Stoudemire calls Spurs 'dirty' (Bruce & Manu)

[kris]

I've called out Bowen for being dirty before. For example, I think he knew what he was doing when Steve Francis landed on his foot.

But I just don't see it in this play. I don't think Bowen would risk his livelihood on something as dumb as a kick to the back of the leg. That doesn't make any sense.

If Bowen's goal is to hurt Amare, it wouldn't be that hard to flop into his microfractured knee. Just wait for any contact while Amare is around and propel yourself into the knee. That's what someone would do if they were trying to hurt Amare ... not step on the back of his shoe or whatever.

I still can't believe that of all the plays in this series, that play is getting the most run. Barbosa -- even though he probably didn't do it on purpose -- undercut Parker in a much more gruesome play. And that was after the hard and cheap foul he gave Duncan in Game 1 when he came over with his elbows out to prevent a dunk. If there is someone being reckless/dirty in this series, it's Barbosa.

--timvp

I don't think Bowen was trying to kick Amare on this play either. That wouldn't really serve any purpose other than a kick to his lower leg or shoe so maybe it stings, but no ankle sprain, etc. It does look like he awkwardly stepped to where his foot was very close to where Amare would land.

I'd like to see the play from different angles and with better definition. But, as the laundry list continues to pile, I've decided Bowenn is just a dirty player. The bad part about the reputation is in cases like this one where he may have actually been innocent, it puts the shadow of doubt squarely on him.

I agree about Barbosa. He was super reckless with that undercut and too me, your just as much to blame if you play reckless/stupid and can't control yourself and you end up hurting someone.

Barbosa's duck under was just re ed. I'd believe he didn't mean ill intent, but come on, you duck under someone falling backward in mid air? That could seriously hurt someone.

Same thing with Juwan Howard pretending to contest DA's shot when he knew he couldn't get up that high so he just body slammed him. Whether he meant to or not, that is just too stupid of a play to be completely innocent of hurting the other player.

To me an accident is like Okur falling on Dee Brown. That wasn't really avoidable, just happened on accident by no ones fault or negligence.

[mardigan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CplMELbi7o
I also always think its funny that Sun fans also think that this was an elbow. Rajas a little

[sunsbum]

Rajas a dirty player no matter how many excuses you make for him

raja is an angel compared to your boy bowen...raja doesnt try to end peoples careers.

[PhxDog]

I've called out Bowen for being dirty before. For example, I think he knew what he was doing when Steve Francis landed on his foot.

But I just don't see it in this play. I don't think Bowen would risk his livelihood on something as dumb as a kick to the back of the leg. That doesn't make any sense.

You really feel that Bowen perceived risk there?

My sense is that he did what he did, when he did it precisely because he assumed there would be no chance he would be called to account for it. And because he's a sore loser, of course.

[sunsbum]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CplMELbi7o
I also always think its funny that Sun fans also think that this was an elbow. Rajas a little

let me dig something up for you sherlock...gimme a few minutes.

[coachmac87]

Ummm...the Spurs traded the pick to the Suns before it was made, but didn't get the paperwork or approval or whatever done in time, so the Spurs picked the Sun's choice. The Suns wanted him and the Spurs didn't want the guaranteed salary of a first rounder. That's old news...I'm not looking it up, but if you're that wound up about it Google "Barbosa 2003 draft Spurs Suns" and you should be able to find it.

ya that wasnt the point...he said that dantoni was the scout who scouted him for the spurs or sumthin

[samikeyp]

the point is, raja reacted. bowen is doing that crap for s and giggles and to obviously take players out of the game..

another example is raja punching that kid in the . its not like hes planning to do something like that, its a reaction.. bowen is intentionally trying to hurt someone for no apparent reason.

The point is...a man and smart player cares more about winning than retaliation.

So Raja Bell has never ever once done anything dirty?

Just because you don't plan something, doesn't make it not dirty...in fact most of the dirty shots you see are heat of the moment.

If you seriously believe Bruce Bowen sits before a game and plans "Hmm...I think I will go after Amare's knee tonight" then you are an ignorant fool.

Is Bruce completely innocent? Not at all. He has pulled some that would get his ass kicked in a lot of neighborhoods. But you are calling Spurs fans homers for not acknowledging Bruce's shady behavior, then you turn around and do THE EXACT SAME THING when referring to Raja Bell.

[Durruti]

It's blatantly obvious the move is intentional. You can even see him look down for a second before he sweeps the leg just to make sure he makes contact.

He also pulled his classic "undercut" to Nash at some point in the game (sorry, don't know the exact time) but thankfully his foot landed on Nash's and not vice versa.

This guy should be booted from the NBA. There is NO EXCUSE for trying to injure other players. And he does this ALL THE TIME.

[sunsbum]

I don't think Bowen was trying to kick Amare on this play either. That wouldn't really serve any purpose other than a kick to his lower leg or shoe so maybe it stings, but no ankle sprain, etc. It does look like he awkwardly stepped to where his foot was very close to where Amare would land.

I'd like to see the play from different angles and with better definition. But, as the laundry list continues to pile, I've decided Bowenn is just a dirty player. The bad part about the reputation is in cases like this one where he may have actually been innocent, it puts the shadow of doubt squarely on him.

I agree about Barbosa. He was super reckless with that undercut and too me, your just as much to blame if you play reckless/stupid and can't control yourself and you end up hurting someone.

