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So my plan is valid then.
Perhaps that plan is re-evaluated this offseason.
So my plan is valid then.
What is your "plan"?
You were the one who tried to discount it by saying "sound like the Spurs?"
Go back and try to understand the words this time.
Did you just make my argument for me?
Yes, just like the Spurs replaced Rasho and Nazr with Oberto and Elson, so they can replace Oberto and Elson with Butler/Brown or Butler/Scola or any number of combinations...
If you're referring to who Rasho replaced, I'd say that Robinson was more than just a role player...even at the end.
C'mon bro.
My "plan" is to try and upgrade the center position, not stand pat.
ok, I just red the article,it sais that Oberto is staying with the spurs eventhough he may have an offert from the suns.
It also sais that Scola has less chances to play with the spurs tham years before.
So, I really don´t know who´s lying and who is telling the true to the media.
Sorry Args, if the Spurs think Oberto is overpaid and he's a valuable guy in their system, I don't think it makes him an attractive trade option.
Yes it's true that savvy veteran F/C don't grow on trees, but ones with negative athleticism and questionable talent don't usually make the cheese...
Case in point...Eric Snow costs $5M/year and he isn't getting traded anywhere, because his savvy veteran ass is getting paid too much.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b....14230e05.html
Oberto opts out of his final year with the Spurs
Web Posted: 06/25/2007 06:04 PM CDT
Mike Monroe
Express-News
If the Spurs are to return the lineup that started every game of The 2007 Western Conference Finals and The Finals, they will have to negotiate a new contract for center Fabricio Oberto.
After a strong playoff run in which he was the team’s most accurate post-season shooter and its No. 3 rebounder, Oberto informed the Spurs on Monday he has decided to opt out of the final year of the three-year contract he signed before the 2005-06 season.
Oberto made $2.5 million last season. He could have returned next season for the same amount had he chosen to do so. Instead, he will become a restricted free agent on July 1.
While there is certain to be interest in Oberto from other teams, both in the NBA and overseas, he wants to remain in San Antonio.
“Fabricio had the right to pick up the third year of his contract,” said Herb Rudoy, Oberto’s agent. “What he really did was decide not to opt in, but it is absolutely with the hope and intention of staying in San Antonio and winning more championships.”
Rudoy said Oberto wants to remain a Spur beyond next season. He is confident Spurs’ heach coach and executive-vice president of basketball operations Gregg Popovich and general manager R.C. Buford fell just as strongly about keeping Oberto in San Antonio.
“He has no intention of going anywhere else,” said the Chicago-based agent, who also represents Oberto’s Argentine teammate, Manu Ginobili. “That’s why he did it. The whole purpose of this is to get a new contract. They recognize his contribution. R.C. and Pop are smart guys and they know he fits like a glove with the whole system and the way he plays.
“The plan is for me to negotiate a deal at the appropriate time with R.C. and have him stay there.”
Buford said the club “will do everything we can” to make certain Oberto remains a Spur.
“I think everybody here appreciates what Fab brings,” Buford said. “We understand his importance to our team, to our organization and in our locker room.”
Oberto signed with the Spurs on Aug. 2, 2005, becoming a 30-year-old NBA rookie after 12 seasons as a professional in Argentina, Greece and Spain. He spent his first season adapting to the NBA and learning the Spurs’ systems, playing in only 59 of 82 games and averaging only 1.7 points.
He returned for the 2006-07 season as the team’s opening night starting center. In the fifth game of the season set an all-time club record for field goal accuracy by making 11 of 11 shots in a victory over the Phoenix Suns. He averaged 5.0 points and 4.8 rebounds in 80 regular season games.
Francisco Elson, signed as a free agent last summer, replaced Oberto in the starting lineup midway through the season. Oberto adapted easily to coming off the bench and remained a regular member of the playing rotation.
When the playoffs arrived, Oberto’s role increased significantly. He returned to the starting lineup for Game 4 of the Spurs’ Western Conference semifinal series against Phoenix. He started the final 12 games of the team’s run to the 2007 NBA le and averaged 5.1 points and 4.9 rebounds in the 20 games it took the Spurs to win their fourth le.
Upgrade over Oberto? If so, with what money?
Oberto isn't great but I don't see a replacement that isn't going to cost twice as much.
Eh, I understood. Now try to explain how the Spurs are going to pull a better center when they presumably won't pay Oberto.
Sounds like the to be expected posturing on both sides. We'll see what happens when teams can start talking to free agents.
That's why I said trade. If the Spurs aren't willing to pay for an expensive center past next year, then they aren't going to pay for Oberto either and all of our posturing is moot.Upgrade over Oberto? If so, with what money?
Nobody says "the true"
So now they won't pay Oberto? Make up your mind.
i respect what oberto did for the team in the playoffs, but he ain't worth more then a 2 year deal, he's to damn old and way to damn slow, this year, the cards fell down perfect for us, he was worthless against the suns and he would've been worthless against the mavs, he did good against the jazz cause boozer can't defend for and okur sucks ass........ he was decent against the cavs, his best game was game 4 but he wasn't the reason we won that series
so some are overrating oberto's worth cause we played the jazz in the western conference finals......... if he walks it won't be as big a blow as ppl are gonna make it seem, butler with more mins will be just fine, and elson now with a year under his belt will do good too...... plus we got other options if need be
Eh, I typed "presumably". Just following your line of reasoning.
It would be your classic Spurs move to let Oberto walk, replace him in the starting lineup with Elson and replace Elson's spot off the bench with Butler, Bonner, Scola, Mahinmi or whoever.
That's how the Spurs operate, especially before a summer in which they can open up cap space.
Will it be different this year? I guess we'll see.
Is Oberto better than we think Butler could be?
I don't know, but I'd ship em all out for someone who could defend, rebound and block with any consistency. The impossible dream.
Window will be 2008 if Duncan looks around doesn't like what he sees or what Spurs can add and opts out.
Then why let Oberto walk? Better to show a commitment to winning now than worrying about tomorrow.
Also, if TD was going to leave it was back when it looked like he wouldn't have a 2nd star past 2001.
To me, Oberto's most vital attribute is that Pop trusts him to close out games. Pop has only trusted five bigs in his history of coaching to close out games: Duncan, Robinson, Rose, Horry and now Oberto. With Horry retiring after next year, that'd put the Spurs in an ugly predicament if they couldn't replace Oberto with another guy Pop trusts.
It'd be the return of small ball
Then the Spurs will have to be willing to take back an unpleasant contract.
Legend has it that it was Duncan who asked Pop to replace Elson in the starting lineup with Oberto. . .
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