They did? What series were you watching? That was Nazr (most of the time) that Amare was lighting up. That's not to say that Duncan would shutdown Amare, but let's get our facts straight. Tim guarded QRich in that series.
Well if were talking about coaching its a lost cause, D'Antoni is a coach but one that had entrenched himself there. And if that is their coach, they might as well bring in a player who is at least the equal of Amare on offense, but much, much superior on defense. If they are going to keep their scheme, at least they could upgrade the defenders on the team, , look how much of a difference even Kurt Thomas made on the defensive end
And the Suns have no answer for Dirk
Marion does a pretty good job on Dirk.
With a fully-loaded Suns team, the Mavs would not win. I'm convinced of that. You have to be a special defensive team to beat the Suns at full strength, which is why the Spurs have been the team to do it over recent years.
You must have watched a different series than I did, because I saw Tim Duncan guarding Amare Stoudemire, and Tony Parker on QRich.
At least in crunch time.
Tim spent some time on Amare and Parker spent some time on Richardson, but for most of the series, when the Suns went:
Amare
Marion
Richardson
Jackson/Johnson
Nash
The Spurs countered with:
Amare <--- Nazr
Marion <--- Bowen
Richardson <--- Duncan
Jackson/Johnson <--- Manu
Nash <--- Parker
This was one of the smarter defensive line-ups ever put together by Pop for a few reasons. First, it completely took out 1 of the Suns' big 3 - because Bowen owned Marion as much as a so-called 'star' can be owned by another player defensively. Second, since Richardson seemed perfectly content just chucking up jumpers, Timmy didn't have to worry about him driving past him, which saved his ankles, and allowed him to stay out of foul trouble against Amare. And Parker never got embarrassed by Nash.
Now, clearly there were stretches where Duncan did match-up with Amare and the perimeter match-ups could be mixed and matched almost any way you see fit, but Tim's primary one-on-one defensive match-up was QRich.
KG to Chicago, now that's a deal that makes sense for both teams. If Paxson has even half a brain he would do that trade and quit being a pussy.
Why don't you look up what Kwame did in the series against the Suns before you try to make a mad claim like that. He had one freakin game he scored 19 point and that was in 36 min. Every other game he didn't even reach double figures.
Lets compare the two and you tell me who was the teacher and who was the scholar.
Game 1
Kwame
29 mins, 2-6 shooting, 7 boards, 1 ast, 3 fouls, and 4 pts
Amare
42 Mins, 9-16 shooting, 5-6 FT, 12 boards, 1 asst,2 steals, 2 blocks, 3 fouls, 23 pts
Game 2
Kwame
18 mins. 3-6 shooting 1-2 FT 4 boards 1 blk 4 fouls 7 pts
Amare
24 Mins, 9-13 shooting, 2-4 FT, 9 boards, 1 steal, 4 blocks, 4 fouls, 20 pts
Game3
Kwame
36 mins 8-14 shooting, 3-5 FT, 6 boards, 2 blks, 1 foul, 19pts
Amare
31 mins, 11-17 shooting, 2-2 FT, 0-2 3pts, 10boards, 3 asst, 2 blocks, 4 fouls, 24 pts
Game 4
Kwame
29 mins, 4-6 shooting, 1-1 FT, 4 boards, 1 blk, 5 fouls, 9 points
Amare
42 mins, 10-20 shooting, 7-10 FT, 21 boards, 2 steals, 1 block, 4 fouls, 27 pts
Game 5
Kwame
21 mins, 2-4 shooting, 1 FT, 7 boards, 1 steal, 3 fouls, 4 points
Amare
37 mins, 6-16 shooting, 15-21 FT, 16 boards, 1 asst, 2 steals, 5 fouls, 27 pts
But of course since it is Amare and he is hated by most Spurs fans, if not all, he got schooled by a chump like Kwame Brown and can't play a lick of D. OK. While he isn't an all-nba defender he is not the sieve in the middle that you spurs fans make him out to be.
