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    That quote seems REALLY over the top. I know I haven't been in high school in ten years, but I can't imagine high school students being THAT harsh in class.
    Seriously? That seems light compared to what I know high school kids are capable of. And if no one else is going to say that it is understandable that someone can snap after a good deal of hatered is piled on them, I will. Thats not to say what he did is justified, but understanding how people have breaking points that can be reached is not justifying their actions.

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    the mind of a killer-


    gone wrong and thats no lie
    shame 33 had to in die,

    but now the fool dead,
    no worries left,
    but tree duzzen families
    left all bereft

    didn't like the fact,
    that's a brutha on his chick,
    got his in ammo,
    prepared for the click, click, click,

    sent his vid-eo to nbc,
    wanted to leave a in legacy
    about a man, with uh kids mind,
    couldn't escape, so he left it all behind

    and took out as many as he could,
    it's not his fault he's just misunderstood,
    chain the doe's, attach the locks,
    take a deep breath and load the glocks,

    these rich mutha fukkas, they's gots it min,
    i'm eating ramin and ing slummin,
    tired of this , but i won't pout,
    i walk the walk, take all you punks out

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    Once more of his past is revealed--about his family, the runs ins with different people who saw him as crazy or potentially dangerous, his behavior--I hope people will come to realize that what he did--which isn't justifiable at all--was just as forseeable and preventable as it was unjustifiable, irrational, and sick.

    The people who never said anything, or took it him seriously enough SHOULD feel guilty. We should all take more of a part in the "life guarding" aspect of reporting a killer, or a potential one, who has shown clear signs of hoiw should I say it...strangeness beyond normal strangeness

    By now people should definitely realize what could happen, and how we can play a huge part in preventing it...

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    Once more of his past is revealed--about his family, the runs ins with different people who saw him as crazy or potentially dangerous, his behavior--I hope people will come to realize that what he did--which isn't justifiable at all--was just as forseeable and preventable as it was unjustifiable, irrational, and sick.

    The people who never said anything, or took it him seriously enough SHOULD feel guilty. We should all take more of a part in the "life guarding" aspect of reporting a killer, or a potential one, who has shown clear signs of hoiw should I say it...strangeness beyond normal strangeness

    By now people should definitely realize what could happen, and how we can play a huge part in preventing it...
    But what exactly is "strangeness beyond normal strangeness"? How is anyone supposed to tell what is going "beyond" and what isn't?

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    But what exactly is "strangeness beyond normal strangeness"? How is anyone supposed to tell what is going "beyond" and what isn't?
    never talking to a roommate in 9 months, stalking girls and writing questions marks on doors etc. you should waatch what his creative writing teacher had to say about him. He wasn't just quiet or shy, he was mean and full of hate and had multiple personality disorders--unlike just having social anxiety, or depression he def. had a combination of things which allowed him to not only live in isolation for so long and not be socially active because of paranoia (which is a part of SA) but also to have no remorse.

    His parents should have detected something wrong in all of his 23 years--even if he was just a little but socially deviative.

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    That said, I also believe a person can have his reasons to become a killer. I'm not trying to justify his actions and be the devil's advocate. I'm only saying that he might have some explanations to why he did it.
    I COULD be a killer IF I was dumber, IF I didn't have anything to live for, IF I had easy acess to weapons and IF I didn't have any good-sense (I think americans call it common sense). I have already been through some stressfull situations in school and high-school (bullying) and I must say that when one is pushed to his limits, one is capable of doing extraordinary or horrible things. I've been there before but I didn't do anything extreme and stupid, maybe because I lacked the courage or the stupidity. But I did have the wishes to do justice with my own hands (this is a true reason to believe that I could be a potential killer, if only I was more stupid).


    I also believe that most of these sociopaths killers are actually products of society. As I said before, a normal person can do really stupid things when pushed to his limits. Just imagine what a crazy person can do when irritated. Bad things happen when people bully the wrong guy (I don't know if this is the case, I'm just considering the hypothesy). I'm assuming he was at least a little bit crazy, either that or he was really really stupid and evil. If he is only a bad guy and not crazy at all, then he did deserved worst things than a simple and coward death.
    .