Barbosa's duck under was just re ed. I'd believe he didn't mean ill intent, but come on, you duck under someone falling backward in mid air? That could seriously hurt someone.

Same thing with Juwan Howard pretending to contest DA's shot when he knew he couldn't get up that high so he just body slammed him. Whether he meant to or not, that is just too stupid of a play to be completely innocent of hurting the other player.

To me an accident is like Okur falling on Dee Brown. That wasn't really avoidable, just happened on accident by no ones fault or negligence.

barbosa is the sweetest kid you will ever meet, there isnt a bad bone in his body and he would absolutley never try to do anything to harm anyone.

[samikeyp]

This guy should be booted from the NBA. There is NO EXCUSE for trying to injure other players. And he does this ALL THE TIME.

and if it was Raja Bell...he would have "slipped".

[coachmac87]

It's blatantly obvious the move is intentional. You can even see him look down for a second before he sweeps the leg just to make sure he makes contact.

He also pulled his classic "undercut" to Nash at some point in the game (sorry, don't know the exact time) but thankfully his foot landed on Nash's and not vice versa.

This guy should be booted from the NBA. There is NO EXCUSE for trying to injure other players. And he does this ALL THE TIME.

jason terry should never play in the league agian either for punching a man in his babymaker

[nkdlunch]

barbosa is the sweetest kid you will ever meet, there isnt a bad bone in his body and he would absolutley never try to do anything to harm anyone.

same goes for Manu + Bowen

[samikeyp]

barbosa is the sweetest kid you will ever meet, there isnt a bad bone in his body and he would absolutley never try to do anything to harm anyone.

and you know him personally so you can say this with 100% certainty.

If so..that's pretty cool.

[kris]

barbosa is the sweetest kid you will ever meet, there isnt a bad bone in his body and he would absolutley never try to do anything to harm anyone.

Didn't say he would on purpose. But that's no excuse for being stupid and hurting someone.

[coachmac87]

barbosa couldnt tell u he was a nice guy in english even if he wanted to

[samikeyp]

same goes for Manu + Bowen

Very true...all that work Bowen does with kids and education...Damn he's the Devil!

[mardigan]

It's blatantly obvious the move is intentional. You can even see him look down for a second before he sweeps the leg just to make sure he makes contact.

He also pulled his classic "undercut" to Nash at some point in the game (sorry, don't know the exact time) but thankfully his foot landed on Nash's and not vice versa.

This guy should be booted from the NBA. There is NO EXCUSE for trying to injure other players. And he does this ALL THE TIME.

Once again, just because you like to state your dumbass opinion like its fact doesnt make it so. I personally dont ever see Bowen look down, dont ever see him make contact, so I dont care what you think. I thought this "wasnt even the play", according to you in the other thread

[sunsbum]

The point is...a man and smart player cares more about winning than retaliation.

So Raja Bell has never ever once done anything dirty?

Just because you don't plan something, doesn't make it not dirty...in fact most of the dirty shots you see are heat of the moment.

If you seriously believe Bruce Bowen sits before a game and plans "Hmm...I think I will go after Amare's knee tonight" then you are an ignorant fool.

Is Bruce completely innocent? Not at all. He has pulled some that would get his ass kicked in a lot of neighborhoods. But you are calling Spurs fans homers for not acknowledging Bruce's shady behavior, then you turn around and do THE EXACT SAME THING when referring to Raja Bell.

so i guess you would call jordan and kobe dirty players because theyve thrown punches too right?

there is a huge difference between shady/dirty (bowen) and someone just straight up clocking a guy.

[dbreiden83080]

LOL well now, i am guessing his teamates are not too pleased that he just gave the Spurs about 15 pages of bulletin board material for the rest of the series.

[Durruti]

Some of Bowen's greatest "hits".

Ray Allen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLgHeeOZJFI

Anthony Parker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGQMubkHKPE

Wally Szcerbiac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAakQjpFibg

Jamaal Crawford and Steve Francis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drPQkEsM8uM

And most recently, Amare.

The thing that makes Bowen different from all of the other "dirty players" in the NBA is that he consistently tries to cause CAREER-THREATENING injuries to other players. We're not talking about a fist fight or a hard foul or pushing someone out of bounds. We're talking about the lowest of the low.

[kris]

Amare's argument does lose some credibility for calling Manu out for purposely trying to knee him on the groin. I remember the play he was talking about and they showed the replays and it looks like he got kneed because Manu drove with his leg up (like regularly) and Staudimire jumped into Manu's space trying for the block.

[Durruti]

LOL well now, i am guessing his teamates are not too pleased that he just gave the Spurs about 15 pages of bulletin board material for the rest of the series.

I think you have it backwards. Suns will be mighty pissed that Bowen tried to injure STAT.

[coachmac87]

LOL well now, i am guessing his teamates are not too pleased that he just gave the Spurs about 15 pages of bulletin board material for the rest of the series.

this happens every year with bowen...not bulletin board material....and i dont think the spurs are getting crunk around the chalkboard reading what amare said about them...

[samikeyp]

so i guess you would call jordan and kobe dirty players because theyve thrown punches too right?

there is a huge difference between shady/dirty (bowen) and someone just straight up clocking a guy.

No I would call those actions classless. I would again attribute those to heat of the moment. There is a difference between a pattern of behavior and a once in a while occurence (sp?) my point is they are both wrong and those who do it are wrong for doing it.

[samikeyp]

Stat?