I actually like Cuban I wish there were more owners like him.
I like him too but I sometimes think he shouldn't be so vocal right by the Mavs bench. Dirk mentioned this after the playoffs last season but then it was weird because this season Terry talked about how they were way down in a game on the road and Cuban kept encouraging them to hang in there. I just don't think he should target the officials so much when he's at the game, otherwise, he's an awesome owner and backs up his team.
There is no wrong or right in this argument. Stern was willing to give up his feud with Cuban and let him have his championship. How ridiculous the officiating was in Games 3 and 4 of the SA series was proof of it. Stern thought to himself maybe if we let the Mavs win one, Cuban will finally be humble and classy.
But what happens? They're up 2-0 on Miami and Cuban goes on Letterman, acts like the series is over, makes fun of Nash for no reason, makes fun of Pat Riley...
I think Stern pretty much lost it after that and the refereeing was much different from that point on. If Cubes had just shut his yap, the Mavs would have had a ring last year.
cuban is a classless .... i wonder how long before he realizes hes a owner and not a fan
I like Cuban. But Dr. Buss is the best owner by far.
haha, worst conspiracy theory evah'...i love how spurs fans who believe this load of crap don't wanna talk about games 1,2, 5, 6, 7 and the fact that Tim Duncan went to the line more than any other player on the court in that series
Last edited by ponky; 02-10-2007 at 07:50 PM.
wow, fillmoe still obsessing over the mavericks, even when his team is on a win streak...he must know it's fool's gold
who gives? he knows how to build a winner. better than the kings got brothers.
Heat fans live in the past the most. Because their team sucks this year all they say is their the champs. well their not playing like it and not doing a good job defending it. just hoping they make the playoffs. this a new year. stop living in the past.
Can you blame them? They know they won't get a league assisted championship this year.
Kind of like when Mavs fans tell us to quit living in the past and then brag about beating us last year, which, oh wow, happens to be in the past! Kind of like that?
yeah, kind of like that...either way, doesn't make it right dumbass
I didn't say it did, DUMBASS. Haha, jk.
Thought everyone might like to read this. I found it on another forum. What do you all think about this?
Posted by Whipit:
This is getting passed around and someone sent it to me this morning. Comments re Wade from around the league -
"He gets all the calls, that's what makes him special.'' - Gerald Wallace
"It's unbelievable what he gets away with.'' - Bob Hill
"I can't believe he has the audacity to complain to the refs, he should be grateful for what they've done for him in his career. He is what he is today because of them." - P.J. Brown
"He travels on that spin move," Jackson said. "He picks up that pivot foot... everybody knows it. Dwayne Wade can cover so much ground when he makes that move. As you know, he can go 20 feet with that spin move and get to the basket." - Phil Jackson
SportsNation Chris Sheridan: (12:40 PM ET ) You're preaching to the choir here, Oliver. every single night D-Wade gets three gift whistles (which even LeBron and Kobe don't get) at a minimum, and one or two late whistles, too. He's treated as preferrentially as Jordan was at the peak of his game, and it is infuriating to watch (unless you're a Heat fan). And I say all that being one of the biggest D-Wade guys around, a Marquette grad even. But it's just plain unfair to see one guy get such special treatment. It takes away from the game.
Marc Stein on Galloway & Co (1/30)
"No question about it that you definitely hear-- I've heard it from executives, I've heard it from coaches, that you just can't touch this guy[Wade]... but you know, the fact that players bring this up in games... I would say yeah it's a definite topic."
"Does Wade get calls that nobody else gets? Does he go to the line too much? Yes, no question."
"You can't do nothing to D-Wade. If you say 'boogety-boogety boo' to him, that's a foul. If you give him a hard look, that's a foul." -Rasheed Wallace
(He also comically took shots and flopped over acting injured. I'm not even joking. Link below)
Tracy McGrady went so far as to say the NBA finals might have been rigged in a radio interview the foul calls were so obviously in Miami's favor.
Sources:
Rasheed:
http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archiv...-thats-a-foul/
Gerald Wallace:
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlot...rlotte_bobcats
Bob Hill: http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/co...e/15995105.htm
Phil Jackson: http://www.latimes.com/sports/basket...iewed-homepage
'Sheed: http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/c...k.275f21f.html
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=537427
sheridan:
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog...sheridan_chris
Mark Stein:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...o+%281%2F30%29 (I can’t find a direct link to the podcast mp3 where he says this, but a google search shows it’s there).