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    I have to say, I find it disturbing that you use the word "stupid" more than any other to describe this guy and his actions. "normal people can do stupid things"? Stupidity seems to be this guy's primary flaw to you. Only toward the end do you manage to slip in the word "evil" - which I would say is this guys primary problem. Other appropriate adjectives to describe Cho and his actions would be "brutal" "savage" "cruel" "hateful" and "barbaric". He has committed a horrible, grisly crime, terrorizing a campus and taking 32 innocent lives. I just can't get over your post and how the word 'stupid' seems to sum it all up for you.

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    Bomb threats in Cali/Michigan
    Kid brings gun to school and kills self after threatening others and cop confrontation. North Carolina.
    Threats in New Jersey
    Threats in Florida.
    Threats in Montana. (of all places)
    Oregon-homemade bomb detonated in a hallway trashcan.
    Threats in Tennessee
    Boston
    Bomb threat in Minnesota

    Forget exactly where, but the news said that 2 teens were arrested in school and had guns and extra ammunition in their lockers or cars.

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    Great Spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. Fernando TD21's Avatar
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    I have to say, I find it disturbing that you use the word "stupid" more than any other to describe this guy and his actions. "normal people can do stupid things"? Stupidity seems to be this guy's primary flaw to you. Only toward the end do you manage to slip in the word "evil" - which I would say is this guys primary problem. Other appropriate adjectives to describe Cho and his actions would be "brutal" "savage" "cruel" "hateful" and "barbaric". He has committed a horrible, grisly crime, terrorizing a campus and taking 32 innocent lives. I just can't get over your post and how the word 'stupid' seems to sum it all up for you.
    I don't really understand what's the problem with me using the word stupid. If you haven't noticed yet, english is not my primary language. I'm sorry if I don't have a great vocabulary and I don't know many words to describe that.
    I never said that stupidity is his primary flaw. What I said or at least what I tried to say in my previous post is that the guy was probably mentally ill. I don't know why the word stupid seens wrong to you, but for me it means that the guy wasn't able to make (right or good) decisions very well.

    Unlike other people that seens to know the guy very well, I didn't know the guy at all. So I won't say that he was just pure evil unless someone who used to know him says that. By saying this, I'M NOT SAYING THAT HE WAS A NICE GUY.

    I'll try to learn better words to describe these kind of bad characteristics, until then please replace the word stupid for anything that you think is more apropriate. I think it's stupid or re ed to find disturbing the fact that I can't find the perfect word to describe something bad.

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    Great Spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. Fernando TD21's Avatar
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    I just read this (sorry if it was already posted):
    Liviu Librescu was a Romanian-born aeronautical engineer who died in Monday's massacre at Virginia Tech University in Blacksburg, Virginia. Librescu, an engineering and math professor at the school for over 20 years, saved the lives of students by using his body to barricade a classroom door before he was murdered. His son, Joe Librescu, told reporters on Tuesday that his mother, Marlena Librescu, received e-mails from students shortly after learning of her husband's death. "My father blocked the doorway with his body and asked the students to flee," said Joe Librescu. "Students started opening windows and jumping out." , student Richard Mallalieu told the police, "I don't think my teacher got out."

    The heroism of Liviu Librescu was the final act in the life of a man who resisted brutality across two centuries. The 76-year old Holocaust survivor was born in Romania in 1931, eight years before the Nazi invasion of Poland that ignited World War II. When Librescu was a boy, Romania allied itself with Nazi Germany and subjected Jewish families such as Librescu's to the cruelties of anti-Semitism. During World War II, Liviu Librescu was imprisoned at a labor camp in Transnistria and then deported along with his family and thousands of other Jews to a ghetto in the Romanian city of Focsani. According to a report compiled by the Romanian government in 2004, between 280,000 and 380,000 Jews were killed by Romania's Nazi-allied regime.

    In the aftermath of World War II, Liviu Librescu was trapped behind the Iron Curtain that descended over Eastern Europe. In 1953, he earned an M.S. in aeronautical engineering from Bucharest's Polytechnic University. He then secured a position with Romania's state-run aerospace agency, where he studied aeroelasticity and unsteady aerodynamics. In 1969, Librescu earned a Ph.D. in fluid mechanics from the Academy of Sciences of Romania. The 1975 publication of "Elastostatics and kinetics of anisotropic and heterogeneous s -type structures" marked a high-point in Librescu's career; however, he was ultimately punished when he refused to swear allegiance to Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu.

