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    At this point you have to say he's the best player from that draft, but the NFL Draft is such a crapshoot and I don't think you can say with certainty that the Texans made a mistake until next year or later.

    And recall that last year before the draft, Reggie Bush was the no-brainer #1. Vince was only discussed in passing, and it usually involved where he would be picked relative to Leinert. I don't remember any serious discussions about Young going #1 until later in the season when his good start (and the final confirmation that Carr sucked) lead people to believe the Texans made a mistake in not drafting Young. Until that point, the mistake was not drafting Bush.

    Anyway, I don't mean to imply Vince Young is a disappointment. I just think the NFL Draft is such a crapshoot sometimes that it takes an incredibly special player to be able to say ANY team, regardless of need, should take that player with the number one overall pick. And again, in May, 2006... that player was Bush, not Young.

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    At this point you have to say he's the best player from that draft, but the NFL Draft is such a crapshoot and I don't think you can say with certainty that the Texans made a mistake until next year or later.

    And recall that last year before the draft, Reggie Bush was the no-brainer #1. Vince was only discussed in passing, and it usually involved where he would be picked relative to Leinert. I don't remember any serious discussions about Young going #1 until later in the season when his good start (and the final confirmation that Carr sucked) lead people to believe the Texans made a mistake.

    Anyway, I don't mean to imply Vince Young is a disappointment. I just think the NFL Draft is such a crapshoot sometimes that it takes an incredibly special player to be able to say ANY team, regardless of need, should take that player with the number one overall pick. And again, in May, 2006... that player was Bush, not Young.

    Then there is the issue of whether or not the Texans made a mistake in passing on Vince, considering that they were able to pick up Schaub and that Williams is looking rather solid this season playing injury free. I'd say Williams + Schaub could very well end up being a better scenario for the team than Vince + two 2nd round picks.

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    Then there is the issue of whether or not the Texans made a mistake in passing on Vince, considering that they were able to pick up Schaub and that Williams is looking rather solid this season playing injury free. I'd say Williams + Schaub could very well end up being a better scenario for the team than Vince + two 2nd round picks.

    Wow, homerism at its best! I though I was a pretty big homer, but you take the cake with that statement.

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    Then there is the issue of whether or not the Texans made a mistake in passing on Vince, considering that they were able to pick up Schaub and that Williams is looking rather solid this season playing injury free. I'd say Williams + Schaub could very well end up being a better scenario for the team than Vince + two 2nd round picks.

    Well one thing people may fail to recognize is that we drafted Williams in hopes that he would be a really good DE and put pressure on the Peyton!! After all Peyton controls the AFC South and should for the next years.

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    Wow, homerism at its best! I though I was a pretty big homer, but you take the cake with that statement.

    LOL and thats saying a lot!!

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    Wow, homerism at its best! I though I was a pretty big homer, but you take the cake with that statement.
    OK, the Texans suck, Schaub sucks, Williams sucks and the Cowboys are awesome!!!!111

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    Well one thing people may fail to recognize is that we drafted Williams in hopes that he would be a really good DE and put pressure on the Peyton!! After all Peyton controls the AFC South and should for the next years.
    So either the Texans take a good shot at having a solid defense and offense with Schaub/Williams or pin all of their hopes on VY bailing them out week after week. The answer to the question of what is preferable is not clear as of now.

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    So either the Texans take a good shot at having a solid defense and offense with Schaub/Williams or pin all of their hopes on VY bailing them out week after week. The answer to the question of what is preferable is not clear as of now.

    Well like they say Def wins championships, only time will tell what the master plan in Houston is.

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    Well one thing people may fail to recognize is that we drafted Williams in hopes that he would be a really good DE and put pressure on the Peyton!! After all Peyton controls the AFC South and should for the next years.
    That was a dumb reason why the Texans drafted mario.


    VY has had success against the Colts.

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    or pin all of their hopes on VY bailing them out week after week.

    Seems to work quite a bit. Came up a dropped pass short yesterday against the world champs.

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    Seems to work quite a bit. Came up a dropped pass short yesterday against the world champs.
    You don't win consistently in this league without a decent defense.

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    You don't win consistently in this league without a decent defense.

    That is true, but you also need a playmaker like VY to put a team on his shoulders and get the W.

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    That is true, but you also need a playmaker like VY to put a team on his shoulders and get the W.

    Or Trent Dilfer.

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    either one.

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    That is true, but you also need a playmaker like VY to put a team on his shoulders and get the W.

    Or you could have a little less mobile QB who still makes good decisions and can get the ball downfield while you invested that #1 in your D line.

    Again, I don't see VY as being the preferable choice for the Texans now that they were able to land a solid starting QB.

    The way it was a horrible decision is if you name your team the "Texans" so you can angle for a statewide following and then pass on a chance to draft the most popular QB in Central Texas history.

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    Here is another good article

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

    To explain Texans' 2-0 record, start with talent level
    By KRISTIE RIEKEN, AP Sports Writer
    September 19, 2007

    HOUSTON (AP) -- There's a simple reason why the Houston Texans are finally winning after five years of futility.

