what do you think happened?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Though there are many serious questions and mysteries yet to be answered on the tragic events of September 11, 2001.... there are also many 9/11 conspiracy arguments which have been shreddred to bits... and by actual experts (Civil engineers, Mechanical engineers, Fire Chiefs, Physicists, Metallurgical gurus, Architects, etc...).

I don't understand why many of the conspiracy theorists continue to use those flawed arguments and then expect serious responses in return. In fact, many of the conspiracy arguments that initially surfaced were rash conclusions based on analyses of limited evidence, or from contextual opinions relayed from 'eye-witness' accounts - some more credible than others. They were hardly thought out, or 'irrefutable'... so even when it appears that much thought went into the formulation of an argument... key engineering principles are ignored (blatantly or ignorantly - you decide). The continued use of those arguments therefore deflates their movement and detracts our attention away from the more important issues at hand.

So lets just ask the original hegamboa: Do you think building seven collapsed the way the government told us it collapsed, or do you think otherwise?

[Nbadan]

9/11 Truth: What Happened to WTC Building 7

[Nbadan]

The Science of WTC 7 Collapse

[ChumpDumper]

Why would anyone give a about the other buildings surrounding WTC7 and therefore desire to control the collapse so carefully? Why haven't any of the firemen who "knew" the building was going to be imploded come forward since then? Furthermore, all anyone would have to do is damage it so it would be condemned to get the insurance money -- the debris and the fires took care of that.

And from where did Silverstien launch his cruise missile at the Pentagon? His yacht?

[PixelPusher]

The Science of WTC 7 Collapse

Once again, the next 9/11 conspiracy theorist I meet who has a degree in structural engineering will be the first.

[ChumpDumper]

Gee, I wonder why no one in the M$M got the story from the firemen there.

Oh wait -- they did.

I just remember that's when I started seeing
all the guys coming in from home, all the guys from the
company and we actually -- everybody from this house, we
stuck together and we actually from there, a little
bit of time, maybe an hour or so, they actually started
telling us to go here, go there. They moved us from one spot,
they moved us on to Vesey again. Because then they were
worried about -- we actually searched the Verizon building,
because there was reports of fires in there. Basically our
whole house searched that building.

They told us to get out of there because they were
worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it,
coming down. We were up on the upper floors of the Verizon
building looking at it. You could just see the whole bottom
corner of the building was gone. We could look right out over
to where the Trade Centers were because we were that high up.
Looking over the smaller buildings. I just remember it was
tremendous, tremendous fires going on.

Finally they pulled us out. They said all right,
get out of that building because that 7, they were really
worried about. They pulled us out of there and then they
regrouped everybody on Vesey Street, between the water and
West Street. They put everybody back in there.

Finally it did come down. From there - this is much
later on in the day, because every day we were
so worried about that building we didn't really want to
get people close. They were trying to limit the amount
of people that were in there. Finally it did come down.
That's when they let the guys go in. I just remember we
started searching around all the rigs.

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...ki_Richard.txt

Wait, there's more!

The most important operational decision to be made that
afternoon was the collapse had damaged 7 World Trade
Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey
between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very
heavy fire on many floors and I [not Silverstien????] ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we
had to give up some rescue operations that were going on
at the time and back the people away far enough so that if
7 World Trade did collapse, we wouldn't lose any more
people.

We continued to operate on what we could from
that distance and approximately an hour and a half after
that order was giver., at 5:30 in the afternoon, World
Trade Center collapsed completely

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...gro_Daniel.txt

Not done yet!

Then we found out, I guess around 3:00 [o'clock], that they thought 7 was going to collapse. So, of course, [we've] got guys all in this pile over here and the main concern was get everybody out, and I guess it took us over an hour and a half, two hours to get everybody out of there. (Q. Initially when you were there, you had said you heard a few Maydays?) Oh, yes. We had Maydays like crazy.... The heat must have been tremendous. There was so much [expletive] fire there. This whole pile was burning like crazy. Just the heat and the smoke from all the other buildings on fire, you [couldn't] see anything. So it took us a while and we ended up backing everybody out, and [that's] when 7 collapsed.... Basically, we fell back for 7 to collapse, and then we waited a while and it got a lot more organized, I would guess.

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...an_William.txt

Had enough? I knew you didn't.

A little north of Vesey I said, we’ll go down, let’s see what’s going on. A couple of the other officers and I were going to see what was going on. We were told to go to Greenwich and Vesey and see what’s going on. So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good.

But they had a hoseline operating. Like I said, it was hitting the sidewalk across the street, but eventually they pulled back too. Then we received an order from Fellini, we’re going to make a move on 7. That was the first time really my stomach tightened up because the building didn’t look good. I was figuring probably the standpipe systems were shot. There was no hydrant pressure. I wasn’t really keen on the idea. Then this other officer I’m standing next to said, that building doesn’t look straight. So I’m standing there. I’m looking at the building. It didn’t look right, but, well, we’ll go in, we’ll see.

So we gathered up rollups and most of us had masks at that time. We headed toward 7. And just around we were about a hundred yards away and Butch Brandies came running up. He said forget it, nobody’s going into 7, there’s creaking, there are noises coming out of there, so we just stopped. And probably about 10 minutes after that, Visconti, he was on West Street, and I guess he had another report of further damage either in some basements and things like that, so Visconti said nobody goes into 7, so that was the final thing and that was abandoned.

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/9.../gz/boyle.html

Funny how none of them mentions the building was going to be brought down by explosives.

[Nbadan]

You want firemen who witnessed explosions before the collapse?

What Happened To Building 7? Part 2

The whole video is interesting, but go to 5.35 for firemen and secondary explosions

[ChumpDumper]

Gee, high rise buildings on fire for hours, that have electrical transformers and diesel backup generators in them -- Nothing could possibly explode in there, could it?

[ChumpDumper]

Thank God you got a Theology professor as an expert on building demolition.

[Nbadan]

I won't even go into the mathematical improbability of 3 building collapsing a near free fall speed. Believe what you want, but there is a greater probability of Dubya's surge working in Iraq than the manner in which these building collapsed happening without a demolition, even if they did sustain enough structural damage.

[sabar]

How are all the armchair scientists doing today?
Still pretending that you can apply "common sense" to structural engineering to create elaborate conspiracy theories eh?

Where's the Bad Astronomy (http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html) version of 9/11? You know, written by someone that actually knows what they are talking about?

I could stand in front of a video camera and pretend I know what I'm talking about too. I could go to google.com and type in "melting point of steel" then type "structural fire burning temperature" and bam, instant conspiracy theory. Of course I know structural engineering is much much more complex and involves heavy physics and high end calculus to actually determine these things.

But of course, being logical makes too much sense now a days.