Nazr only averaged around 20 minutes a game in that series. Horry got the bulk of the minutes, increasingly so as the series progressed.
Nice, the one game Kwame got more than 6 shots he had a good game against AMare. Amare is a defender, sorry bro
While I applaud your efforts I am confused as to how what you posted relates to my post you quoted regarding Amare having a ty at ude.He would rather pubescently blame the powers that be for punishing him than accept responsibility for his actions like an adult and move on? Yes, Amare, the league is just out to screw you. No one else.
He constantly whined (even recently) about how he would have made a difference in a past event and in the meantime completely blew his opportunity to make a difference in the very next game that he played in, with a short-handed opponent?
He still doesn't play a damn bit of defense? And it hasn't improved much at all since the last time the Spurs blew the Suns away?
He overexerts himself on the offensive end with "thunderous dunks" when a lay in or an easy 2 handed jam would service just fine?
http://www.nba.com/suns/news/qa_stoudemire.html
Just read this interview. I mean, WOW, redundant. It's so... I mean, just, wow, redundant! I mean, he says stuff and then he rephrases them EXACTLY THE SAME WAY and states them again!
Here are some classic gems:
Question: Are you ready to handle going from a high schooler to a millionaire?
Stoudemire: I understand what’s ahead of me, which is more business. I have to accept the challenge. It was my decision, so now I’ve got to step up to it.
LOL. Yeah, being a millionaire, that's really tough.
Question: Is there a player you’ve patterned your game after?
Stoudemire: Shawn Kemp was the player that I grew up watching, when he was with the SuperSonics. And after that it was it was just Shaq. Both of them are dominating dunkers. They dunk so hard and I tried to pattern my game after them.
Ahhh, how times have changed. Wait.... a minute..... nevermind.
Question: How would you describe your game?
Stoudemire: I would describe my game as powerful, a dunker, hard worker. But now I’m trying to add a little more to that. I’m trying to add a little perimeter game, ball handling, jump shots. Hard work pays off.
Never mentions defense ONCE in the article.
And Suns fans everywhere think he'll just pick it up as he goes along.
Go back to your hole that is known as Cleveland. Nash is a defender, Boris Diaw is a defender. amare is not a great defender but he is by no means a defender. Now Cleveland, on the other hand is just a team, with a mega super star, that plays in a conference, got lucky to make it to the final and then got their ass handed to em by a far superior team. At least the Suns made it interesting and actually one a few games against the Spurs. Amare would school anyone on your ty Cavs team except Lebron and thats all you guys have. Worthless city, worthless team, worthless poster.
If by intresting you mean laughable, pathetic, and no balls, I completely agree. And Amare is a defender.
The rest of your post I agree with
If by intresting you mean laughable, pathetic, and no balls, I completely agree. And Amare is a defender.
The rest of your post I agree with
Whatever. You obviously didn't watch the series or are just blind and ignorant or all of the above. Even though the Suns lost it was a great series. I would safely assume that even most Spurs fans, intelligent ones, would admit it was an interesting hard fought series by both teams. San Antonio is just by far the better team and has owned us. To say it was laughable, pathetic, and no balls is just plain ignorant and holds no truth.
But if you deem our series as though things I would love to hear your take on the finals matchup. Yeah that was really interesting and compe ive.
If the Suns could trade D'Antoni for a set of "Defense for Dummies" DVDs they'd be the odds on favorites for a le with their current roster. On paper it would look like a blockbuster trade but it's really just rearranging deck chairs while the captain plots a course straight into another iceberg.
Mavs have eliminated the Suns in a 7 game series WITH AMARE? I must have missed that series than. I do know Suns beat Dallas with Amare, but you'll make excuses saying that was Avery's first year but Amare being out all of last year isnt legit.
BTW,I still don´t know why the suns haven´t gone after any spurs as.coach to get better on D.(read P.J)
I don't understand the issue with trading Marion. One main reason Minnesota was involved with Boston was for CAP space. OK, let's say a pissy Marion opts out. Wallah! Instantly 16 million is off the books!