    "We have better players," cornerback Dunta Robinson said. "That's got a lot to do with it."

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    There's certainly more to Houston's 2-0 start than that, but Robinson hit on a key difference in this year's Texans: They have more talent than ever before.

    The Texans feel like they upgraded at quarterback with the addition of Matt Schaub and signed four-time Pro Bowler Ahman Green. Houston's defense is more talented with rookie defensive tackle Amobi Okoye and linebacker Danny Clark.

    The development of that group has been helped by the improvement of last year's top overall pick Mario Williams and the continued strong play of 2006 Defensive Rookie of the Year DeMeco Ryans.

    There's also a new at ude around Houston that Robinson said comes from second year coach Gary Kubiak.

    "Kubiak, he's just so excited and it makes us excited to play and he believes in us," said Robinson, a first-round draft pick in 2004. "His confidence is really high and he believes in us and it makes us go out there and be confident."

    Kubiak, the longtime Denver offensive coordinator, took over in Houston after the team posted a franchise-worst 2-14 record in 2005. Under his leadership, the Texans, who have never had a winning record, tripled their win total last season. They've won their last four games, dating back to last season.

    Andre Johnson said he thinks the mind-set of the team began to change after last year's 27-24 Christmas Eve win over the Colts. He said the team had a newfound confidence after that game and has used that momentum to start strong this season.

    "Guys expect more from each other," Johnson said. "Guys demand more from each other. Guys want to win. So when you have all those things, guys don't want to be in the same situation we were in the past. Guys want change. When you have that, guys are doing whatever they have to do to win games."

    Another catalyst for the upswing in Houston has been the leadership of Schaub, the former backup to Michael Vick who had started just two games before this season. He's completed 72 percent of his passes and has already thrown three touchdowns.

    The Texans credited their ability to rebound from a 14-point deficit for the win over Carolina to Schaub's poise.

    "He's been great," Johnson said. "We were down 14-0 and we didn't panic and I think a lot of that comes from our quarterback. He's our leader and to see him out there not panicking ... and it rubs off on everybody else."

    The Texans have also been aided by the improvement of the offensive line where the only change this season is moving Steve McKinney to center in place of Mike Flanagan. The group was named the team's offensive players of the week for not allowing a sack against Carolina.

    The group has been helped by Schaub's ability to avoid the rush and get rid of the ball quickly. But for a unit that allowed David Carr to be sacked 249 times in five seasons, allowing two sacks through two games is a positive sign.

    Kubiak couldn't point to one reason for his team's early success, but rather the effort of the group.

    "I just think our football team's playing well together," he said. "Everybody's playing hard, everybody's pitching in, being very unselfish and that's the way we have to play to be successful."

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    I am a diehard Cowboys fan but I do route for the Texan's also!!!

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    I am a diehard Cowboys fan but I do route for the Texan's also!!!

    do you mean root?

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    do you mean root?
    yep

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    I am a diehard Cowboys fan but I do route for the Texan's also!!!
    I'm a diehard Cowboys fand and I will never root (route) for the Texans (Texan's).

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    I'm a diehard Cowboys fand and I will never root (route) for the Texans (Texan's).

    we know

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    Didn't the Cowboys route the texans last year?

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    Sprained knee sidelines Andre Johnson for Sunday

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    Updated: September 19, 2007, 2:04 PM ET

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    HOUSTON -- Houston Texans receiver Andre Johnson ruled out playing against Indianapolis this week as he recovers from a knee sprain.

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    Asked Wednesday if there was any chance he could play against the Colts, Johnson said: "No. I mean as it looks right now, you look at me right now, no I wouldn't be out there on Sunday."

    The news is a major blow to a team that is 2-0 for the first time in franchise history and preparing to face a major AFC South foe. Rookie Jacoby Jones, who has two catches for 33 yards, will probably start in Johnson's place. Second receiver Kevin Walter has just two receptions for 17 yards.

    Johnson, who wore a large brace on his injured left knee Wednesday, said he is unsure of when he can return but didn't rule out next week's game.

    "I'm taking it day-by-day, week-by-week, and doing everything I can to strengthen my leg so I can be back," he said.

    An MRI Monday revealed no damage that would require surgery. Coach Gary Kubiak listed Johnson's official status for Sunday as doubtful.

    Johnson sprained his knee during the fourth quarter of the Texans 34-21 win over the Panthers on Sunday. He fell awkwardly on the knee after a 10-yard reception and remained on the turf for several minutes. He walked off the field on his own but was limping on the sideline.

    Johnson, who has missed just three games in his five-year career, said being on the sidelines Sunday will be difficult.

    "I'll probably be the team's biggest cheerleader," he said. "I'm going to go out and encourage these guys as much as I can."

    Johnson had seven catches for 120 yards and two touchdowns Sunday. His 262 yards receiving in the first two games rank fourth in the NFL.

    Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

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    We are so screwed, Jacoby is due but im afraid it wont happen this week. Only time will tell now!!

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    The only way we win is if we play turnover free ball, control the clock with green and dayne, and get at least 3 turnovers. Playing at home helps, but those 3 need to happen.

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