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    Great take.

    I'm sure that instead of AJ making the team practice during the lockout, the same effect would have happened if Rocket Rod took the team clubbing during the lockout. Because, you know, Rocket Rod was all about winning.

    Yeah all that AJ inspired practice had the Spurs rocketing out of the gates to start the season didn't it. Probably took Pop a few games to get things straightened out.

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    Well for one, the '82 Lakers hit two three pointers during their entire playoff run. The '83 76ers hit one three pointer in their entire playoff run. , even the '06 Heat only shot 32% on threes during the playoffs.
    Great...you've proven that teams with 3 HOF'ers apiece on them don't need threes...point conceded...now what that has to do with the 90's Spurs...I have no idea.



    Need further debunking or you are debunked enough?

    The Heat won because AJ choked...ala 99% of his Spurs career....that le belonged to us...but Pop threw the franchise under the bus for AJ...

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    True. When I think of Rod Strickland, I think of all that great playoff success the Spurs had with him.

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    I think it's a ing joke his jersey is retired, its true that he did hit a winning shot to win us a championship. But remember how he skipped town when he did not like the contract he was offered and went to Dallas, that little .

    I think the Spurs jersey retiring is now open to any so-so players, and that takes away any importance it used to have.

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    Cue timvp and Shoogar with the story about AJ going after young men in the shower as proof of his toughness...then telling me I am the guy with female tendencies.
    You're the one who still has his/her feeling hurts about a quote more than a half decade ago that has long been forgotten.

    But yeah, Shane Heal was plenty tough.

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    , even the '06 Heat only shot 32% on threes during the playoffs.

    Need further debunking or you are debunked enough?

    Two words...Antoine Walker.


    Subtract him and the Heat probably shot like 85% from 3 if they shot 32% with him.

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    You're the one who still has his/her feeling hurts about a quote more than a half decade ago that has long been forgotten.

    But yeah, Shane Heal was plenty tough.

    At least when Shane Heal picked a fight it was with Gary Payton and Charles Barkley...

    And not Steve Nash.


    Or a young boy in the shower.

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    But remember how he skipped town when he did not like the contract he was offered and went to Dallas, that little .
    Is that how you remember it?

    He went to the Nuggets when the Spurs didn't offer him a contract.

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    Don't let the truth stand in the way of a good AJ hate.

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    At least when Shane Heal picked a fight it was with Gary Payton and Charles Barkley...

    And not Steve Nash.
    So would the 1999 Spurs have won the championship with Shane Heal at point instead of Avery Johnson?

    Question.

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    So would the 1999 Spurs have won the championship with Shane Heal at point instead of Avery Johnson?

    Question.
    I want to see whottt tiptoe around this one.

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    I'm not a huge AJ fan. But some people are delusional about him.

    He was an average point guard, who worked his ass off and had a lot of heart.

    I don't care about the "clinching shot" or much other on the court stuff, but people should note that he's the Spurs all-time assist leader.

    Every player who played on the Spurs in 99 will tell you that he was the guts and the drive of that team. Give Elie his due, of course, but people in the organization will name AJ first.

    The Spurs organization respects him tremendously and he would probably be an assistant coach here, but Pop talked to him and they decided that Dallas would have better room for advancement.

    Every organization decides what their criteria is for retiring a jersey. Two years ago it was said by several people (Pop etc) that without a doubt AJ's number would be going up. It wasn't even a question within the organization.

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    It wasn't even a question within the organization.

    Yep...never a shred of doubt the Spurs were going to retire that jersey...not even when Pop was handing it to Manu(and mentioning it belonged to AJ as he was doing it).

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    I want to see whottt tiptoe around this one.
    Bump.

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    I want to see whottt tiptoe around this one.

    I'll give you that AJ was better than Shane Heal...happy now?



    Congrats...AJ's better than Shane Heal...a case for a retired jersey if ever there was one.

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    I want to see whottt tiptoe around this one.
    If whottt tries to tackle that I will give him mad props.



















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    I'll give you that AJ was better than Shane Heal...happy now?



    Congrats...AJ's better than Shane Heal...a case for a retired jersey if ever there was one.
    Oh man, that had to hurt. I could feel whottt's pain.

    I would ask if Coyote > AJ at point guard but that's too much to digest in one day.

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    I'll give you that AJ was better
    Sig worthy.

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    This is good. This is like doing the first few basic drills at the beginning of training camp.

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    You two fail to see the point, and you fail to see the cause of this argument...

    This argument is because of AJ's jersey retirement...my entire stance is because of AJ's jersey retirement.


    You don't see me claiming Brent Barry should have his jersey retired either.


    Edit: And I've conceded that if you are going on mascot appeal...AJ has a fairly legitimate case, provided he stifles his head side as he has been doing reecently....


    It's only when the words great and lead Spurs to a le start cropping up that the arguing starts.



    Seriously...

    If you lined up every longtime starting PG for this team in it's history, in their primes, and allowed NBA GM's from any other team to pick them...AJ would be the last guy taken.

    Parker, Silas, Strickland and Moore would all go ahead of him.
    Last edited by whottt; 10-02-2007 at 09:11 PM.

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    I'm not a huge AJ fan. I've only defended him every single time this topic has ever been discussed.

    Fixed

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    I would ask if Coyote > AJ at point guard but that's too much to digest in one day.

    Funny how you put that qualifier on there

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    I do think the ceremony awaiting us on December 22 has plenty of opportunities for unplanned awkwardness. Will Spurs fans in attendance actually boo AJ? (I won't). Will they give AJ a thunderous reception? (I will).

    Though I think the retirement thing has become watered down -- as illustrated in my earlier post on this subject -- I can certainly see that for several years now, AJ's honor has just been a matter of time. He certainly did have an impact on this franchise during his playing days and I think he should be well-received by Spurs fans in thanks for those efforts. Spurs fans, I'm guessing, will have a hard time forgetting the Mavericks thing, though, and I suspect there will either be a less-than-full house when the ceremony takes place, or that there will be some smattering of boos for AJ initially.

    On AJ's side, will he offer deep praise for the Spurs organization and get blasted by Mavs fans who are convinced that the Spurs are nothing but a bunch of cheating, classless thugs?

    The drama will be an interesting watch.

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    I do think the ceremony awaiting us on December 22 has plenty of opportunities for unplanned awkwardness. Will Spurs fans in attendance actually boo AJ? (I won't). Will they give AJ a thunderous reception? (I will).
    They won't boo him and they'll probably cheer...booing would be a pretty classless thing to do. Not to mention the fact that the people that most want to go to that night, are AJ fans.



    On AJ's side, will he offer deep praise for the Spurs organization and get blasted by Mavs fans who are convinced that the Spurs are nothing but a bunch of cheating, classless thugs?

    The drama will be an interesting watch.

    This will be the closest thing Mav Fan gets to winning a le...I doubt they'll be upset.

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    I'm not a huge AJ fan. But some people are delusional about him.

    He was an average point guard, who worked his ass off and had a lot of heart.

    I don't care about the "clinching shot" or much other on the court stuff, but people should note that he's the Spurs all-time assist leader.

    Every player who played on the Spurs in 99 will tell you that he was the guts and the drive of that team. Give Elie his due, of course, but people in the organization will name AJ first.

    The Spurs organization respects him tremendously and he would probably be an assistant coach here, but Pop talked to him and they decided that Dallas would have better room for advancement.

    Every organization decides what their criteria is for retiring a jersey. Two years ago it was said by several people (Pop etc) that without a doubt AJ's number would be going up. It wasn't even a question within the organization.
    tp will have more assist then aj when he is done

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