    During the 1970s, Liviu Librescu requested permission to move to Israel, an act of defiance which cost him his job. After enduring years of government refusals, he finally received permission to leave Romania in 1978. In Israel, Librescu served as Professor of Aeronautical and Mechanical Engineering at Tel Aviv University and the Haifa Technion. In 1984, he traveled to Virginia, where he planned to spend a one-year sabbatical but instead built a new life.

    As a professor at Virginia Tech, Liviu Librescu published over 1000 papers and received numerous awards for his work. He served as a member on the editorial board of 7 scientific journals and was invited as a guest editor of special issues of five other journals. His publications include "Random Vibration and Reliability of Composite Structures", "Thin-Walled Composite Beams: Theory and Application", and "Non-Classical Problems of the Theory and Behavior of Structures Exposed to Complex Environmental Conditions". Professor Nicolae Serban Tomescu, a former colleague, remembers Librescu as "strong and dignified" with "a huge affection for his students".

    "His work", explains Joe Librescu, "was his life".
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    Props to that teacher who acted like a true hero on that tragic day.

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    Waleed Shaalan, a 32-year-old graduate student, came to the United States from northern Egypt last year to study engineering. He lived among other Egyptian students in Blacksburg, Va., and was planning on bringing his wife and one-and-a-half-year-old son to America in May to live with him.

    He was gunned down on Monday while he was studying in Norris Hall, but witnesses say he died a hero.

    According to Randy Dymond, a civil engineering professor at Virginia Tech, Mr. Shaalan was in a classroom with another student when the gunman entered and opened fire.

    Mr. Shaalan was badly wounded and lay beside the other student, who was not shot but played dead, as the gunman returned two times searching for signs of life. Just as the gunman noticed the student, Mr. Shaalan made a move to distract him, at which point he was shot a second time and died. The student believed that Mr. Shaalan purposefully distracted the shooter to save him, Mr. Dymond said.

    "Waleed was bright, energetic and caring," Mr. Dymond said. "The reason we are in higher education is because there are students who are the bright light to the future. Waleed was one of them."

    Equally social and studious, Mr. Shaalan was active in the Muslim Student Association at Virginia Tech, and he especially enjoyed participating in the group's community activities.

    The Egyptian Consul has notified Mr.Shalaan's wife and parents, all of who live in Egypt. Mr. Shaalan's body will be flown back to his country in the near future, the vice consul, Mohamed Elghazawy, said.

    "This is a very emotional time for his entire family, but especially his mother and father," Mr. Elghazawy said.
    http://topics.nytimes.com/top/refere...lan/index.html

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    Seriously? That seems light compared to what I know high school kids are capable of. And if no one else is going to say that it is understandable that someone can snap after a good deal of hatered is piled on them, I will. Thats not to say what he did is justified, but understanding how people have breaking points that can be reached is not justifying their actions.
    "Go back to China" is not only light, but unbelievable. In high school, that would be the equivalent of saying, "shut up poopie face".

    I always thought that bullying died down as you got older, because you could just ignore it. In elementary, I'd see kids get pushed and have their lunches knocked over. In middle school, you'd see a fight every now and then and have rumors spread through school. But in high school, you'd see a fight occassionally, but not because of bullying, it was usually somebody was messing around with someones gf or bf and started. If this kid snapped from being ignored or "bullied", he did have something wrong with him.

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    this guy had a mission.

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    "Go back to China" is not only light, but unbelievable. In high school, that would be the equivalent of saying, "shut up poopie face".

    I always thought that bullying died down as you got older, because you could just ignore it. In elementary, I'd see kids get pushed and have their lunches knocked over. In middle school, you'd see a fight every now and then and have rumors spread through school. But in high school, you'd see a fight occassionally, but not because of bullying, it was usually somebody was messing around with someones gf or bf and started. If this kid snapped from being ignored or "bullied", he did have something wrong with him.
    When someone kills that many people, something being wrong with them is probably assumed.

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    That quote seems REALLY over the top. I know I haven't been in high school in ten years, but I can't imagine high school students being THAT harsh in class.
    Why not? High schools are filled with people who have nothing to lose, and who don't care about themselves, or anyone else... especially in freshman and sop re years before people can drop out. I've seen insecure pricks do way worse to outcasts in high school.