Let's say the package is Marion/Diaw/#29/2008 Atl 1st. That's a player who'll excite and contend for an All-Star appearance in Marion, a young player who could excel with minutes and touches in Diaw, a 1st this year and a potential/likely lottery pick next year.
I'm not seeing why this is a bad thing? Worst case scenerio, depending on who's viewing, has Marion staying two years, a young Diaw at PF for five, a quality 1st (because of the depth of this draft) and a potential top-8 pick next year OR Marion opts out at year's end, Diaw mans the PF spot for five years, they still get an additional 1st this draft, plus a likely lottery pick next year.
Neither "worst case" scenerio is terrible. Marion is exciting and will fill up the stat sheet, Diaw has potential, and with minutes, his 9-per year deal isn't that bad, and two picks for the trouble of trading a player who could walk at year's end.
I'm not seeing much of a downside.
I know it's not Amare. The wolves are in no position to demand him, however. They are the one's who employ the disgruntled star. Said star is the one a season away from potentially walking for nothing to play for a contender.
Suns aren't going to be bent over by this. They'll either get Garnett on their terms, probably the above trade, or they'll pass and make another run of things...HOPEFULLY!
There are teams out there that can put together better deals than the Suns can to get KG. Amare is not something i would want given his knee problems and there is nothing else the Suns have that warrants getting Garnett.
I misunderstood what you were saying about Finley, but it makes sense. The only thing is that Amare/Banks would probably be rejected by the Wolves - I'm thinking Amare/Thomas would be a better fit.
Even so - 90% Sarver doesn't want to take the 10+ Million $ luxury tax hit to do this deal.
What is interesting is if KG opts out after next season and if so where he lands.
KG ain't winding up in Phoenix, period.
Amare could be better than KG in 1-2 years. Do they trade that for a 30-year-old PF who has played since he was 18 and never been able to take his team to the NBA Finals, despite being one of the best players in the NBA?
It sounds tempting, but this smells like a lateral move that might come back to bite the Suns in the ass in 3-4 years when Amare is still tearing it up and Nash and KG are DONE.
It is not likely the Suns have a lot of big contracts that need to be moved in order to get KG and that is the hardest thing to do in the NBA given the nature of the cap. Marion's contract is the hardest one because he can opt out after next year which gives him say over where he goes only making things harder for the Suns to get KG. These big trades happen very rarely in the NBA.
I don't buy this at all.Amare could be better than KG in 1-2 years. Do they trade that for a 30-year-old PF who has played since he was 18 and never been able to take his team to the NBA Finals, despite being one of the best players in the NBA?
It sounds tempting, but this smells like a lateral move that might come back to bite the Suns in the ass in 3-4 years when Amare is still tearing it up and Nash and KG are DONE.
Your first premise is that Amare will still be "tearing it up" in 3-4 years. This guy lives off of his legs, not his skills, and those legs have taken a big beating so far. Amare missed an entire season with a microfracture surgery, and unless he changes/expands his game, there will be more of that.
Garnett, while he has definitely spent some time up above the rim, is a skilled player. The only thing he doesn't do as well as Stoudamire is score inside, though he likely could do that if he didn't pass and shoot from the outside as well as he does.
Garnett is in great physical condition, he's a smart basketball player with every skill there is, and he plays defense. Garnett may be six years older, but judging on what I've seen, Amare is a much better bet for the glue factory in four years than Garnett is.
Second, you're going to criticize Garnett for not going to the Finals in twelve seasons even though you know good and well he's been surrounded by garbage most of that time? The one year he had good help (not great) around him, Minny won 57 games and advanced to the WCF. Amare's been on a loaded team in 05 and 07 and he couldn't get any futher than Garnett did.
I think many on the pro-Amare side are a little too impressed with his dunks, because Garnett is better than Amare at literally everything else.
Excellent post. And the two things that Garnett does best (defense and rebounding) are our two biggest weakness. Not to mention he isn't lazy and selfish. Bring him in.
Amare is the next Kenyon Martin. Book it.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote