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I don't want to speak for T Park, but I'm pretty sure he was making a sarcastic remark to a previous poster. Certainly not something to joke about, though.
Always bet on black.
You lose.
I don't want to speak for T Park, but I'm pretty sure he was making a sarcastic remark to a previous poster. Certainly not something to joke about, though.
Dude, just stay out of conversations you're late to the party on.
His comment was addressed at ploto, who seems to think that Jack Hailey > Michael Jordan, due to skin pigmentation.
Hey- I wrote you a nice post about how sincerely I felt bad for you that Butler got traded when you had such hopes for him on the Spurs one year ago- and that I understood. I even offered to change my motto to I love Jackie Butler just for you.And no one enjoys it as much as you
You singlehandedly disprove that theory.
Man, that would ROCK. Udoka would fit in GREAT here. He's that athletic 3 we've been looking for, and he's a tough defender.
oh my god
we aren't getting anyone this summer are we
fire duncan
hire pops son to replace him
call the express news
the team is going awol
rofl
An all interesting discussion on "Blazer's Edge:a site by and for Blazer fans" about re-signing Ime Udoka or Travis Outlaw.
I hope it's not useless for ST as for today.
http://www.blazersedge.com/story/2007/7/2/3557/60690
At a point, they compare Udoka and Bowen:
"Bowen's a better defender than Udoka...
...you mean.
Udoka's a bit better on offense, though the difference between five and six points a game is nothing to write home about.
But Udoka is nowhere near Bowen's class as a defender. (Or Artest for that matter). Udoka gets lit up by anyone who can both jump and shoot, as he has no ability to bother the shot of larger athletic threes. And unlike Bowen, he doesn't compensate by sticking out his foot under jumpshooters (which is one way to deal with the problem--make the opponent afraid to shoot over you...) Udoka is fundamentally sound, hustles, and keeps his man in front of him most of the time, but he doesn't have the physical attributes to be a world-class defender.
On a scale of zero to ten, where 0 is Adam Morrison or Pete Maravich, 10 is a guy like Scottie Pippen or Michael Cooper in his prime, and five is an average NBA defender--Udoka is probably about a six. Bowen is probably about a nine, Artest about an eight.
However, at six, Udoka was still the best perimeter defender on the team last season. Roy finished the year at about 4-5, JJ was about 3-4 (he can't fight through picks and is routinely beaten by quicker guys), as was Freddie, and none of au/Sergio/Webster/Juan Dixon play anything remotely resembling acceptable defense.
Damn. I sound like Charley Rosen.
by EngineerScotty on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 03:48:41 PM EDT"
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Just an opinion. Arm length (height also) and lateral quickness are the key ingredients to being a good defensive player. Udoka has both, it would be nice if he were an inch or two taller but i certaintly think he could replace Bowen adequately - if we do sign him.
I noticed that the Blazers are pretty loaded at the PG position (Blake, Rodriguez, Jack, Green) right now. I wonder if the Spurs are trying get one of their PGs along with Udoka. The only problem is that I don't see any players outside of Barry that Portland might be interested in...
Udoka is an unrestricted free agent and Blazers can't even do a sign and trade with him.
Spurs won't get Udoka by doing a trade with Blazers.
There are situations where unrestricted FAs agree to sign and then be traded. A case in point: Rashard Lewis.
Worth a look into their PG situation. They basically have a college team there, i would think KP would be looking to add some veteran leadership/experience. Barry can provide that for a year and they also get an expiring contract at the end of it.
The major snag is the size of Barry's contract, none of the young PG's for the Blazers are making anywhere near what Barry is. Taureen Green is one worth going after to start of as the third string and eventually replace Vaughan as the back up. That would leave us set at PG
Udoka isn't in the same case than Lewis.
I've explained why Udoka can't be S&T to a $3M or $4M salary in a previous post :
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=239
Travis Outlaw would be perfect
Not that it is enough for the S&T anyway- but the reports I read all talk about Udoka making bi-annual exemption type money and no where near $4M per season. I am still at a loss that the Spurs would pay him twice that much, even if they do shed Barry's salary somehow. There does not seem to be a bidding war going on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ime_Udoka
3years 12mil?
AFAIK, Udoka getting LLE money is only a writer speculation.
9/3 is to me a fair contract for Udoka.
12/3 is overpaying for a 30 years old journeyman who has had one good year with a quite bad team but it's still way better than giving 27/6 to Carroll or 24/4 to Kapono.
Agree, I think if it's 12/3 the Spurs should have the option on the 3rd year
I thought he was listed as 6' 6".
Make this happen already please!
http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/yo...nts_udoka.html
great comments comparing him to Bruce Bowen
I could care less that he's from Portland. I could care less about his character. If he shows up to play and practice, that's all I ask for. That being said, the PO needs a Bruce Bowen-type piece for the team to play as a whole, someone who's not constantly looking for their shot, but will take it when needed. Plus, he can defend like Johnny Cochran and should come at a discount. He should start for three years until Outlaw is read to rep the 503. Rip City, Larson out.
Ime is certainly a good player for the right price. He's a solid defender and a player in the mold of a Bruce Bowen who knows his role and does it quietly and effectively. However, this shouldn't be a cue to break the bank to keep him. A two year deal at about 3 million per year sounds reasonable. Plus, being a role player on a bad team, I highly doubt anyone else will offer him more.
our Bruce Bowen enough said !!!!!!!!!!!
Worst case scenario? Ime would make a great 6th man. We asked this guy to match against the opponent's best player (typically someone taller or stronger than him), and he managed to shut most of them down. That's a skill we can always use. He's developed an accurate 3-point shot which aides in spreading the floor. Another skill we can always use. He's versatile. He can play the 2 or the 3. Again a skill this team can use. I hope Ime is a big part of this franchise. Is he the next Bruce Bowen? I don't know if I'd go that far, but he's exactly the type of guy Nate needs coming off of the bench next year to solidify his 2nd unit.
Udoka is the Bruce Bowen of the Blazers. He is a must keep. Check out their stats side by side for the 06-07 season. Eerily similar but Udoka could be the better player here. Bowen Udoka 30 min per gm 28.4 min per gm 40.5% FG 46.1 FG 38.4% 3PT 40.6 3PT 58.9% FT 74.2 FT 2.7 RB 3.7 RB 1.4 AST 1.5 AST 0.8 TO 1.0 TO 0.8 ST 1.0 ST There's a slim chance another team will offer him a longer contract with more money. If we have to get rid of a player, I hope that player is Martell Webster. That kid has no hope.
Ime isn't a long-term solution at SF, but he is the team's best perimeter defender and he brings a sense of stability to the lineup. I do think Outlaw and Webster have more upside, and they can probably find someone in the draft with even more, but none of them are going to provide what Ime provides NOW. So lets sign Ime for a 2-3 year contract. He can contribute similar to Raja Bell in Phoenix or Bruce Bowen in SA. By the time his contract ends, he'll be 33, and at least one of the youngsters will have developed by then.
Last edited by spurs4real; 07-15-2007 at 02:13 PM.
I read it from more than one writer- and there seems to be no reason for the Spurs to overpay him. Why doesn't he do like Bruce did- take the minimum to get to the Spurs?
Probably will be 3/yr $12M. $4M a year is pushing it for this kind of player, but he will improve the team.
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