Tracy McGrady's thoughts on Wade: http://odeo.com/audio/1597802/view
http://www.blogmaverick.com/2007/02/...wade-a-leader/ (Cubans recent comments)
These satirical articles from nbadraft.net and the brushback also do a good job of illustrating how the players and media around the league feel about Wade.
http://www.thebrushback.com/Archives/classy_full.htm
http://www.nbadraft.net/prevenas066.asp
http://dwil.wordpress.com/tag/nba-mentions/dwyane-wade/ (not so much satire as it is more of the same about the egregious calls Wade gets away with).
It's obvious (particularly after listening to Stein's comments) that the players and coaches around the league feel that Wade is receiving some biased/unfair treatment. On sports forums all over the net debates about Wade's preferential treatment routinely start up before and after games. , if you look at the statistics from last years finals something alarming comes up (here are the leaders in FTA per game for both teams from 1998 to 2006):
2006 NBAFINALS
Wade - 16.2
Dirk - 9.0
2005 NBAFINALS
Duncan - 7.7
Billups - 6.3
2004 NBAFINALS
Shaq - 11.0
Billups 8.4
2003 NBAFINALS
Duncan - 9.0
Kidd/Jefferson/Martin - 4.0
2002 NBAFINALS
Shaq - 14.5
Martin - 6.5
2001 NBAFINALS
Shaq - 15.2
Iverson - 9.6
2000 NBAFINALS
Shaq - 15.5
Miller - 6.7
1999 NBAFINALS
Robinson - 9.6
Duncan - 9.0
1998 NBAFINALS
Jordan - 11.6
Malone - 8.0
Now what can we deduct from all this? You'd have to go back to 1998 to find the last guard to ever averaged double-digit FTA in Michael Jordan in the FINALS. Even still, Wade has about 5 more FTA than Jordan which nearly equates to 2 or 3 more Fouls given. The only one remotely close in FTA to Wade is Shaq in his Prime years. It's obvious why Shaq got that many freethrows, he was a complete monster in the Post and teams often employed the Hack-a-Shaq to slow him down. In Game 2 of the 2000 NBA FINALS, Shaq got 39 FTA in which he only made 18.
And yet Wade still averaged more FTA per game.
The argument Wade proponents have is that he is being "aggressive" and is the most aggressive player in the Finals. Umm no. Wade isn't anymore aggressive than Jordan, Shaq, Duncan, Iverson or any other superstar that has ever played in the FINALS. It's ridiculous that Wade got more FTA than post players like Shaq, Duncan or Robinson. It's also ludicrous for a guard to EVER get 16.2 FTA while averaging 36.5 ppg. Shows you where a chunk of the points came from.
In case you missed all that: It's all about the freethrows. Wade isn't all that great of a basketball player (although he is certainly good), but when the refs will call a foul on the opposing player if he merely BREATH's in your direction there's a problem. Wade gets the kind of calls Jordan got in his prieme-MORE actually-and he's a 4th year guard.
Wade isn't a superstar player, he's a MANUFACTURED superstar courtesy of the refs. Put me on the line 11 times a game and I'd be an NBA star as well. Wades ppg to FTA per game ratio is one of if not THE most lopsided in NBA history, and that isn't even taking into account all of the non-shooting/blocking fouls he gets per game. 1 in every of 5 his shot attempts see's the refs putting him on the line.
Maybe there's a logical explanation for this, but regardless of what that is more attention needs to be brought to this issue, if only to rectify the problem and assure that the integrity of the game isn't being compromised in an effort to create the "next Jordan."
Last edited by Kori Ellis; 02-11-2007 at 02:01 AM. Reason: you can't post links to unauthorized copyrighted NBA video here
That's a great pic too.
I can't understand how the Mavs fans can go on and on and on and on and on and on about how Wade doesn't deserve fouls when it was statistically shown that he does, and with pictorial proof that he, indeed, was fouled, and then turn around and validate all the fouls that Dirk gets without putting up any proof.
BTW, statistically speaking, Dirk ranked only 16th in the 2006 playoffs under the "favouritism by refs" category, Manu 15th, and Wade something in the 20's.
Found this on ESPN's board. Pretty funny.
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/7440/waderefse2.jpg
looks at mavs trophy case one more time.............
s about as empty as your head
looks like the kings trophy case too
unless y'all framed this pic and stuck it in there.
kings championships = 1
mav s championships = 0
LEARN SOMETHING!
So am I allowed to brag about the Colts '71 Super Bowl 'ship also?
go right ahead......
Who gives a about a kings championship that happened so long time ago that you don't even remember the players.
Could not have said it better myself Dirk is not a Champion when the chips are down until he proves otherwise.
LMFAO at fillmoe...go preach to the celtics fans, i'm sure they are patting themselves on the back right now for winning all those championships back in the day...makes the 17 game losing streak feel like a holiday...fillmoe's the only reason anybody here remembers his *surging* team
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