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    http://www.comcast.net/news/index.js...ml&cvqh=itn_vt
    Va. Tech Gunman's Family Feels 'Lost'

    By ALLEN G. BREED, Associated Press Writers

    3 hours ago

    BLACKSBURG, Va. - Some have called him a loner, but Sun-Kyung Cho says her younger brother was quiet and reserved. She grew up with Seung-Hui Cho, but now says she feels as if she no longer knows him.

    From afar, she learned her brother was the gunman who went on a rampage at Virginia Tech, killing 32 people before committing suicide to cap the deadliest shooting rampage in modern U.S. history.

    Now, with her parents, she is "living a nightmare."

    "We are humbled by this darkness," Sun-Kyung Cho said in a statement issued Friday to The Associated Press. "We feel hopeless, helpless and lost."

    It was the Chos' first public comment since Monday's massacre. Raleigh, N.C., lawyer Wade Smith provided the statement to the AP after the Cho family reached out to him. Smith said the family would not answer any questions, and neither would he.

    "I actually feel sympathy towards their family," said Virginia Tech freshman Andrea Hacker, 19. "A lot of people are probably looking down on them now, but they have no reason to."

    "It's gotta be tragic for them as well. They're going through just as much grief as we are, plus the added pressure of having a brother do this."

    The family's statement was issued during a statewide day of mourning for the victims. Silence fell across the Virginia Tech campus at noon and bells tolled in churches nationwide in memory of the victims.

    At Blacksburg Presbyterian Church, a memorial service was held for Kevin Granata, a 45-year-old engineering science and mechanics professor.

    Some 600 people packed the pews and stood along the walls while friends described Granata as a devoted father to three children, a beloved professor, a world-class researcher and a humble man of good humor.

    "It's a hard day, but a day of trying to celebrate his life and his legacy," said Pastor Alex Evans.

    Several memorial services are planned for Saturday, including Emily Hilscher and resident adviser Ryan Clark _ Cho's first two victims.

    "We pray for their families and loved ones who are experiencing so much excruciating grief. And we pray for those who were injured and for those whose lives are changed forever because of what they witnessed and experienced," said Sun-Kyung Cho, a 2004 Princeton University graduate who works as a contractor for a State Department office that oversees American aid for Iraq.

    "Each of these people had so much love, talent and gifts to offer, and their lives were cut short by a horrible and senseless act."

    Authorities are in frequent contact with Cho's family, but have not placed them in protective custody, said Assistant FBI Director Joe Persichini, who oversees the bureau's local Washington office. Authorities believe they remain in the Washington area, but are staying with friends and relatives.

    Persichini said the FBI and Fairfax County Police have assured Cho's parents that they will investigate any hate crimes directed at the family if and when they ever return to their Centreville home.

    Cho's sister said her family will cooperate fully and "do whatever we can to help authorities understand why these senseless acts happened. We have many unanswered questions as well."

    Cho's name was given as "Cho Seung-Hui" by police and school officials earlier this week. But the South Korean immigrant family said their preference was "Seung-Hui Cho." Many Asian immigrant families Americanize their names by reversing them and putting their surnames last.

    While Cho clearly was seething and had been taken to a psychiatric hospital more than a year ago as a threat to himself, investigators are still trying to establish exactly what set him off, why he chose a dormitory and a classroom building for the rampage and how he selected his victims.

    "The why and the how are the crux of the investigation," Virginia State Police spokeswoman Corinne Geller said. "The why may never be determined because the person responsible is deceased."

    During the campus memorial, hundreds of somber students and area residents, most wearing the school's maroon and orange, stood with heads bowed on the parade ground in front of Norris Hall, the classroom building where all but two of the victims died. Along with the bouquets and candles was a sign reading, "Never forgotten."

    "It's good to feel the love of people around you," said Alice Lo, a Virginia Tech graduate and friend of Jocelyne Couture-Nowak, a French instructor killed in the rampage. "With this evil, there is still goodness."

    The mourners gathered in front of stone memorials, each adorned with a basket of tulips and an American flag. There were 33 stones _ one for each victim and Cho.

    President Bush wore an orange and maroon tie in a show of support. The White House said he also asked top officials at the Justice, Health and Human Services and Education Departments to travel the country, talk to educators, mental health experts and others and compile a report on how to prevent similar tragedies.

    Seven people hurt in the rampage remained hospitalized, at least one in serious condition.

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